Grisly mystery after scores of starlings fall out of the sky and lie dying... in a SINGLE front gard

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


I like your logic on this one, however Templecombe is at least 15 miles away by my reckoning.

Also it would be at the time of day where there's a lot of traffic on a busy A road, if they wanted to be covert surely they'd be better off testing around the backroads of Templecombe instead of Coxley?

Dare I say....? HAARP?

Direct beam could fry a flock flying directly into it....
Theortically its possible.
Statisticly not very likely.

But possible. lol

Could also be some kind of gas like methane (like others mentioned)

Originally posted by Goathief

Now that's all settled once and for all, would you like to provide supporting evidence for your invisible UFO instead of derailing the thread further?

Firstly. What???

Secondly What?? What???

Thirdly.. Re-read my original post... it was an idea not a claim... Are you saying that my idea is 100% impossible?

Please prove that it is 100% imposable for these birds to have flown headlong into a cloaked stationary flying object....

I didn't claim Little green men... I simply state that these birds flew into a stationary object that they could not see... The fact that the reports are the birds just fell out of the sky and the fact that the report stated some of the birds were in the trees kind of in my mind at least rules out birds flying into glass houses or conservatories...

Is it so farfetched given the advent of meta materials that cloaking devices on terrestrial vehicles could be applied in high end black projects???

From this article back in 2008....

Scientists Say Invisibility Cloak Now Possible

WASHINGTON — Scientists say they are a step closer to developing materials that could render people and objects invisible. Researchers have demonstrated for the first time they were able to cloak three-dimensional objects using artificially engineered materials that redirect light around the objects. Previously, they only have been able to cloak very thin two-dimensional objects.

The findings, by scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, led by Xiang Zhang, are to be released later this week in the journals Nature and Science.

The new work moves scientists a step closer to hiding people and objects from visible light, which could have broad applications, including military ones.

Please proove this is not the cause of the dead birds... Or maybe you should accept that others point of views and ideas are as valid are yours....

Korg.

Edit for not being able to spell lol ;p


[edit on 10-3-2010 by Korg Trinity]

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Thirdly.. Re-read my original post... it was an idea not a claim... Are you saying that my idea is 100% impossible?

Yes, until;

1) You prove the existence of invisible craft
2) You prove that invisible craft are flown in Somerset
3) You prove that the craft was indeed operational at the time and hovering over a village in the Somerset countryside
4) You provide a sound theory as to why an invisible craft would be doing this in the first place

Please prove that it is 100% imposable for these birds to have flown headlong into a cloaked stationary flying object....

I don't need to as we already have a large number of other possibilies with much more mundane explanations, ranging from a newly constructed conservatory to a bird of prey forcing the birds down into the ground.

Disprove all of the above (and far more likely explanations) before throwing out the UFO card.

I didn't claim Little green men...

Again with the poor reading comprehension, why does UFO = aliens, in your head?

I simply state that these birds flew into a stationary object that they could not see...

How do you know that they did? Why not something else that made them fall from the sky sustaining the injuries on the ground? Prove it with 100% certainty please.

The fact that the reports are the birds just fell out of the sky

We have no first-hand reports of this, as has been already covered.

and the fact that the report stated some of the birds were in the trees kind of in my mind at least rules out birds flying into glass houses or conservatories

Is it impossible for some less injured to seek shelter in a nearby tree?

Is it so farfetched given the advent of meta materials that cloaking devices on terrestrial vehicles could be applied in high end black projects???

Hovering pointlessly above houses in Somerset villages? Yes.

Please proove this is not the cause of the dead birds...

I don't need to, it's basically an impossibility at this point in time. If you believe that this did happen then the onus is on you to prove it. It's that simple.

Or maybe you should accept that others point of views and ideas are as valid are yours....

Wrong.

Nobody has to do any such thing without supporting evidence, I could believe that my body is made entirely from sugar and food dye but that does not mean it's correct or valid.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by Goathief]

Although this is an unusual event,it pales in comparison to some of these RBDs

(rapid bird drops) I made that up!

There have been more than a few cases of 1000s of birds dropping out of the sky and dying,from Texas to Australia.

www.google.co.uk... ta=&aq=f&oq=

No one sems to have an explanation though.
I have to wonder in the case of migratory birds-could it be something as simple as exhaustion?
It could be that some of these cases are due to a seriously long flight by a group of birds,coupled with a headwind,or lack of airbourne insects as food which caused some of these mass die offs.

I suppose its important to try to rule out the more mundane possibilities before I start to blame the likes of Thales,and their sonar/radar building business,plus if it was them,they wouldn't tell.

In the case of Starling though,it appears that they migrate to the UK in sept/oct to get here for our "mild" winters:

Most of us think of starlings as being resident birds and, it is true, that most are always with us. Others are migratory though.
These account for the huge increase in the starling population which occurs when birds, from northern Europe, arrive to spend the winter in the UK because the weather is relatively mild here and they will be able to find food and shelter before returning to their breeding territories.
They begin to arrive during September but the majority of starlings will arrive in October, before the winter weather sets in. Most of the birds coming to the UK are from Scandinavia but one individual, caught during an autumn bird-ringing session in Bedfordshire, already had a ring, put on the previous spring in Lithuania.

www.rspb.org.uk...

Hmmm...back to the drawing board for the "exhaustion" idea then...

Puzzling.

And this johnny, is how the human race was wiped out by bird flu.

reply to post by Happyfeet

Well said Happyfeet!

Hmm..thats an RSPCA officer isn't it?

She really should know better-wheres the gloves,the mask?
Tsk Tsk.
Off to quarantine she goes!



[edit on 10/3/2010 by Silcone Synapse]

Some Pest Control operators use a poison called avitrol, which is almost like a hallucinogenic for birds, it drives them mad and kills them.

Originally posted by Goathief

Nobody has to do any such thing without supporting evidence, I could believe that my body is made entirely from sugar and food dye but that does not mean it's correct or valid.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by Goathief]

If you subscribe to the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics there is a you out there that is made of exactly that!!

Returning to this reality though and your comments on nothing can be right unless there is proof.... So do you think that electricity didn't exist back in 3000bc because there was no proof of it existing... Why not go back and ask a person back then to prove that it exists...

I posed one possibility as to what could have happened... The OP asked for options.. I posed one... Why do you have a problem with that??

Is a cloaked craft any harder to believe as a timed poison or a military test of a death ray or any other ideas??

If this case was simply the birds crashed into a window do you think the RSPCA would be confused and the case reach the main stream press??

What gives you the right to question or poo poo others ideas anyway...

I take back the pompouseness and replace it with...

TROLL Definition - In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Have a nice day.

Korg.

P.s. If you had bothered to read my last post there was supporting evidence...

Scientists Say Invisibility Cloak Now Possible

[edit on 10-3-2010 by Korg Trinity]

They probably hit a cloaked spaceship.

No seriously. I truly believe the very advanced ships can cloak and hide in plain view.

Many that are invisible to the human eye have been filmed in the infrared spectrum.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


Hey Silcone Synapse, S&F for you. That really is a weird one. Interesting, would it be too outlandish to conclude that an object hit them at very high speed, and if so, what the hell was it?

Originally posted by awakeningone
Some Pest Control operators use a poison called avitrol, which is almost like a hallucinogenic for birds, it drives them mad and kills them.

Interesting,I'm going to put that into the "maybe" category-only because the birds would have all had to have ingested the poison at the same time,which although not impossible,could be unlikely IMO.

www.avitrol.com...

They use it to bait traps,so how would these starlings all get a dose at the same time,and only those that died,leaving others unaffected?

More likely than HAARP though I guess(or hope).

reply to post by davec0021


Thanks Buddy,

Thats certainly a possibility,although I havn't read any reports of planes getting struck,plus that makes a lot more mess I think.

But like some others have said-maybe it was no plane that it hit...but something else.

If it was not for the neighbor who claimed to witness the birds falling,I would go with some kind of a prank.

Weird indeed.

Ok, I've noticed alot of crazy posts about high energy beams or HAARP..

But I came across this story on the BBC rather than the sensationalist Daily Mail and they quoted an RSPCA bod as saying they probably flew into the ground away from a hawk. Starlings move together like shoals of fish, so if they were down low trying to avoid a Hawk, the chances are they crash landed when their group made a wrong turn. Some actually survived the impact, others had to be put down, but all had injuries consitant with hitting the ground and showed no other signs of ill health..

Sorry to be a party pooper, but it's really a non-event. No invisible stealth machines or high energy miltiary weapons, just some dopy birds making a wrong turn. The key bit for me is the sound as they were heard hitting the ground. This is the sound a big flock of starlings make as they fly in their tight "shoals", it seems quite obvious that they just hit the deck.

Animal welfare officer Alison Sparkes, who was called by police, said: "It was a remarkable sight, I've never seen anything like it."

There is no evidence the birds were ill or poisoned before they hit the ground.

Ms Sparkes said: "Onlookers said they heard a whooshing sound and then the birds just hit the ground.

"They had fallen on to the ground in quite a small area, about 12ft (3.6m) in diameter.

"They appeared to be in good condition other than injuries that they appear to have suffered when they hit they ground.

"Our best guess is that this happened because the starlings were trying to escape a predator such as a sparrow hawk and ended up crash landing."

BBC

[edit on 10/3/10 by stumason]

i've seen a bird fly into a brick wall before. it looked like suicide, really. i was walking along and about five feet in front of me this thing swooped out of the sky and directly into the side of a building.

i'd go with the magnetic field fluctuation idea. i imagine that experiencing such a fluctuation while flying would be akin to a sudden, vicious bout of sea-sickness or vertigo; definitely able to potentially smack you into a wall.

Flash Forward... PAY ATTENTION TO THE BIRDS.
It's happening.

This has been happening for years now. All sorts of birds. About 4 years ago I researched and put together a blog, but sadly it's lost now...there were incidents like this happening all over the world...as memory serves, I found so many articles about birds dying "mysteriously" it was hard to determine what to include. And that was just for that year. There were also articles fish dying for no apparent reason in lakes and rivers and oceans. Most of these stories are never followed up and the few that are are usually loaded with pretty feeble excuses. And then there are the bees...which may be a bit of a different issue.

Edit to say I found part of the blog. U2U me if you want a copy.

[edit on 10-3-2010 by ~Lucidity]

Hi guys,
I've actually witnessed one similar, but much smaller episode.

Does anyone know if there is any building works going on there?
Any open sewer or septic tanks?

Several years ago, I saw a sparrow fluttering past me, and flying directly over an open septic (sewerage) tank, in the large gardens of an old house which was being renovated.
The sparrow dropped like a stone, when it reached the tank.
I mean, one second it was fluttering normally, and the next it fell straight down into the tank. I ran over to the tank, and was there within 3 or 4 seconds of the sparrow falling. It was stone dead, and beside it in the tank, were the floating bodies of at least six other small birds. Mostly sparrows, with a blackbird and starling if memory serves me correctly.

I don't know if this has any relevance to the OP? But it was the strangest thing, and I just put it down to a build up of noxious gases from the open septic tank.

G

reply to post by Goathief


Speaks volumes about what? Just because there where some inconsistencies in her story doesn't mean 100 birds didn't fall into her garden. What exactly do you think this means...that she's not getting her story straight so she must have killed the birds for some publicity? lol In all honesty though, what are you getting at?

Originally posted by stumason

Sorry to be a party pooper, but it's really a non-event. No invisible stealth machines or high energy miltiary weapons, just some dopy birds making a wrong turn. The key bit for me is the sound as they were heard hitting the ground. This is the sound a big flock of starlings make as they fly in their tight "shoals", it seems quite obvious that they just hit the deck.

Don't apologise,
Thats as good as any theory put forward so far.
I have seen hawks attack a flock of birds,and they scattered madly in all directions.It could be that if this took place too close to the ground,some of the flock would hit the ground hard,and die.

I was thinking another possible explanation could be a sudden belch of CO2 or some other noxious gas from a nearby chimmney/factory.
Although to affect a flock of fast moving birds may be a stretch.

You may have cracked it Stu.