Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice

Originally posted by David9176
Beck doesn't debate. He's opinion only...all the time.

This my friends is the problem with America today. People like Beck. Now I am all for freedom of speech/press; however, we MUST do something about corporate mouth pieces that spew their opinion to a world wide audience...all the wile, the ignorant masses ingest these opinions as fact...it divides the country and blinds us from the truth.

I actually might support some sort of amendment to the constitution that limits what can be said by the media...so long as it is limited to the media.

I know this is in my signature, but it's appropriate to add to this particular comment I am making:

There are laws to protect the freedom of the press's speech, but none that are worth anything to protect the people from the press. -Mark Twain

reply to post by Aggie Man

This my friends is the problem with America today. People like Beck. Now I am all for freedom of speech/press; however, we MUST do something about corporate mouth pieces that spew their opinion to a world wide audience...all the wile, the ignorant masses ingest these opinions as fact...it divides the country and blinds us from the truth.

The only way to do that is to take away corporate power altogether which would be a daunting task as they control all of the media. Corporations control almost all the opinions that hit the airwaves. That's why "protectionism"...which to me means PROTECTING AMERICAN WORKERS...has been demonized by all spectrums of the political media.

The main problem with Beck is that he yelled about corruption when he first went to Fox News and he is right about that. He was the only one screaming it when people were angry with the bank bailouts so people flooded to him.

But he has since used that anger and tried to direct it into his own fantastical version of history.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard a caller on his radio show state, "Thanks for educating us Glen."

Every undertone of his points almost always caters to the wealthy. People need to look for it. IT IS THERE. I didn't see it before and I bought into the BS.

At least I admit I was wrong. People just need to think for themselves. Do what is best for their family.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Aggie Man

 

Anyhow, I thought you folks might get a laugh out of this...the preacher at this church wants to debate Beck too....not so sure that is a good idea.

Beck doesn't debate. He's opinion only...all the time.

I'm hoping that people are beginning to understand that almost every single point GB makes is always catered to the most wealthy.

Read between the lines people. Know he wants preachers to teach this as well!

As if you debate or follow logic at all. Social justice is undefineable because it means different thing to different people. Beck's not stumbling out of and difficulty in describing his comments. he's dumfounded at the shear ignorance and intentional prevarication and intentional miscummunication of those that think there's a benign intent in support of a gov't-created entitlement class.
Failures want the successful to fail. That's how you know if you is one or not. I think we both know.


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A star just for that sign. Wonderful.

To quote myself from another thread:

beck...the big fat blowhard and their ilk are the political equivalent of televangelists... i.e. what used to be called snake oil salesmen.

They make used car salesmen look like pillars of moral rectitude and honesty.

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miscummunication of those that think there's a benign intent in support of a gov't-created creating an entitlement class.

The real entitlement class of this country are the mega rich and billionares who CONTROL OUR LAWS and the direction of our country.

The only reason there hasn't been an uprising is because of "so-called" entitlements to the poor and struggling who FAR OUTNUMBER the top 1 percent earners in this country.

I don't have a problem with helping the poor and needy.

I just want to do it on my terms. I don't want or need a government or a church to tell me how I'm suppose to help, and how much I'm suppose to pay.

I don't care if a guy is a bazillionaire or an average joe, no one should be telling him what to do with his money, or how to spend it.

You can have someone give $20 to the church, and someone else give nothing, but cleans the church every Sunday. Both have contributed.

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he big fat blowhard and their ilk are the political equivalent of televangelists

Did you know that he's telling people to be evangelists?

"Evangelists for the truth" he states!!!

Beck's solutions to fixing the economy?

Massive tax cuts and massive cuts in spending....except for the WAR of course!! (Let's just ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room right Glen?!?)

In other words...he wants the struggling to suffer more...and the rich to profit even more.

It's crazy the BS he's spouting daily.

I cannot say what I think of that on here without getting at the very least multiple warnings if not banned.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by thatredpill

 

miscummunication of those that think there's a benign intent in support of a gov't-created creating an entitlement class.

The real entitlement class of this country are the mega rich and billionares who CONTROL OUR LAWS and the direction of our country.

The only reason there hasn't been an uprising is because of "so-called" entitlements to the poor and struggling who FAR OUTNUMBER the top 1 percent earners in this country.

NO! You dont get to have your own definitions. That's a liberal trick where anything I mean at any time is what I mean no matter what it meant the second before. Only a loser uses illogic to avoid facing the truth. You know what I mean yet you want to change the meanings of anything you disagree about because even you have enough brain matter left to know you have only losing arguements. Hate the well off, just like jesus did, kill them all and take their fine clothes just like jesus did. Give all the authority to Pontius pilate and the pharasees to administer to the needs of the social community just like jesus did.

OOhhh Yeah, I can see jesus with a bullhorn demanding to take all the money from whitey and fine things from those that had them, by force if necessary , and send them into exile and redistribute jewels and lands and horses and hot women to the poor downtrodden, often persons of color, because that's what jesus did and social justice was what jesus did. And all the blunts and orangotans and breakfast cereals will be in the hands of the people not the evil wealthy.
Define 'social justice', where it is described in the bible or whatever you use as a basis for your philosophy and how you apply it in a real world. Let us know what you really are up close instead of hiding behind high minded ideals and selfish desires.

reply to post by thatredpill

That is totally and completely wrong. So wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Originally posted by thatredpill
OOhhh Yeah, I can see jesus with a bullhorn demanding to take all the money from whitey and fine things from those that had them, by force if necessary , and send them into exile and redistribute jewels and lands and horses and hot women to the poor downtrodden, often persons of color, because that's what jesus did and social justice was what jesus did. And all the blunts and orangotans and breakfast cereals will be in the hands of the people not the evil wealthy.

Whitey?

Now why did you have to go and try to make this a race thing? As if all rich folks are white and all liberals are black

I have zero respect for this type of comment.

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I'll tell you who I am.

I'm middle aged. I make 30,000k a year. I"m a skilled laborer...non union. I have been with the same woman 10 years and have a daughter who is close to a year old.

I'm not a church goer...I don't divulge myself into any liberal or conservative thinking.

I think for myself and will do what is best FOR MY FAMILY as will most any other person.

Cripes man. I"m not replying to the rest of your post...it's pointless.

"Ethic of Reciprocity" passages from the religious texts of various religions:


Bahá'í Faith:
"Ascribe not to any soul that which thou wouldst not have ascribed to thee, and say not that which thou doest not." "Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself." Baha'u'llah
"And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself." Epistle to the Son of the Wolf

Brahmanism: "This is the sum of Dharma [duty]: Do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you". Mahabharata, 5:1517 "

Buddhism:
"...a state that is not pleasing or delightful to me, how could I inflict that upon another?" Samyutta NIkaya v. 353
Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18

Christianity:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King James Version.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31, King James Version.
...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas is one of about 40 gospels that circulated among the early Christian movement, but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).

Confucianism:
"Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23
"Tse-kung asked, 'Is there one word that can serve as a principle of conduct for life?' Confucius replied, 'It is the word 'shu' -- reciprocity. Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.'" Doctrine of the Mean 13.3
"Try your best to treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself, and you will find that this is the shortest way to benevolence." Mencius VII.A.4

Ancient Egyptian:
"Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to circa 1800 BCE and may be the earliest version of the Epic of Reciprocity ever written. 3

Hinduism:
This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you. Mahabharata 5:1517

Humanism:
Humanists acknowledge human interdependence, the need for mutual respect and the kinship of all humanity."
Humanists affirm that individual and social problems can only be resolved by means of human reason, intelligent effort, critical thinking joined with compassion and a spirit of empathy for all living beings. "
bullet "Don't do things you wouldn't want to have done to you, British Humanist Society.

Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 5

Jainism:
"Therefore, neither does he [a sage] cause violence to others nor does he make others do so." Acarangasutra 5.101-2.
"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self." Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara
"A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated. "Sutrakritanga 1.11.33

Judaism:
"...thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.", Leviticus 19:18
"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. This is the law: all the rest is commentary." Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
And what you hate, do not do to any one." Tobit 4:15 6

Native American Spirituality:
Respect for all life is the foundation." The Great Law of Peace.
"All things are our relatives; what we do to everything, we do to ourselves. All is really One." Black Elk
"Do not wrong or hate your neighbor. For it is not he who you wrong, but yourself." Pima proverb.

Roman Pagan Religion: "The law imprinted on the hearts of all men is to love the members of society as themselves."

Shinto:
"The heart of the person before you is a mirror. See there your own form" Munetada Kurozumi
"Be charitable to all beings, love is the representative of God." Ko-ji-ki Hachiman Kasuga

Sikhism:
Compassion-mercy and religion are the support of the entire world". Japji Sahib
"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone." Guru Arjan Devji 259
"No one is my enemy, none a stranger and everyone is my friend." Guru Arjan Dev : AG 1299

Sufism: "The basis of Sufism is consideration of the hearts and feelings of others. If you haven't the will to gladden someone's heart, then at least beware lest you hurt someone's heart, for on our path, no sin exists but this." Dr. Javad Nurbakhsh, Master of the Nimatullahi Sufi Order.

Taoism:
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." T'ai Shang Kan Ying P'ien.
"The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." Tao Teh Ching, Chapter 49

Unitarian Universalism:

"The inherent worth and dignity of every person;"
"Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.... "
"The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;"
"We affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part." Unitarian principles. 7,8

Wicca: "An it harm no one, do what thou wilt" (i.e. do what ever you will, as long as it harms nobody, including yourself). One's will is to be carefully thought out in advance of action. This is called the Wiccan Rede

Yoruba: (Nigeria): "One going to take a pointed stick to pinch a baby bird should first try it on himself to feel how it hurts."

Zoroastrianism:
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself". Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5
bullet "Whatever is disagreeable to yourself do not do unto others." Shayast-na-Shayast 13:29

www.religioustolerance.org...

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reply to post by thatredpill

Now that is just plain wrong...racist and wrong.

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Well let's hope a mod blows up that post. Ridiculous.

GLad we see your true colors thatredpill!!!

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

Well let's hope a mod blows up that post. Ridiculous.

GLad we see your true colors thatredpill!!!

I have alerted them...hopefully they take action...I know they will

reply to post by thatredpill

I suppose you are fricking proud of yourself for that and are really pleased with your wit.

AND you call yourself a Christian. PFFFT.

Well we know where you stand. And it is disgusting...racist...wrong and foul.

I am sure now you will say it was a joke but you just showed your cards buddy and proved yourself not even worth this rebuke.

Into ignore you go.

I am sure that somewhere...maybe on this thread (but I won't see it) he will start going on about how we misunderstood him and have violated his freedom of expression and all that tripe.

Tolerating bigotry is just as bad as the bigotry itself.

But back to the discussion at hand I posted all the versions of the golden rule because they all point out that throughout the ages we have been enjoined to care for our neighbors...if they are in need help them as we can. It is one of the fundamentals of a truly spiritual life... to have compassion and empathy. To care for those in need. And it is at the heart and soul of all the religions including Christianity regardless of what soulless idiots say.

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
But back to the discussion at hand I posted all the versions of the golden rule because they all point out that throughout the ages we have been enjoined to care for our neighbors...if they are in need help them as we can. It is one of the fundamentals of a truly spiritual life... to have compassion and empathy. To care for those in need. And it is at the heart and soul of all the religions including Christianity regardless of what soulless idiots say.

So, if I'm an atheist, can I give this a miss?

Also, how about stepping off with words like, "idiot" and "moron". I notice it's been getting thrown around here on this thread quite a bit. If you don't agree, leave it at that. Constently calling people who might not have the same opinions as you an "idiot" is making you look like one yourself.

Just saying.