Grisly mystery after scores of starlings fall out of the sky and lie dying... in a SINGLE front gard

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Your concept of a crackpot thoery has more supporting evidence presented in this thread as any other theory.

No, it actually has ZERO "supporting evidence". You are, I trust, aware what supporting evidence is, aren't you? Please, if I've missed it then kindly point out where this "evidence" is..

I think you'll find that the ONLY theory that has ANY supporting evidence is the crash landing theory. Supporting evidence such as eye witness and expert witness testimony, the injuries the birds sustained and known behaviour of the birds.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Whats more is with the advent of meta materials, background projections, and the uk being the most watched nation on the plantet, why is it so hard to think that the birds flew into a stationary cloaked object?

Most watched nation? By whom? It's hard to believe for one simple fact, there is no evidence of it. Not one iota of evidence. Believe you me, if there was any evidence of cloaked UFO's I'd be ecstatic, but there is none in this case.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Do you think that those that have experienced UFO's or unexplained phenomenon are crackpots?

Nope, as I've seen two "UFO's" myself in my life. It's a bit of a stretch for you to link my belief in the mundane in this case to somehow equate me being some sort of UFO sceptic. Assumptions are the mother of all fudge up's, you know.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
to quote Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

Are you stating a cloaked ufo as impossible?

Nope, but are you saying it is far more likely than the birds trying to avoid a bird of prey and crashing? If you are, then you lack some very basic critical thinking and analytical skills.

Using your own quote, you have yet to "eliminate" a crash theory or even poisoning, but you're leaping to the cloaked UFO theory straight off the bat. That's just daft.

Birds crash all the time for petes sake, whereas no-one has any evidence of a cloaked UFO being in existance.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
Your concept of a crackpot theory has more supporting evidence presented in this thread as any other theory.

No, it actually has ZERO "supporting evidence". You are, I trust, aware what supporting evidence is, aren't you? Please, if I've missed it then kindly point out where this "evidence" is..

Please read here in this thread..

Korg Trinity Post - Supporting evidence

You may also want to look into the following

Invisibility cloak unveiled in the US

Army Eyes Invisibility Cloak

According to Dr. Richard Hammond from the Army Research Office, the military is two or three years away from being able to manufacture devices using meta-materials that allow "unprecedented extreme control over the flow of light." And not just that: in theory the materials could deflect radar and other sensors, too.

British Military Invisible Tank

“This technology is incredible,” an unnamed soldier was quoted by the Daily Mail and Sun. “If I hadn’t been present I wouldn’t have believed it. I looked across the fields and just saw grass and trees but in reality I was staring down the barrel of a tank gun.”

Here’s how to make an invisibility cloak

Researchers say they are rapidly closing in on new types of materials that can throw a cloak of invisibility around objects, fulfilling a fantasy that is as old as ancient myths and as young as "Star Trek" and the Harry Potter novels.

Also this is a very interesting watch, goes through the history of this type of research... you see true cloaking stealth has been on the agenda a very very long time..







Do you still say that a cloaked UFO is still not worth considering??

Most watched nation? By whom? It's hard to believe for one simple fact, there is no evidence of it. Not one iota of evidence. Believe you me, if there was any evidence of cloaked UFO's I'd be ecstatic, but there is none in this case.

Check this... article is 2006 so I expect this number to much higher now.

Britain is 'surveillance society' - 2006

There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people. But surveillance ranges from US security agencies monitoring telecommunications traffic passing through Britain, to key stroke information used to gauge work rates and GPS information tracking company vehicles, the Report on the Surveillance Society says.

Surveillance society - full report - 2006

HOW WE CAN BE WATCHED??

1. 4.2m CCTV cameras
   
2. 300 CCTV appearances a day
   
3. Reg plate recognition cameras
   
4. Shop RFID tags
   
5. Mobile phone triangulation
   
6. Store loyalty cards
   
7. Credit card transactions
   
8. London Oyster cards
   
9. Satellites
   
10. Electoral roll
    
11. NHS patient records
    
12. Personal video recorders
    
13. Phone-tapping
    
14. Hidden cameras/bugs
    
15. Worker call monitoring
    
16. Worker clocking-in
    
17. Mobile phone cameras
    
18. Internet cookies
    
19. Keystroke programme
    

So is Stealth cloaking for the purpos of surveillance so far fetched??

Hope you enjoyed.

All the best,

Korg.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by Korg Trinity]

reply to post by Korg Trinity


You seem to be not only missing the point entirely, but also making grandiose assumptions about what I believe, don't believe and what I do and do not know.

1. Occams razor - The simplest explanation is often the most likely one. You're reaching for something fantastical, like a hovering cloaked UFO over small-town Somerset, when a simple, mundane explanation exists.
   
   
2. You assume I do no believe in "cloaking" tech. This is so far from the mark that you might as well have shot yourself in the face. as I am well aware of various things in development. I never said it was impossible, just highly unlikely that such a thing would have caused these birds to crash.
   
   
3. You also provide links to HUMAN "cloaking" tech , which is still very much in development, even though you'r chiming on about UFO's and alien ships. Thats like using the existance of cheese to prove snails exist.
   

Now, how about you stop droning on and on about how something so fantastical as to be unlikely and plonk your feet on the ground, actually look at this objectively and use some common sense.

You do realise that the reasoning you're using is the same as what could be found if someone came across a single car upside down in a ditch and could see no people around, so therefore assumed that the car had not only driven itself, but had then crashed into a hitherto unseen object that just HAS to be cloaked UFO because you just know they exist.

Even if people had seen someone get out the car and run away, you know what you believe just has to be the answer because you can't see anyone in the car now.

I'm done with this thread and arguing the toss with people who have ZERO reasoning ability.

EDIT: Your stats for the UK watching everybody are bunk as well. 95% of all CCTV in the country is privately owned and an even higher percentage isn't even monitored. The rest of your "survelance" facts you can find in any other half-developed nation on the planet, so it's hardly unique to the UK nor indicatove of a "police state".

You obviously have a need to believe the fantastical over the reality.



[edit on 18/3/10 by stumason]

I would like to show you what a local newspaper printed just today.
This is verbatim and taken from an AP news release. This is from the
Scottsbluff Star Herald from March 19, 2010. This article is talking about
a town in Nebraska, USA.

GRAND ISLAND POISONING STARLINGS

GRAND ISLAND (AP)
The city of Grand Island is poisoning hundreds of starlings, hoping to
reduce the health threat posed by the bird droppings. The city is using
a toxic chemical that U.S. Department of Agriculture officials say won't
affect any other birds or animals or people. The chemical takes about a
day to work. Residents are urged to use gloves or shovels when
picking up and disposing the bird carcasses. The city began poisoning
starlings back in 2005. (END QUOTE)

It is possible that the starlings in England were poisoned at some other
location and then suddenly died where they did. I am only guessing. I
know that pidgeons are a pest at times, but I didn't know about starlings.

And I am sure we can all rest assured when the government says there
is no risk to other birds, animals, or people. How can they make a deadly
toxin to kill off a particular type of bird and not be dangerous to other
living creatures and people? Ah, our lovely leaders at their best.


[edit on 19-3-2010 by endtimer]

reply to post by Silcone Synapse
This same thing happened in my yard last summer. We were watching a fireworks show and about 30 minutes later dozens of birds began falling dead from the sky. I called the Tennessee Wildlife people but they were closed on the weekend so we called the local animal control number. They sent a police officer out to check on it and he was shocked to see how many birds were lying dead in our yard and on the street. He drove to a few surrounding streets and and said there were a couple dead birds on the yards a streets but nothing like our street. There was no blood but a clear liquid was coming out of the birds mouths. The police officer told me to put two of them in a ziploc and stick them in the freezer and call Tenn Wildlife back on Monday. To make matters worse, my daughter's two year old Cockateil, who was in perfect health, fell dead in her cage within three hours of the birds falling from the sky. I called TN Wildlife, they said they would "look into it" but we never heard anything back. It is worth mentioning that we lived within yards of the Tennessee Eastman company where several recent chemical leaks had caused fish to die in surrounding waters. The Eastman never mentioned anything about the birds and we have since moved from that house so who knows what caused it? I have heard all sorts of theories, from the fireworks show causing them to have heart attacks (wouldn't really explain them all being the same bird, the clear liquid from their mouths or my pet bird dying), some people said the Eastman poisons the birds with corn soaked in toxins to keep them from roosting in the smokestacks (again, wouldn't explain the pet bird) and we also heard about the toxic gas cloud theory. I don't know that we will ever know what happened.

reply to post by AbsintheFaery


That is odd,although maybe the fireworks had something to do with it-maybe not a heart attack,but maybe they created some kind of oxygen deprived area in the sky.

I did wonder about this pages back,and at first I thought it would have to be a huge cloud of gas,now I am not so sure that is the case,a small area which birds passed through may be enough,seen as they breathe so very fast.

Maybe the fireworks did deprive the area of the required amount of oxygen,for just enough time for those birds to pass out,hit the floor.

Who knows,good info though.

New BBC article following up on this.

An inquiry has found the flock could have been trying to escape a predator such as a sparrow hawk or become confused by traffic, light or noise.

"It is also interesting to note that the shingle on the drive is a similar colour to that of reed beds so they may have been descending quickly into what they might have seen as tall reeds."

news.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by WatchTheWorld
New BBC article following up on this.

An inquiry has found the flock could have been trying to escape a predator such as a sparrow hawk or become confused by traffic, light or noise.

"It is also interesting to note that the shingle on the drive is a similar colour to that of reed beds so they may have been descending quickly into what they might have seen as tall reeds."

news.bbc.co.uk...

I had to chuckle to myself when I read this.

This smacks heavily of... we don't know what caused it so lets pick a mundane explanation then stick to it.

Case closed??

I smell a rat here.

Peace out,

korg.

Disease outbreaks can affect flocking birds as well. Outbreaks of a virulent strain of salmonella at bird feeders in the US Southeast caused localized die off because the disease was spread bird to bird at feeders. The infection caused the birds to be sick with puffiness around the eyes. The birds became unable to see and starved to death because they could not fly to find food. The birds died in roosting areas near places where people put out bird feed.

These strange happenings are still going on...

I just thought I would add todays Telegraph stories (8th Jan 2011)

over 1000 doves in Italy
More than 1,000 turtle doves fall from the sky in Italy in latest mass bird death case

Jackdaws in Sweden
Dozens of jackdaws found dead in Sweden

at the bottom of this article it says

In the U.S., New Year's Eve fireworks were blamed in Arkansas for killing thousands of blackbirds, and a few days later power lines likely killed about 450 birds in Louisiana.

various mass deaths in Dec 2010

December 2010: thousands of dead crabs washed up along Kent coast

30 December: up to 100,000 dead drum fish over a 20-mile stretch of the Arkansas River, 200km northwest of Little Rock discovered

31 December 2010: 3,000 of red-winged blackbirds rained from sky in Arkansas town of Bebe.

3 January 2011: 500 dead and dying red-winged-blackbirds fell into Louisiana highway in Pointe Coupee Parish

40,000 dead ‘devil crabs’ washed up on Thanet beaches in Kent