HAARP Is Out Of Control, You be the judge!!!

reply to post by Logistics


I agree, and until people allow themselves to look beyond this veil and empower themselves through self mastery, we will always be surrendering our God given powers to an increasingly growing Leviathan whose only apparent goal is profit and control. I am utterly amazed time and again of how many people openly choose to remain blinded to this.

Thanks for your post. I greatly appreciate it.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Nice. So, Jim Phelps, the inventor of HAARP is B.S. Yet, researchers go there to work with his invention whenever they are given the opportunity. That's excellent detective work Phage. You're on top of your game.

Please provide a source (other than Jim Phelps) that shows Jim Phelps is the inventor of HAARP.

[edit on 3/17/2010 by Phage]

What evidence would you need to see that you wouldn't attempt to debunk? If it was provided from the Wall Street journal, you would simply attack the source and claim that the author was a hack drunk that used used to sell crack to children. If it was from Fox News, you'd claim that Fox didn't have enough credibility as a source for adequate validation...and honestly, on that one, you'd have a point. If it was on CNN, you'd claim that CNN only presented a liberal point of view. If it was on wikepedia, you would decry that web 2.0 allows anyone to post and alter the site. If it was from HAARP, you would spend hours invalidating the site itself.

The fact is, I've provided you and many of your friends tons of excellent sources in the past. Some from Harvard, Nasa, WSJ, BBC, DOD etc etc. And despite the validity of the sources and the many arguments that you have lost horribly, you simply cannot come to terms with the fact that there seem to be things you simply don't know.

For instance...
1. Do you remember when I had to tell you that WATTS were used to amplify frequencies? You actually tried to argue that one with me on a separate thread.

2. When I provided William Cohen's statement about the D.O.D's concern about weather terrorism, you and your friends first attacked the idea that he ever even said it. Then when I provided his statement right off the D.O.D's site, then you told me that I misconstrued what he actually said by attempting a game of semantics. For shame.

3. Or, how about the fact that you said that Eiscat was a transmitter ONLY. Insert foot in mouth. That one didn't work out too well either.

4. Then you argued, on this thread whether Tesla's principles of free energy/electromagnetic radiation had any similarities with HAARP (free energy/electromagnetic radiation), and your only very weak argument against it was "Steam Power." Ouch. Free energy is free energy Phage. It is all accessed through longwave and shortwave radiation which is gained from the ionosphere, or, the power of the sun. My question to you is this...how much more of this can you do to yourself??? But, I will give you credit on this one...You were correct about the actual location of the pineal gland verses where it is felt when it is activated within the body. So, thank God for small victories.


[edit on 17-3-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

So you couldn't find what I asked for (a source). I'm sorry if it offends you when I ask for sources. It's all part of denying ignorance.

Re: your "examples". You are putting words in my mouth and I do not appreciate that.

1) Frequency is a property of a waveform, it is the number of cycles that waveform goes through in a given period of time (i.e. 5kHz = 5,000 cycles per second). en.wikipedia.org...

A watt (no need to capitalize it, it is not an acronym) is a unit of power. en.wikipedia.org...

There is no direct relationship between power and frequency. They are each separate properties of electromagnetic radiation. What do you mean by "watts are used to amplify frequencies"? Just what is that the watts "amplify"? To amplify means to increase. Do you mean that watts are used to raise the frequency? Can you explain how that is done? Do you mean increase the power of the signal? In that case you are saying "watts are used to amplify watts". But that doesn't make much any sense either.


2) Please show me where I denied Cohen made that statement. You did miscontrue what he said. What do I have to be ashamed of?

3) For the umpteenth time. You specifically said the EISCAT heater is a receiver. It is not. You are in error. EISCAT does, of course, operate recievers and I never said that it does not, but the heater is only a transmitter. You have provided no evidence to the contrary.

4) The context of the Tesla statement was specific to his "earthquake machine" which was steam powered. I provided his own patent as evidence.

I said nothing about his notions of "free energy". HAARP has nothing to do with "free energy", it produces its power with diesel generators, 12.5Mw worth.

[edit on 3/17/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage


You put your own words into your own mouth Phage, I just reminded you of them. And, don't get bent out of shape, otherwise your argument will only suffer more. You can continue to offer an argument of semantics all day long, but, its not confusing me, its only confusing you. Aren't you afraid that someday, you might have to swallow your own words??? That day is coming quicker than you may imagine, so, I'd be careful with all of your statements that harbors absolutism. This isn't something that you can win or lose Phage. In the end, its your opinion against mine

And nope, I don't mind offering up sources at all. But here's the problem...I already know what you will do with those sources before you ever see them. Deny Ignorance...Just remember you said that, and hopefully you'll have some accountability when all of your arguments begin to work against you.

HAARP is not a joke, nor is it as harmless as you love to paint it up to be. If you claim that microwaving the ionosphere brings no adverse effects, then you are either in denial, you're lying to yourself and others, or you are completely delusional. I have a hard time believing that someone of your intelligence sees absolutely no danger with the capabilities that HAARP possesses. It doesn't take much effort to research the effects of microwaves on the atmosphere. It also doesn't take much effort to research hertz levels, RF, HF, and ELF frequencies to know what kinds of damage that they can cause to living systems. Something tells me that you're quite aware, but, you have a job to perform. That's cool. Just know that deceiving people has its own sets of consequences.

Much love!!!

[edit on 17-3-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

In the end it's a matter of understanding and evidence versus misunderstanding, ignorance, speculation and fear.

Lest you attempt to twist my intent let me lay out explicitly that you represent the latter and I the former.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

So you couldn't find what I asked for (a source). I'm sorry if it offends you when I ask for sources. It's all part of denying ignorance.

Re: your "examples". You are putting words in my mouth and I do not appreciate that.

1) Frequency is a property of a waveform, it is the number of cycles that waveform goes through in a given period of time (i.e. 5kHz = 5,000 cycles per second). en.wikipedia.org...

A watt (no need to capitalize it, it is not an acronym) is a unit of power. en.wikipedia.org...

There is no direct relationship between power and frequency. They are each separate properties of electromagnetic radiation. What do you mean by "watts are used to amplify frequencies"? Just what is that the watts "amplify"? To amplify means to increase. Do you mean that watts are used to raise the frequency? Can you explain how that is done? Do you mean increase the power of the signal? In that case you are saying "watts are used to amplify watts". But that doesn't make much any sense either.


2) Please show me where I denied Cohen made that statement. You did miscontrue what he said. What do I have to be ashamed of?

3) For the umpteenth time. You specifically said the EISCAT heater is a receiver. It is not. You are in error. EISCAT does, of course, operate recievers and I never said that it does not, but the heater is only a transmitter. You have provided no evidence to the contrary.

4) The context of the Tesla statement was specific to his "earthquake machine" which was steam powered. I provided his own patent as evidence.

I said nothing about his notions of "free energy". HAARP has nothing to do with "free energy", it produces its power with diesel generators, 12.5Mw worth.

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Phage you negligence of the understanding of Potential aka Voltage is your fallacy in this attempted spin rebuttal.
Voltage is the potential that drives or produces the electrical pressure that produces the expenditure of watts or jewels of power.(energy) This does not occur until there is some kind of work initiated. Such as amplification.or frequency generation.
Frequencies need small amounts of power aka watts to stimulate crystals or other low power circuitry known as oscillators, fixed or variable. They are know as signal generators. Signals aka frequencies.
These frequencies can be amplified by loading the potential or voltage by the signal.
It is usually done in progressive steps of power amplification. Stages are known as pre-amps.
The final stage is commonly know as POWER (watt) amplification.
It does not matter what the frequency count is (number of cycles)
Get yourself some education in RADIO, or just stick to denial. It suites you.

reply to post by Donny 4 million

Thank you.
I do have a basic understanding of how electricity is converted into electromagnetic radiation. (But I don't understand why you feel the need write radio in capital letters. Is it an acronym for something or do you just feel a need to shout it out?)

Power and frequency are two properties of electromagnetic radiation (or a "signal"). You explained how, in a transmitter, the frequency of a transmitted signal is determined (by the use of a crystal or an oscillator) and how the power of a signal is amplified, that is, how the wattage is increased.

You have not explained how, as EM put it, "watts were used to amplify frequencies". As you said;

It does not matter what the frequency count is (number of cycles)

A frequency does not have wattage. You understand that and I understand that. EM does not seem to.



[edit on 3/17/2010 by Phage]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Donny 4 million

 

Thank you.
I do have a basic understanding of how electricity is converted into electromagnetic radiation. (But I don't understand why you feel the need write radio in capital letters. Is it an acronym for something or do you just feel a need to shout it out?)

Power and frequency are two properties of electromagnetic radiation (or a "signal"). You explained how, in a transmitter, the frequency of a transmitted signal is determined (by the use of a crystal or an oscillator) and how the power of a signal is amplified, that is, how the wattage is increased.

You have not explained how, as EM put it, "watts were used to amplify frequencies". As you said;

It does not matter what the frequency count is (number of cycles)

A frequency does not have wattage. You understand that and I understand that. EM does not seem to.



[edit on 3/17/2010 by Phage]

First power is not a signal or frequency. If it is a battery.
The power of a signal is never increased by an oscillator.
Wattage is never increased by amplification.
Here is the answer to you false interpretation
Transmitted frequency is a signal with watts/power attached.
HAARP a high powered variable frequency weapon.
Can it Phage

reply to post by Donny 4 million

Well you were doing fine until you got here:

Wattage is never increased by amplification.

Maybe these guys should be busted for false advertising.

This 40 Watt FM RF Amplifier will increase the output of your FM transmitter from about 1 Watt to 40 Watts.

www.electrokits.com...

In case you want to protest AM vs. FM, there's this:

There’s an old axiom in amateur radio which states “Life’s too short for QRP.” While I generally disagree, it certainly appears to be true for 75m AM operation here in central North America, where a one watt carrier can quickly become buried in QRN & QRM. This amplifier is a mate for the QRP 75m AM Transceiver described elsewhere at this site.

The amplifier uses four Motorola MRF150 50 volt TMOS power FETs configured in push-pull/parallel and biased for class AB linear operation. This scheme yields a power gain of 20db. The 1 watt drive from the “Wheat Box” will produce a 100 watt carrier (400 watts PEP @100% modulation) with headroom to spare.

www.qsl.net...

I guess you don't understand after all.

[edit on 3/18/2010 by Phage]

1 hour 6mintues no pulse wave in an earthquake???

There is something going on folks. For those out there not familiar with HAARP, SURA, Eiscat, and some of the other electromagnetic facilities that are on earth, you really should research the patents that the developers have made and what their purposes are for.

Here's a brief list:
HAARP PATENTS (Assigned to APTI, Inc.)

You clipped this off of Begich's site, and it has the same problems there - he just dumped out every APTI patent there was and claimed they were "HAARP patents", which is not at all true.

You SHOULD really research the patents instead of just posting someone's bogus list. Don't let the technical terms scare you - not everything you don't understand is evil. And a lot of them are just laughably non-related.

And, William Cohen, ex-secretary of the DOD, made a specific statement about electromagnetic weapons that could be used for weather terrorism.

In April 1997, the then U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen publicly discussed the dangers of HAARP-like technology, saying "others are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations... It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts."

Cohen did not mention HAARP or "HAARP-like" technology at all. That attribution has always been made by people such as yourself, who see an antenna array and don't understand it, and then leap to conclusions like that.

There were some oddball bits of research going on concerning using electrical energy (not EM, per se) to trigger faults at the time. Or he might have been talking about Proteus, I suppose, but likely not.

Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
reply to post by bkaust

 

Please correct me if I am wrong here , but wasn't the HAARP Program from the beginning of it's conception in Theory a Possible " Weather Manipulator Device " ? Does it have more than that capability today ? Hmm...

[edit on 12-3-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

Nope. It was at the beginning of its conception an ionospheric heater. Eastlund had applied for a lot of wild-hare patents that weren't HAARP. HAARP isn't Eastlund's device.

You can go tour the place, it's fun.

Originally posted by 911stinks
It's that type of sarcastic and arrogant attitude that is going to get a LOT of people killed. Someday, you WILL realize the truth, and then it will be too late.

To the OP.

HAARP is not just electronic. They need something in the atmosphere to make it effective. That something is silver iodide.

The guy that was most known for rainmaking with silver iodide, also invented the word plasma. Take a look for yourself.

Are you seriously trying to claim that Langmuir has something to do with HAARP?

Silver iodide is a good nucleation agent, just like they describe in some of what you posted. That causes droplets to form, then, if conditions are just right and the system was under-nucleated to begin with, rain. No HAARP needed.

Originally posted by jinx880101
This thread is very well put together.

I have entertained the idea that earthquakes are being 'manufactured' to an extent. Especially recently.

I found it really weird and thought provoking that all of a sudden, this year....we are experiencing earthquake lights for the first time since 19-something.(not sure about the date). And the fact that they hit so fast after one another, & all accompanied by 'earthquake lights'.

Yet earthquake lights and other electrical phenomena associated with earthquakes have been recorded throughout history. If something HAARPlike were doing it back then, I guess you'd have to have thousands of Romans with parabolic brass shields spinning little generators or something, like on a Gilligan's Island rerun.

www.bonus36.com...

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
I wonder if these harmonic machines simular to the harmonic machines of ancient times are the modern version of stoneheng and the pyramids. Designed when fully running to eliminate or deflect an oncomming OBJECT OR OBJECTS LIKE EARTHS NEW AGE DEATH BEAMS....Just a thought. See with my imagination I visualized a long time ago that the pyramids were all interconnected by electricity. Each pyramid had a crystal top with some form of electric conducting metal rapped around or tied through the crystal tops. When ever a lightning storm would occure these pyramid tops would act as lightning poles of today act and send an electric charge through the all of the interconnecting pyramid tops mabey creating an ancient form of HARMONIC OR SONIC WEAPONARY OR DEFENSE. This same type of intelligence I believe is what stonehenge was for JUST A DIFFERENT HARMONIC ENGINEER CREATED IT...AGAIN FRIENDS ALL SPECULATION HERE AND JUST CONSIDERING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO POSSIBLY PROTECT/DEFEND EARTH.

But what if you just imagined wrong? Does the fact that you imagined it make it possible? Right now, I'm imagining a giant elephant with Rush Limbaugh's head and octopus tentacles (sort of a Cthulu thing) stomping Nancy Pelosi...nope, didn't actually happen. Imagination is a wonderful thing - it is the start of creation. But it isn't the act of creation, or reality. And you can easily imagine things that aren't ever going to happen.

Do you know what "harmonic" means in a technical sense? Not in the theosophic new agey sense? It's a lot less spooky than you think. Is is possible that you're reading technical jargon and thinking it's related to new age terms?

Originally posted by GhostR1der
To the people saying HAARP cannot control weather - IT'S IN THE PATENTS!!! Perhaps they will read the horrible capital letters and let it sink in. Read the patents, patentstorm has them all listed. Note it can 'control communications and other effects'.

Did YOU read the patents? Did YOU understand that it's not a "HAARP patent"? Do you understand the patents you read?

Yes, communications effects are probably the number one military interest in ionosphere heaters. That's got jack to do with earthquakes.

Then research scalar em waves, scalar inferiometers and go from there. Weather is just the tip of the iceberg, over 11 countries have HAARP style facilities. 30 degrees steerable refers to the transverse em capabilties, not scalar or longditudinal waves. The power generation capabilties are completely irrelevant when power can be drawn from a higher potential source in endothermic mode (e.g. earths core). To those who say scalar em waves do not exist, please explain why coil experiments with faraday cages can pick up an EM signal inside the cage?
There is more to life than what a mainstream physics textbook has inside - remember that the earth was flat once?

There are no such things as scalar EM waves. That's a Bearden thing, and he's just wrong. What are you referring to with the coil thing? There's not enough info there to try to understand what you're talking about. But hey, if everyone knows about this, show me a scalar transmitter or receiver. Bearden also thinks that all EM is longitudinal, because he's an ether believer. But when you ask him how in hell you can polarize EM then, he just waves his hands around and screams about cur dogs. You should meet Tom, he's a hoot.

PS - there was a guy before Tom Bearden that he's likely getting his inspiration from - Wally Minto, IIRC. You don't see a lot of stuff on the net about old Wally because his "longitudinal waves" were magazine fodder in the 60s. Back then, "scalar waves" were called "hydronics" and "plasmonics". Note that there is a real science term 'plasmonics' which is different.

Come to think of it, scalar fields are also real science - a scalar is a field with no vector component. So a temperature map is a depiction of a scalar field. EM is not scalar, though.

Oh, since you like Bearden, what about his other stuff, like "Zog"? Heh.

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor
They have the ability to make a nearly undetectable earthquake by atmospheric propagation prediction and shooting say a 2hz signal into the ground/air at the country they want to. Not many radios pick up 2hz, and 2hz is not detectable by human ears.

Sound is not radio. Radio is not sound. You can't hear radio waves (except in weird cases - see Frey) even if the radio waves were in the normal range of hearing. They are as different as parakeets and cheese.

You can't "shoot" a 2Hz radio wave AT anything - it's about the size of a hemisphere of Earth. It's not like you can focus it.

Originally posted by Frakkerface
Wow, I've never seen this before:

U.S. Patent 4817495:
Defense System For Discriminating Between Objects In Space
Inventors: Drobot; Adam T., Annandale, VA
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Apr. 4, 1989
Filed: Jul. 7, 1986

U.S. Patent 4873928:
Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation
Inventors: Lowther; Frank E., Plano, TX
Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Issued: Oct. 17, 1989
Filed: June 15, 1987

They both sound pretty scary. Im not quite sure what the first means though

The last one is referring to blowing up a building full of compressed natural gas, IIRC, and has jack to do with HAARP. Although it is always a good indicator that the poster of it has never read any of the patents they're trying to foist off as PROOF!!!! of HAARP evil. APTI patented a lot of stuff. None of it really has much of anything to do with HAARP.