Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice

Originally posted by iMacFanatic
is a "code word" for communism and Nazism.

The "And" in that sentence says it all about Beck.. He's twisted in the head..

The worst thing about it is that so many people in your country obviously listen to him.. How messed up are these people??

reply to post by damwel

Now that is funny.

I mean really do you really want someone who fakes tears...who has stated himself that his show doesn't fact check...and gives every indication of being mentally unbalanced informing even less educated or stable people than himself about the news of the day?

Originally posted by belial259
What is Glenn Beck smoking now?

I'm an atheist and even I know that in it's purest form Christianity is about social justice.

You impeach yourself as you admit you have no facility for understanding christianity enough to believe it, so how can you use what you believe to be a fraud to prove a religious point? After all where in nature does equality as a goal appear? Pretty much nature is about rewarding the proper and killing off the defective. No-where in the NT bible is there mention of setting up a govt/police state and forcing people to support someone else against their will. My idea of social justice is not gonna be the same as yours, but I bet you want to send someone to compare me to you and have them make up what you think is the difference, of course I'mm gonna see it that you have more of what I want, but I suspect you'll disagree, but that's the only way it can go, and the result is wild inequities anyway, but based on politics not reality. I suspect social justice for you is intended to be a net gain and passive acceptance of wealth increase for you, not the other way around, ie you aint givin up s%$t for anyone.
There are millions poorer and more desperate than you, what have you personally done for them to make it even? I though so...and rest my case.
Social justice is the promise of equality where none can ever exist. Total equality in all things and desires is not possible because what people want changes moment to moment. No-where in the nt bible does it suggest that everyone should be equal on this earth. NO-where. No-where in the nt bible does anyone accomplish earthly equality in all things, they just end up dead, so why would you use that as an example of earthly social justice however you define it?

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Like I said that is not the Christianity that I know or grew up with.

There may never be social justice but it is still our duty to relieve suffering when and where we can.

Anyone that takes Glen seriously need to seek some professional help. He has come out multiple times saying that he is not a journalist. He is an entertainer.

The problem is that the entertainment he is providing is just pouring fuel on the fire for the conservative nut jobs out there ( not all conservatives are nut jobs) that tore down what this country stood for in the first place, and are now trying to keep people scared and in the dark, preventing any progress from happening in a country that needs it terribly.

This is expected though coming from network television which is so tighly wound around conservitive fingers they can't think for themselves.

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I suggest you read your bible sir... It says over and over again that WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD... It also says that GOD HAS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS and shows no favouritism.. Yeshua and the prophets taught social justice in fact those who do not feed the hungry, visit those who are sick and in prison, plead JUSTICE for the widow and the orphan, clothe the naked shall have have their portion in hell.... I suggest YOU DO go to a church that preaches social justice... Your eternity depends on it

Go to THIS thread and see what TRUE Christianity is about...

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reply to post by iMacFanatic


Since every Communist country to date has failed to reach its utopian state, Communists and socialists everywhere are nowadays using their failure as an argument for their world view. It goes something like this: since we've never seen any "true" Communist country come to life, we can't blame any Communist society for having failed. That's gotta be the worst political argument made in history.

It's not really interesting whether what we've seen so far is "true" Communism or not. What's interesting is WHAT we've seen to come out of this ideology, no matter what we call it or how far it's gone. Genocide, economic chaos, slaughter of the aristocracy and a neurotic culture top the list. To defend or in any way excuse Communism or its little brother socialism by saying we've not seen any "real" socialism come to action is plain absurd. This goes for Communism, just as much as for National Socialism.

The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism.
The workers didn't control the means of production--so what? Sweden is a socialist democratic country, but our workers don't own any means of production. In which country has workers ever done so on a larger scale? This doesn't mean that socialism doesn't exist. It just means that it fails to live up to its ideals.

The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite.
That's Statism, but you might also call it socialism, because the government controls the employers. In America that would be called socialism indeed.

The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike.
...but...

An organization called the “Labor Front” replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers.
How many labor unions today actually represent their workers rather than the elite? If a single political party controls the workers, no matter if it's through a union or not, it's a worship of government. Socialism and Communism work the same way, they just have the ideal of one day replacing that government monopoly with anarchy. Today we know that's never happened. People who still insist that is not socialism, either try to pull a fast one, or have no clue whatsoever what they're talking about.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by thatredpill

 

I suggest you read your bible sir... It says over and over again that WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD... It also says that GOD HAS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS and shows no favouritism.. Yeshua and the prophets taught social justice in fact those who do not feed the hungry, visit those who are sick and in prison, plead JUSTICE for the widow and the orphan, clothe the naked shall have have their portion in hell.... I suggest YOU DO go to a church that preaches social justice... Your eternity depends on it

Go to THIS thread and see what TRUE Christianity is about...

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Are you mental? Have god buy your mercedes and rubbers, then, not me. Pleas show me anywhere where god has made all equal, you cant and they wont ever bee that place here. Everything you seek is of worldly wealth, stolen for you from others for the "Lord" wich is YOU, again I say to you, you are far richer than most of the world, why do you chose to have any more than they do , yet want everyone else that you feel is wealthier than you to make up your difference. That's a hypochrites solution, sir, You have lusts that you want others to fulfill, plain and simple

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Glen Back is not one of my favorite people. The guy makes more noise thn a f****** idiot on steroids. Mr. Beck please go away. Your screaming and yelling on your show is an afrount to people who actually think. Get a grip, or get lost.

Wow. Just WOW.

Looks like Beck is gonna be losing more viewers.

This is disgusting. Does he not realize what Christianity is ABOUT?? It's about mercy, and helping people.



I'm surprised he hasn't said that Islam is communist (it's actually completely AGAINST communism), because they MANDATE that you give a certain percentage of your money to help the poor? Zakat charity is one of the 5 pillars of Islam.

What a sick, sick, man.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


There ain't no God in social justice...it's just envy, very ego-bounded...what mystic oneness requires that nobody is doing any better than me...when they said "become one with the dust of the road, that is called true identification", did that entail worrying about whether the neighbor's dust patch is bigger than mine?

Social justice is for people who know nothing about god-type-stuff...true squares, as it were..."never been west of Lake Charles"...plus the kick is no fun, it wears off, they quickly have to re-up and get into murder ...hee hee hee...

(Jesus said to give your own stuff away...not because of the need of others, but because that frees you...it's got nothing to do with everybody having equal, or how much anybody else has...duh...(I mention Jesus as only one example, yupyup))


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Originally posted by concernedcitizan
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

Since every Communist country to date has failed to reach its utopian state, Communists and socialists everywhere are nowadays using their failure as an argument for their world view. It goes something like this: since we've never seen any "true" Communist country come to life, we can't blame any Communist society for having failed.
The workers didn't control the means of production--so what? Sweden is a socialist democratic country, but our workers don't own any means of production. In which country has workers ever done so on a larger scale? This doesn't mean that socialism doesn't exist. It just means that it fails to live up to its ideals.

The employer, however, was subject to the frequent orders of the ruling Nazi elite.
That's Statism, but you might also call it socialism, because the government controls the employers. In America that would be called socialism indeed.

Communism is about theft and only lasts as long as there is value stored that can be redistributed. There is no natural equivalent of communism, in every system any organism or component work to it's fullest capacity to survive, or die as a failure to be consumed by a victor. So it is a puzzle what natural model exists to form the model for a socialist/communist state, and there is one, and one only. The family functions at times in a communist fashion, but curiously enough, if it doesnt transition to capitalism it results in predictable and repeadted social pathology, as capitalism and the self sufficiency that it requires to be mature, always beats the dependent, permanent immaturity of communism. IN ANY EVENT, THE MANAGERS OF COMMUNISTIC STATES PRACTICE CLASSIC CAPITALSIM FOR THEMSELVES. There have never been any successful communist states after the producers of actual wealth are killed off and their value has been redistributed and wasted among the unproductive. That's why many millions die for the communist state, so their value can be confiscated. Curious how some propose a version of christianity that is essentially a state moderated, theologic communism, where alleged christian ideaa are made worldly and similar to mudlism, turned into a political theocracy bent on revenge upon those deemed unpopular or apostate.

Originally posted by arbiture
reply to post by iMacFanatic

 

Glen Back is not one of my favorite people. The guy makes more noise thn a f****** idiot on steroids. Mr. Beck please go away. Your screaming and yelling on your show is an afrount to people who actually think. Get a grip, or get lost.

Would this be you love one another speech or your free speech speech?
Do you want beck to be equal to you or you to be equal to him?

reply to post by thatredpill


The problem is the amount of self-reflective people is a minority, this means the best of both the left and the right are rarely if ever heard from, and mediocre people always think they know everything, while the wise are full of doubt.

“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.”--Bertrand Russell

Originally posted by thatredpill
Communism is about theft...

...IN ANY EVENT, THE MANAGERS OF COMMUNISTIC STATES PRACTICE CLASSIC CAPITALSIM FOR THEMSELVES.

Your first statement is wrong for a variety of reasons especially since in the communist ideal everyone shares equally NOT in private property...but in the goods and products of the state...and in the communist ideal the people are the state.

I do agree with the second though.

I really do suggest you read up on the different economic systems.

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"I don't get it. THIS guy is many peoples political guru? Are you serious?

Sure, that was 24 years ago. If he would go to those lengths to promote some lame morning show then what do you think he would do now for ratings?

Ratings. That's what it's all about. The wackier he is the more people seem to tune in.

Truthfully, I read the OP and was a little confused. Social justice and churches? HUH? What is he on? Seems like he is picking a fight for no reason other than to fight with someone. I don't pay attention to the guy"

Well yes Glen Beck is a demagogue. Demagoguery is his entire bag.. He just likes to stir it all up back make sure that the idiots just lap up his deranged thinking because they are far too lazy to investigate political theories and economics. ANd why should they because the researcher behind Glen have done the work for them and spoon fed the ventriloquist's dummy (Beck) to deliver the illusion that he has thought about anything apart for a worm body and something to eat.
His latest trope - National Socialism = Socilialism = Communism was tired at the end of the second world war and even more so now.

the simple fact is that in some ways the two had the same outcomes a rule well fed ruling clique with oppressed masses with a liberal dose of mass murder chucked in.

One cannot have a political debate with a demagogue because they do not know politics all they know is rabble rousing.



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Originally posted by undo
WARNING: Glenn Beck is a mormon. Mormons have some serious info about the inner workings of strongholds on the planet. They aren't just a religion. They are a masonic-based religion with powerful ties all over the planet. ..... Something's afoot and if anyone knows about it, you can bet the esoteric, powerful orgs, like mormonism, will.

Likewise, Scientology (Roscrucian origin) and Jehova Witness (Knights Templar beginnings)

These three are more bold about their illuminati-masonic connection and maybe they are more "upline" than the others. However, you can still find Illuminati-masonic imagery in the stained glass windows of a Methodist church. The genie lamp, the eternal flame torch, brotherhood of the snake images, Baphomet hand gestures, secret handshake logos, cross and crown, etc. etc.








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Originally posted by iMacFanatic

Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice

www.politicsdaily.com

On his daily radio and television shows last week, Fox News personality Glenn Beck set out to convince his audience that "social justice," the term many Christian churches use to describe their efforts to address poverty and human rights, is a "code word" for communism and Nazism. Beck urged Christians to discuss the term with their priests and to leave their churches if leaders would not reconsider their emphasis on social justice.

"I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!"

Later, Beck held up cards, one with a hammer and sickle and other with a swastika. "Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the right. That's what people say. But they both subscribe to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. . . . But on each banner, read the words, here in America: 'social justice.' They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy."

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Now Glenn Beck has a problem with social justice? I guess I should not be to surprised. His protoconservative ideals are obselete. Mr. Beck, please crawl back into the hole you came from.

I think that by using the exact phrase "social justice" he is directing this at Catholics specifically as they use the term very consistently. I think American Episcopalians also use it in the same way. Where does he get off? I haven't found Mormons to care about or help anyone outside their church but I'm speaking only from personal experience so I may be wrong about that...it may not be a Mormon policy per se but it's pretty observable to those of us living out West in the USA. Any Mormons here who could tell me more about this?