Glenn Beck Urges Listeners to Leave Churches That Preach Social Justice

folks are we talking here about socialism?
it's an ideal. it only works in theory.
in practical reality, it drives everyone to abject poverty

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I just had to add this the moment I found it, courtesy of WarOne on DakkaDakka.com

Originally posted by undo
folks are we talking here about socialism?
it's an ideal. it only works in theory.
in practical reality, it drives everyone to abject poverty

Go talk to most of the rest of the developed world.

Most of Europe are a mix of socialism...democracy and capitalism. And they seem to be doing quite well.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


a mix, yes. but we're heading toward full blown socialism, and that ain't good.
we're already many times more socialistic than was ever intended or dreamed of by the forefathers of the country. i agree with the idea of helping people. i don't agree with the government handling it. not their job. soon as they got into the business of doing it, we lost a bunch of freedoms and they have continued to erode in pace with the new social laws added. soon there'll be laws about every blasted thing we do. things only we are supposed to be concerned with (you are a PERSON, not a robot to be programmed) have now become the responsibility of our government.

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Originally posted by ExPostFacto
"social justice" is only scary for people that are doing great in this messed up system.

If you feed something, you get more of it.
If you reward people for "need", you get more incapable losers.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


Yea, I saw that. He didn't tell anyone to leave that didn't want to. He was just educating people that "social justice" is code for socialism...which it is.

reply to post by iMacFanatic


i agree, they DO seem to be doing bankrupt...i mean, quite well.

Originally posted by iMacFanatic

Originally posted by undo
folks are we talking here about socialism?
it's an ideal. it only works in theory.
in practical reality, it drives everyone to abject poverty

Go talk to most of the rest of the developed world.

Most of Europe are a mix of socialism...democracy and capitalism. And they seem to be doing quite well.

'Seem to be doing quite well], HUH? Where do you get your world news? The socialist states are bankrupt. Theyre finishing up the party before the sheriff shows up with the eviction notice. The sheriffs taking his time because he knows that after the first house is emptied, all the rest of the homes on the street needs to be put out too, and for the same reason.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Kailassa

 

that only works if you have sustainable situation to begin with. for example, hubby was out of work for a year, had post traumatic stress disorder from being in both wars, and i am handicapped. to survive we had to borrow from relatives
and let everything in our house break. our washer broke, our dishwasher broke, our furnace and air conditioner broke (and we live in florida), our vaccum cleaner broke, our carpet cleaner broke, our sprinkler system broke, and i was recovering from breast cancer, chemo and the onset of type 2 diabetes, not to mention recovery from gulf war syndrome that put me in a coma on total life support several years ago.

on top of that , all 3 dogs came down with some strange illness that killed one of them, and crippled another. we took them to the vet but vet had no idea what to do for them and that money came out of our food money, which was already severly limited.

i called humane society to ask for help with our oldest dog, who needed to be put to sleep but we didn 't have the money to do it. they never returned my calls. we had everything turned off that we could afford to turn off except the vitals and internet. because he was job hunting and most of the places required he submit his applications on the internet, we kept internet going, electricity, water, and mortgage, but the rest of our bills went 3 months or more in arrears, which caused the interest rates to skyrocket and additional fees attached, which in turn, increased the monthly payment.

mind you, we're both older. i'm 51 and he's 50. he qualifies for 70% disability because he's so messed up from the war (they gave him anthrax shots in both wars! pilots were quitting the air force just to avoid those shots). we were originally donating to policemen, firemen, and disabled workers charities, but as the debt increased the money available to help and still survive at some level of decency, was pretty non-existent. we had 2 choices. eat or send money to people who were already eating but were asking for charitable donations.

at the same time, i developed horrible diabetic neuropathy. it was so bad, i couldn't lift a coffee cup. take the lid off a jar that was already open, or walk on my feet. doctors told me it was somatic disorder, not realizing i had diabetes and i became almost entirely bedridden with nothing but ibuprofen to stave off the pain. and we couldn't afford the ibuprofen.

i mean you really have to consider not everyone's circumstances will match your own.

I sympathise with the troubles you have had, but don't make assumptions about my life.

I had to leave my husband when our youngest was 4 because he was injuring them and I could not get help from the police or the courts. My daughter was too afraid to admit what he'd done to her, my middle child was too handicapped to answer questions, and my youngest was autistic.

I got no financial help from my husband and could not turn to any family for help as they were violent and had sexually abused me and my daughter.

As well as being broke, raiding the supermarket dumpsters for food and having to take my wheelbarrow for miles along the train-line at night to find wood to warm my children who were sick through the winters, I was chronically ill with pleurisy and suffering from severe depression and multiple personality syndrome.

Now I'm not telling anyone else what they should do, but I feel God's constant presence beside me, not only giving me the strength to cope but making sure I had what other people needed when they came to me for help, has been an ongoing miracle.

The truth of Christianity is that Jesus has reminded us that we are all "family", and charged us with helping one another. Any church that does not teach this is not Christian.

The idea that a church conveying the teachings of Christ is forcing people to give is nonsense. It's just like a doctor telling you to eat fruit each day; good advice, but it's entirely your choice whether you take any notice.

reply to post by Kailassa


but beck isn't warning people not to give, nor is he saying the teaching of giving is wrong. what he's saying is the phrase "social justice" indicates the church in question is socialist. it does smack of mccarthyism but so does its polar opposite, that charge that conservatism = nazism.

i realize we need more support in our communities for people who are experiencing issues such as yours, but making sure the community is totally run, taxed and legislated to death by a socialistic government is not the answer.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Kailassa

 

but beck isn't warning people not to give, nor is he saying the teaching of giving is wrong. what he's saying is the phrase "social justice" indicates the church in question is socialist. it does smack of mccarthyism but so does its polar opposite, that charge that conservatism = nazism.

i realize we need more support in our communities for people who are experiencing issues such as yours, but making sure the community is totally run, taxed and legislated to death by a socialistic government is not the answer.

Social justice is referred to in many places, in many ways, in the old testament. It was considered to be society's responsibility to care for the the orphaned, the widowed and the destitute. This is a pillar of the Jewish faith which Christianity was tacked on to. One purpose of tithing (the obligatory giving of a percentage of one's foodstuffs,) was to have food to give to those in need.

Jesus made it clear this obligation to help the needy also applied to his followers, and promised to judge the whole world, not by peoples' goodness or faith, but by their charity.

Now you can call this socialism, Nazi-ism, communism, or whatever other name you dream up, but the fact is it is also Christianity.


And by the way, I was not suggesting I should have support from the community myself. I was pointing out that, even during the worst of my difficulties, I have been able to help others in need. And I credit that ability to help from God, and thank him stirring my heart and making me able to help.


Now, if you are not a Christian, why do you care what is taught in its churches? And if you are, why would you not want them to present the teachings of Jesus?

reply to post by Kailassa


no, it isn't society's responsibility, it was a community issue. a familial issue. not a government issue. look at the amish. they do these things as a community, not at the behest of government. we could all learn a lot from them.

this guy makes a good point. if the guy paying the taxes has so many taxes on him that he can no longer afford to buy anything, the system breaks down. without money to buy your neighbor's lawn sculpture service, your neighbor also suffers, making them also dependent on the government. it snowballs on itself until it looks like this


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reply to post by undo

So you're not interested in what the bible has to say - which is fine, but this thread is about what is being preached in churches.

Social justice is a pillar of both the Christian and Jewish faiths, so perhaps your beef is with these faiths as a whole, rather than with the individual churches in which this faith is preached.

You say caring for the needy should be the responsibility of the community, not of society. Society in a civilised country is one large community. It a whole community is suffering from a disaster, flooding, hurricane, earthquake or whatever, should not the larger community be ready to help those involved in an organised way?

You are worried about taxes. Perhaps you should be looking at where these taxes are going. In Australia the government spends less per head on health the the American government does, but provides what you call "socialised medicine' out of that budget. How? By not allowing wealthy "for profit" companies rort the system.

America is spending a fortune on aggression, invading Iraq and Afghanistan, interfering in Iran. You complain about taxes and blame them onto support given to the needy, and never blink an eyelid about the public purse being drained to massacre innocent families overseas and carpet the lands with deadly depleted uranium dust.

Have you looked at wages to see why taxes are a burden? Companies are holding wages down by trucking in illegals. These people are treated terribly and their presence as virtual slaves has an effect on the wages in all blue-collar work, as they will always need cheap, cash-in-hand jobs.

The world has problems that won't be solved by the "stuff you" mentality going around.

Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by undo

 

So you're not interested in what the bible has to say - which is fine, but this thread is about what is being preached in churches.

Social justice is a pillar of both the Christian and Jewish faiths, so perhaps your beef is with these faiths as a whole, rather than with the individual churches in which this faith is preached.

You say caring for the needy should be the responsibility of the community, not of society. Society in a civilised country is one large community. It a whole community is suffering from a disaster, flooding, hurricane, earthquake or whatever, should not the larger community be ready to help those involved in an organised way?

You are worried about taxes. Perhaps you should be looking at where these taxes are going. In Australia the government spends less per head on health the the American government does, but provides what you call "socialised medicine' out of that budget. How? By not allowing wealthy "for profit" companies rort the system.

America is spending a fortune on aggression, invading Iraq and Afghanistan, interfering in Iran. You complain about taxes and blame them onto support given to the needy, and never blink an eyelid about the public purse being drained to massacre innocent families overseas and carpet the lands with deadly depleted uranium dust.

Have you looked at wages to see why taxes are a burden? Companies are holding wages down by trucking in illegals. These people are treated terribly and their presence as virtual slaves has an effect on the wages in all blue-collar work, as they will always need cheap, cash-in-hand jobs.

The world has problems that won't be solved by the "stuff you" mentality going around.

Are you intentionally disregarding the differences in definition of social justice or are no not very smart?
Point out to me what passages in any non new age bible have the term "social justice" or "economic justice". I'll make it easy, NONE. When you try to argue oabout interpretations of interpretations you can make any discussion you want. You can only discuss the original concepts and events. Point out where jesus forces anyone to surrender wealth to the state, so that the state takes its cut and passes out the remainder. I didnt happen. So someones interpretation of what was intended doesnt count, as my interpretation is no less valid than any other mortal, except that mine are't based on the lust and covetousness that is the basis for forced redistribution of wealth. Jesus understood and demonstrated at every possible juncture that one takes full responsibility for ones own actions and should do it with grace, not find some reason to judge, punish or deflect personal blame onto others by personal or state involvement. Regardless any professed higher or holy purpose, promoting theft or accepting the profits of theft is still theft, and its most basic element is never charity or kindness, but theft and the lie of entitlement that all theft is based on

[edit on 11-3-2010 by thatredpill]

From the New York times:

thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...

Last week, the conservative Fox television host Glenn Beck called on Christians to leave their churches if they hear any preaching about social or economic justice because, he claimed, those are slogans affiliated with Nazism and Communism.

This week, the Rev. Jim Wallis, a liberal evangelical leader in Washington. D.C., called on Christians to leave Glenn Beck.

"What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show," wrote Mr. Wallis, who heads the anti-poverty group Sojourners, on his "God's Politics" blog. "His show should now be in the same category as Howard Stern."

Mr. Beck, in vilifying churches that promote "social justice," managed to insult just about every mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, African American, Hispanic and Asian congregation in the country - not to mention plenty of evangelical ones.

Even Mormon scholars in Mr. Beck's own church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said in interviews that Mr. Beck seems ignorant of just how central social justice teaching is to Mormonism.

More proof if any was needed that beck is a moron.

He spent most of his entire 3 hour radio show this morning on the defensive on what he said about leaving churches who preach social justice. He only accepted caller who agree with himself as well.

He's stumbled quite a bit this week.

We need to teach in our churches as well that the RICH SHOULD GET RICHER!!!

Thanks Beck!!! Your an American hero.

Jackass.

And btw...

What kind of church teaches Social Injustice? Is that what Beck wants?

I hope this hurts him...I think it has already actually.

There is a story on CNN.com regarding this. Here is a link to a photograph of a sign a church put out in response to Beck.

i.cdn.turner.com...

Now, I am agnostic...but that doesn't mean that I'm not in the same train of thought as good old Jesus in this case.

Anyhow, I thought you folks might get a laugh out of this...the preacher at this church wants to debate Beck too....not so sure that is a good idea.

reply to post by Aggie Man

Anyhow, I thought you folks might get a laugh out of this...the preacher at this church wants to debate Beck too....not so sure that is a good idea.

Beck doesn't debate. He's opinion only...all the time.

I'm hoping that people are beginning to understand that almost every single point GB makes is always catered to the most wealthy.

Read between the lines people. Know he wants preachers to teach this as well!

reply to post by nine-eyed-eel

If you feed something, you get more of it.

Yep...that's right.

We've been feeding the rich and we're getting more of them..



I just want to know how long are some people on this website going to continue to defend multi-billionares who don't give a FLYING F about any of us?

The same pricks who will willingly leave our country to employ other people as slave labor in other countries?

They left us high and dry...but yes....LET'S ATTACK THE POOR and those who have been the victims of this chaos.

Geezus.