Israeli Official: West Has 4-8 Weeks Left for Iran Diplomacy

nothing will happen just like every other time.even if they did go to war it would be over in a couple of days because of some air strikes than an invasion from more than one angle. and the iranian people will fight along with us because they hate there gov't. Its only the gov't we hate not the people.

reply to post by Crakeur


I apologise if I misinterpreted your statements. And yes I agree Israel would want to eliminate any threats they feel they have.

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This news just came in and adds a new angle to the whole picture

PARIS — Israel, widely believed to have nuclear weapons and possessing no oil, said on Tuesday that it intended to develop civilian nuclear plants for energy, offering to build one as a joint project with Jordan, under French supervision.

The Israeli infrastructure minister, Uzi Landau, told a Paris conference that Israel wanted a cleaner, more reliable source of energy than the large amounts of coal now imported. He said that regional cooperation on civilian nuclear power could help bind the Middle East.

Israel Intends to Build Civilian Nuclear Plants
Israel wants to produce nuclear energy

I am wondering the timing of this statement. How will it affect the talks or any sanctions from here on. Reaction of IAEA and other figure heads. Any ideas?

Political analyst Christopher Hitchens has a deeper insight into the current US-Iran antagonism. He speaks with the decision makers and spends time in Iran.

Though most people don't get it, Iran's Revolutionary Guard is an autonomous government that acts outside the Ayatollah hierarchy with it's own agenda.

He interestingly points out what would be done with atomic capability, and it's not about Israel.

[a portion of a long interview with some editing for brevity]

www.michaeltotten.com...

Interviewer: The big story in 2010 will be Iran. We have this revolution there—I'm not afraid to call it that. We have Iran's terrorist proxies in Gaza and Lebanon. And we have the regime's nuclear weapons program.

Hitchens: Also, in each case, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard—the Pasdaran—is the controlling force.

We have the same bunch overseas where they're not wanted, in Lebanon and even among the Palestinians, conducting assassination missions abroad, shooting down young Iranians in the streets of a major city, and controlling an illegal thermonuclear weapons program. We do have a target. All this has been accumulated under one heading.

I thought that was worth pointing out. It's not "the regime" or "the theocracy." It's now very clear that the Revolutionary Guards have committed a coup in all but name—well, I name it, but it hasn't yet been named generally. They didn't rig an election. They didn't even hold one.

The seizure of power by a paramilitary gang that just so happens to be the guardian and the guarantor and the incubator of the internationally illegal weapons program. If that doesn't concentrate one's mind, I don't know what will.

Interviewer: If the Obama Administration calls you up and says, "Christopher, we need you to come in here, we need your advice." What would you tell them?

Hitchens: I would say, as I did with Saddam Hussein—albeit belatedly, I tried to avoid this conclusion—that any fight you're going to have eventually, have now. Don't wait until they're more equally matched. It doesn't make any sense at all.

The existence of theocratic regimes that have illegally acquired weapons of mass destruction, that are war with their own people, that are exporting their violence to neighboring countries, sending death squads as far away as Argentina to kill other people as well as dissident members of their own nationality—the existence of such regimes is incompatible with us. If there is going to be a confrontation, we should pick the time, not them.

We're saying, "Let's give them time to get ready. Then we'll be more justified in hitting them." That's honestly what they're saying. When we have total proof, when we can see them coming for us, we'll feel okay about resisting.

Unless an Obama Administration person can say to me, "No, the confrontation can be avoided, there isn't really a casus belli here," unless they could persuade me of that, I'd say that once we've decided this, the fight should be on our terms. We should not allow them to get stronger and acquire more of the sinews of warfare.
They'll say I'm asking for war, but I'll say no. I'm not. I'm recognizing that someone is looking for war. We should be firm enough to say "Alright." We didn't look for it. We've tried everything short of war for a long time. Everything. We went to the International Atomic Energy Authority and found them cheating everywhere. Their signature on the Nonproliferation Treaty is worthless. We have the names of members of the Iranian government who are wanted for sending assassins to Europe and Argentina. We know what they've been doing to subvert Lebanon, to make trouble in Iraq.
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There are two clocks running in Persia. One is the emergence of a huge civil society movement—which, by the way, I think was partly created by the invasion of Iraq. The Shia authorities—in Iran, Montazeri, and in Iraq, Sistani —don't take the Velayat-e Faqih view of Khomeini. National minorities like the Kurds and Azeris are also very impatient with the regime.

In the long run, the regime is doomed. The other clock that's running is that of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, which is actually the counter-revolution. These are people who go out into the street and rape and blind and kill young Iranians. They control the nuclear clock, which is running faster. They hope that by acquiring the weapons of mass destruction they can insulate themselves from regime-change. At least this helps us to narrow the target a bit.

How many Iranian dissidents are really going to be nationalistically upset by an intervention that comes in and removes the Revolutionary Guards?

Would we have the nerve to say that was the objective, or would we simply say we're only talking about sites and don't care about Iranian freedom? We'd need to have a generous view of the situation, and we'd need to coordinate it with NATO.
The people who most want this to happen are the Sunni Arab governments.

If the Iranian Revolutionary Guards get the bomb, they won't use it on Israel. They're not so stupid. They certainly won't use it on us.
But they'll use it to blackmail Bahrain first, then Qatar.
What's the point of being a superpower if we say to our allies there's nothing we can do about this, that they're on their own?
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the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, conducted a military coup in Iran last year. It is the author of all the atrocities against women, political prisoners, students, Kurds, and the like. It is identifiably the incubator of the nuclear program, so we can disaggregate things a little that way.

Second—although it's a sad thing—there is international law. If Iran is found to have broken every single one of its agreements, the legal case exists. It may not be a casus belli, but it may be enough for a blockade.

Unfortunately, the votes of the people inside don't count. We know in Burma, as we knew in Iraq and South Africa, that the people are not with the regime. But if they all had been, it wouldn't have made any difference unless international law is determined by the people in the target regime, which it can't be. They don't get a vote.
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Interviewer: If Netanyahu asked you personally for advice, would you give him the same answer that you'd give Obama?

Hitchens: In terms of the repercussions, it doesn’t matter. The United States will be accused of doing the work of the Jews no matter what.
The Israelis blew up the Iraqi reactor, and thank God they did. They overflew Jordan for about ten minutes. The Turks aren't going to let them use their air space. They'll have to overfly Iraq. Everyone will know.

There was a great moment in Doctor Zhivago . They get the news that the czar has been killed, and all his family. One character says it was such a cruel deed, and Zhivago says, "It's to show there is no going back."

Destroy the Revolutionary Guard and some people will complain forever that it was a terrible intervention in Iranian internal affairs…
[but] it's not as bad as having them running Iran and its nuclear program and stoning women and blinding girls. They rape boys in jail.
We can simply say, "We're not going to stay. We're handing the country over to you. We're not occupying. We don't want to stay. We can't wait to get out. And you've been de-Revolutionary-Guardized. Cry all you want."

We will have done them a favor, and ourselves. We have rights, too. The international community has rights. The U.N. has rights. The U.S. has rights. The IAEA has rights. The Iranians made deals with all of them, and they broke them.

[edit on 9-3-2010 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by December_Rain

The reason for that is the blind hypocrisy, every week some or other Western Nation, even lowly ranked US Govt. officials statements are printed against Iran Govt. sometimes mentioning it as a "threat" :sometimes as dictatorship" with repeated statements printing every week says Iran will be attacked..final warning blah blah etc etc, if one starts making list of all the statements back and forth I am sure it will fill couple of pages. That is why it's important to remind every time the war of words is going from both sides and not just from Iran as it's being tried to be projected.

I think we can agree that both countries, and Israel talk "the talk". I think Iran's leader went over the line with that particular statement. I'm not sure if he was in power at that time; I also understand he is not the top dog.

Israel has crossed the line on several occasions. I am not even sure if they are aware that there should be a line.

reply to post by Crakeur


irans leader DID NOT say that israel should be removed from existence.

he said that the zionist regime should be removed.

zionist politicians then conveniently twisted his remarks to include the whole country. it was then given wide publicity in mostly jewish owned media around the world until the whole world takes it as a given.

reply to post by orangutang


it's been covered, read the whole thread.

Ever careful with their chosen metaphor, Iranian leaders carefully world their threats. Invariably someone claims they were mistranslated. This weeks ditty:

thestar.com.my.../2010/3/4/worldupdates/2010-03-04T192156Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-466572-1&sec=Worldupdates

"The occupation of the holy land of Palestine and the endless brutality of the Zionist regime towards innocent Palestinian people is a big wound in the body of the Islamic world," Khamenei said, calling Israel a "dangerous and fatal cancer".

reply to post by Styki


It's very simple. You make the racist, genocidal regime occupying Jerusalem vanish through the process called "justice". ever heard of it? Keep it mind that his statement was referring to the regime, not the people. People in the west need to remove their own lying two-faced government regimes. Apparently nobody knows the difference between regimes and civilians. And if anybody denies that the current regime in Palestine is illegitimate, genocidal, and racist, they have not yet understand the apartheid that is taking place. The Jews were right, there is a Holocaust.... committed by them in Gaza.

[edit on 9-3-2010 by TSawyer]

Originally posted by TSawyer
reply to post by Styki

 

The Jews were right, there is a Holocaust.... committed by them in Gaza.
[edit on 9-3-2010 by TSawyer]

That is a wrong statement and I would say it touches racism. It's not civilians who enforces policies but the Govts. Blanket statement against any religion/ race/ ethnicity/ creed or cast is simply wrong. Secondly the subject is Iran and Israel here, not Palestine. Let's stick to the subject.

I really hope it doesn't come to this or that another false flag is coming this spring!

I'm really not a pro-war advocate on this matter, and I would really prefer some other solution.

And I really don't like the idea of Israel attacking Iran!

But whatever Israel chose to do, if it would come to this? I hope they do it with incredible precision, swiftly and with absolutely no innocent children among the casualties, and with minimal collateral damages for the civilian population in Iran.

And let's hope that a possible attack don't escalate into some crazy nightmarish scenario for us all.

IMHO - I wish that they all just could shut up, and stop war-mongering!

Peace!


[edit on 9-3-2010 by Chevalerous]

Israel has the largest lobby in America. So basicaly they will get what they want and drag us along with them.

Iran is not Iraq and anyone who thinks the Iranians will just roll over is looking through rose tinted glasses. Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Iran has a right to do what they want in their own country and if anyone imagines that the Iranian government could use their new standing as a nuclear country to murder, enslave and bully the ME they are bleeding hypocracy.

There is one country in the ME who has nuclear weapons. A country that ignores international law. A country that openly practices racism, enslavement and illegal imprisonment.

Get the picture, people?

I am not, for one second, going to jump on the big bad Iran bandwagon because its wrong to do so. "Deny Ignorance", embrace fairness and try, for once, kicking the right person.

There are many more Irans in this world to come. What will you do if Israel decides your country is the next one?

Respects

[edit on 9-3-2010 by captiva]

reply to post by December_Rain


"It's not civilians who enforces policies but the Govts"

Didn't I just make that distinction in my post,
in which you failed to quote in its entirety?

Originally posted by captiva
Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Iran has a right to do what they want in their own country

No.. they don't lol.

We've went over this.

reply to post by CanadianDream420


Youve lost me with your quote and reply. Im not sure if you were being sarcastic ( Its been a long day) or were emphasising that some country or countries that have nuclear weapons had decided through law that they werent allowed to have them?? Help me here...

Respects

Originally posted by CanadianDream420

Originally posted by captiva
Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Iran has a right to do what they want in their own country

No.. they don't lol.

We've went over this.

As of yet, Iran has say over and over.... they are not after Nukes.

It's the MSM that has all you people frothing at the mouth.

Remember the MSM?

Remember 5000 talking heads saying over and over .

"Iraq has WMD "

Um, no they didn't.

Use your heads people , for more than a hat rack!

Originally posted by Sean48

As of yet, Iran has say over and over.... they are not after Nukes.

It's the MSM that has all you people frothing at the mouth.

Remember the MSM?

Remember 5000 talking heads saying over and over .

"Iraq has WMD "

Um, no they didn't.

Use your heads people , for more than a hat rack!

Iran not working towards nukes? You got to be kidding. Even they don't realy expect anyone actually to believe this. Just read their endless nuclear weapon justification rhetoricals.

As for MSM. It's just another handy catchphrase like OS for what people refuse to believe.

Washington Post exposes Watergate and gets Nixon impeached. Is that MSM? New York Times reports what the US govt says but also does scathing scandal reporting on political corruption. Is that MSM?

Conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an Inside Job have reached popularity levels it's now mainstream.

Withe Iraq the US blundered badly believing Iranian double agent Chalabi. They were technically in a temporary ceasefire with Saddam Hussein who broke the terms by selling oil black market and other infringements. But they thought the WMD story was better for the public.

It may turn out to be true, in fact. Saddam's biologics were hastily transported to Syria. No one know for sure what he had.

What really goes on, not just the low grade evening news infotainment stuff is all out there. Much still in paper form.

At least with even Fox News if it's wrong you'll hear about it pronto. With all the conspiracy online so much is blatantly falsified disinformation - no one bothers much critiquing it. Just another alternate brand of junk info. Youtube is now firmly a MSM propaganda tool.







[edit on 9-3-2010 by mmiichael]

Of course Iran are building nukes. They'd be stupid not to be.
I mean, Nukes mean that your untouchable once you get them.

Iran arent building powerstations in the mountains are they?

They wernt entertaining Pakistan's Nuclear god farther because he's a nice guy.

Iran need a nuke before Israel and the US strike. Im even willing to bet they'd buy one from pakistan and detonate it just to make it look like they have them.

Whats scary? is that this is the first time a timeframes been publically announced.
Wait for Iran to reply with a '' stronger sanctions will be considered an act of war ''

Iran has no intentions of going one-on-one with Israel, nuclear or otherwise. They just like the media attention and are under the impression it gives them street cred with the Muslim World.

As Christopher Hitchens noted, the Revolutionary Guard control foreign policy and want control of the nukes to protect themselves in the event of regime change - which is inevitable.

They will use this to intimidate Bahrain and Oman into their sphere. Iran only likes to deal with weaker entities like Syria.

Lacking a functional airforce, Israel would clobber them without breaking into a sweat. And they know that.

For the near future expect endless affectation of concern for the Palestinians who they enjoy controlling. Hezbollah is now under the gun to use the Iranian supplied missiles or risk loss of funding.

The provoked backlash from Israel could go in many directions.

The Revolutionary Guard with their rotten diplomacy may have painted themselves into a corner. China, Russia, Europe all worry about them going ballistic.

The Iranian people are realizing themselves captives of an infighting Ayatollah contingency and an aspiring military dictatorship.

We'll see what breaks the ice.

Originally posted by Sean48


As of yet, Iran has say over and over.... they are not after Nukes.

It's the MSM that has all you people frothing at the mouth.

IAEA is now saying they do... Not just CIA and Mossad.

Do you disbelief the IAEA, and if so.. Why? Because they have a new head running the organization?