Israeli Official: West Has 4-8 Weeks Left for Iran Diplomacy

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

- Ariel Sharon

Only the most hardcore Haters out there would believe Sharon actually said this.

And is another unfortunate example level of insight seen on these threads. An obvious invented quote, yet some people accept it without question.

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Did Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon vow to burn Palestinian children and rape Arabic girls? Did former Israeli leader Menachem Begin refer to Palestinians as “two-legged beasts,” and did another Israeli leader declare that all Arabs must be killed unless they are willing to live as slaves?

No, but given the number of Web sites repeating these allegations, it is easy to see how this nonsense has gained credence. Indeed, the attribution of invidious statements to Israel’s leaders has become a popular stratagem among Israel’s enemies. Many are fabricated, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted, negative view of Zionist intentions and actions. Propagated on the internet, some of these misquotes eventually make their way into opinion columns in campus newspapers and even, on occasion, the mainstream press.

Take for example, the following quote (found on anti-Israel Web sites) alleged to have been said by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to the Israeli parliament in October 2001 and reported on Kol Yisrael radio:

Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.

The statement also appears as "I control America."

As it turns out, it is a hoax. Sharon never made either statement. Nor did Kol Yisrael ever report that he did.

Yet syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote in her May 10, 2002 opinion column, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune, San Diego Tribune, and other newspapers:

In fact, it [American support for Israel’‘s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, "I control America."

Where did this quote originate and how did it enter the mainstream media?

CAMERA’s investigation found that it started with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, IAP – the Islamic Association for Palestine, which attributed the quote to a report on “the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael.”

In fact, Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, confirmed to CAMERA that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. Nor was it reported by any other news service.

When confronted, Geyer told one editor that she relied on two anonymous Israeli sources for the quotation. She told a second editor the quote came from an alleged Ha’aretz article which she never produced and could not be found. A subsequent editor’s note by Geyer’s United Press Syndicate claimed the quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press (i.e. the IAP, which cited the bogus Kol Yisrael source) but could not be confirmed by independent sources.

Indeed for many, the Internet has completely replaced libraries, reference books, and original research as a source of information. This reliance on unregulated, unaccountable sources has boosted the proliferation of misinformation and bogus quotes. And when they are repeated by journalists, albeit those with radical anti-Israel agendas, few are willing to search deeper.

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by Silcone Synapse

 

I think that Israel is saying that they don't want to be the ones to handle this growing problem but, if the rest fo the world keeps jogging in place, they will be left with no choice.

Remember, Iran is led by a man who thinks Israel shouldn't exist. He believes that they should be taken out of existence. These are threats against Israel. While Israel is no angel, they are merely stating that the threat of a nuclear Iran is, most definitely, a threat their existence and, while the West seems to agree that Iran should never go nuclear, since they aren't doing enough to stop them, Israel will be left with no other choice than to eliminate the threat.


Personally, I think the US, Russia, France et al secretly want Israel to handle this matter. It is, easily, the cleanest solution. Israel will run precision strikes, taking out the facilities, and nothing else. Iran will cry foul but the nations she will turn to will be stuck wondering if it is worth siding with them, given the West's repeated attempts to curtail the nuclear problem and given Iran's repeated refusal to even work with the West in a resolution.

It's never been in US interest to be on either side. never never never, no benfit for the US either way, nop matter who'd win. Best deal possible is that both sides that have no respect for their peaceful neighbors and others exterminate each other, how dare they play out their internecine fight on everyone elses lawn?
Basically the rabs hate the izzies, and vice versa, each thinks it's the only chosen people on the block entitled to fleece everyone else. It's their problem, their desires and their intrasigence that's been force on everyone else, and a pox on both their houses. Imagine a world without either of them, what would we do with all the free time currently occupied by paranoia and manipulation and threat and counterthreat?

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

- Ariel Sharon

Only the most hardcore Haters out there would believe Sharon actually said this.

And is another unfortunate example level of insight seen on these threads. An obvious invented quote, yet some people accept it without question.

You mean like the invented quote allegedly made by Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be blown off the map ?

Cuts both ways...Always remember the story of the pot & the kettle when it comes to calling out so called "haters"...

Originally posted by Retrovertigo

You mean like the invented quote allegedly made by Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be blown off the map ?

Cuts both ways...Always remember the story of the pot & the kettle when it comes to calling out so called "haters"...

The big difference is Ahmadinejad 's quotes are usually provided by Iran's own govt PRESSTV. Tapes are available and often broadcast worldwide

There are no complaints from Iran or retractions. He said these things and it is confirmed.

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by Retrovertigo

You mean like the invented quote allegedly made by Ahmadinejad saying Israel should be blown off the map ?

Cuts both ways...Always remember the story of the pot & the kettle when it comes to calling out so called "haters"...

The big difference is Ahmadinejad 's quotes are usually provided by Iran's own govt PRESSTV. Tapes are available and often broadcast worldwide

There are no complaints from Iran or retractions. He said these things and it is confirmed.

Actually it is well documented what was said by the Israeli leadership - very well documented - be careful where you go with this as this is just about the easiest thing to prove there is. Not only was this said - but there were numerous other quotes which have been disclosed by inside sources of the Bush and Clinton admin - these have JUST as much weight as ANYTHING from the Iranian government - either way - just a small piece of advice - if there is one thing EVERYONE agrees on it is the level of control exerted over the US political structure by Israeli / Jewish interests - that is not in doubt.

Originally posted by audas

Actually it is well documented what was said by the Israeli leadership - very well documented - be careful where you go with this as this is just about the easiest thing to prove there is.

Go ahead, we're waiting.

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by audas

Actually it is well documented what was said by the Israeli leadership - very well documented - be careful where you go with this as this is just about the easiest thing to prove there is.

Go ahead, we're waiting.

You are reporting that it wasn't said by a CAMERA - sorry - PLEASE - you might as well have posted that AIPAC itself didnt say it - Here is the exchange ....

Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America" Occupied Jerusalem: 3 October, 2001 (IAP News) An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we control America." According to Israel radio (in hebrew) Kol Yisrael, Peres warned Sharon Wednesday that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us." At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying "every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." The radio said Peres and other cabinet ministers warned Sharon against saying what he said in public because "it would cause us a public relations disaster."

Originally posted by audas

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by audas

Actually it is well documented what was said by the Israeli leadership - very well documented - be careful where you go with this as this is just about the easiest thing to prove there is.

Go ahead, we're waiting.

You are reporting that it wasn't said by a CAMERA - sorry - PLEASE - you might as well have posted that AIPAC itself didnt say it - Here is the exchange ....

Repeating a falsified report somehow makes it true?

SOURCE: The Independent Palestinian Information Network
A subsidiary of PalVision Ltd., P.O.Box 25658, Nicosia, Cyprus

But the Camera trail showing it to be a fae is dismissed.

The default fallback of every believer of racist BS is to claim a source is JDL/Mossad/whatever.

And feel free to swallow all the crap dished out by your White Supremacist pals researching from their trailer parks. Or ask your local Imam. They know the REAL TRUTH.

Holocaust never happened, Israel wants to nuke Iran, Evil Jews control the US, the media, banks, the world. Yadda yadda yadda.

You won't lack for company. There are plenty other Googling lunatic fringers who buy into this stuff.





[edit on 10-3-2010 by mmiichael]