The Final Minutes of the South Tower - The flaming inferno

That would be an average of more than 8 floors crushing and pulverizing into fine powder every second. Say one thousand and one and 8 floors are crushed and pulverized that quickly. Without explosives?

But at the same time, the hundreds of 4 ton exterior wall sections are hurled outward in every direction for up to 600 feet; 8 floors of exterior wall sections hurled outward every second. Without explosives?

And at the same time the interior connections to the heavy core structure are severed; 8 floors of core connections every second. Without explosives?

And finally, how did the rooftop antenna, standing on the heavy core section, drop first, before the upper roofline moved downward? Without explosives?

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).

wtc.nist.gov...

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11 seconds? Oh lord, not again.

SPreston, it has been stated numerous times, the WTC did not collapse in 11 seconds. The widely akcnowledged times of total collapse are between 15-30 seconds.

What DID get ackowledged was the time it took for the initial debris to hit the ground, roughly 11 seconds, but as seen from videos of the collapse, even that timing is conservative. And before you drag NIST into this and their timing of the debris to impact the ground here is what they have to say:

6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).

bolding mine

Look again....



The top of the tower and the antenna fall at the same rate as the floors that were hit by the initial impact collapse first.

Originally posted by Six Sigma
Sorry, I just don't see or hear any explosions that are consistent with a controlled demolition. I believe the evidence we have seen and heard is quite telling in what happened.

I just have to ask why you would expect to hear any evidence of CD explosions on any of the video from that day?

Originally posted by CalibratedZeus
Look again....

The top of the tower and the antenna fall at the same rate as the floors that were hit by the initial impact collapse first.

No you are quite mistaken.

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The antenna starts to drop on frame 9. The roofline starts to drop on frame 11. Do your own measuring and you will see that the core was severed first. Try to be honest and scientific about it.

The camera is stationary according to the guywire in the lower left corner. On my monitor, the distance between A (top of frame) and C is a hair over 7/8" on every frame but 11 and 12.

The distance between B and C is 25/32" on every frame except 9, 10, 11, and 12. The antenna is most definitely moving down first.

Antenna from South Tower roof

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reply to post by SPreston


Gravity. It is as simple as that. The structure put in place to keep the buildings in check was damaged extensively. Multiple pictures posted have shown that.


And since we are talking about the WTC let's all stay there. Comparing these two buildings is pointless because they are not of similar construction. Also, the building in question was not filled with office equipment from wall to wall as it was under construction at the time. There is also no jet fuel to ignite and start those fires but simple fireworks. it is imperative to look at all angles and not one...

Also, listen to this. It is audio of the South tower actually collapsing.

www.metacafe.com...




[edit on 17-3-2010 by esdad71]

Originally posted by jthomas
You can listen to ae911truth's recording in the OP. If you're confused what floors they were on in the specific recordings provided, let us know.

I am talking about transcripts from the firemen who made it to the 78th floor. No reports of jet fuel fires on the lower floors

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I would estimate the antenna has dropped about 25 feet in frame 10, and the North Tower roofline has not moved down at all.

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Jet fuel splashed into 74 th floor - fortunately did not ignite

"...I sat down with this guy who became my "buddy." Tim's story was that he was on the 86th floor of the second tower, when the plane hit the first tower. They started to evacuate, but after going down a dozen flights they were instructed that it was only the first tower that had been hit and that they could go back. So he was opening the door on the 74th floor at the exact moment that the second plane crashed into the 74th floor. He actually saw the wing before the explosion. He was splashed with jet fuel, but the explosion blew him back into the stairwell, saving his life. With other people helping him, because he was blinded by the jet fuel, he ran down 74 flights of stairs. A medic was lavaging his eyes when the first building fell. www.episcopal-dso.org...

Fire reported on 77th floor stairwell

77th floor
Brian Clark: Somewhere around the 77th floor, the stairway walls were cracked, and you could look through the cracks and see flames. They were just quietly licking up, not a roaring inferno. And there was some smoke there, but again I think the stairs were pressurized, pushing the air out so we had less smoke in the stairway than you might imagine.

Fireball 70th floor elevator shaft

70th floor, Clyde Ebanks: "I think now, these popping sounds were coming out of the elevator shafts because of the fireball that was coming down. The popping sounds, I think, were the elevator doors opening up because of the fireball." (Richard Bernstein: Out of the Blue. New York: Times Books, 2002. p. 222)

Jet fuel and fires reported several floors below the impact zone

Originally posted by thedman
Jet fuel and fires reported several floors below the impact zone

But not by the firemen who made it to the 78th floor. Guess they must have burned out by then?

[edit on 18-3-2010 by REMISNE]

reply to post by REMISNE


These accounts are from time of impact or shortly after

How long do you think it took them to reach the 78 th floor? Even with
help of freight elevator still had climb of nearly 40 floors . Were only just reaching impact area when building collapsed.....

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by thedman
Jet fuel and fires reported several floors below the impact zone

But not by the firemen who made it to the 78th floor. Guess they must have burned out by then?

[edit on 18-3-2010 by REMISNE]

They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

Originally posted by thedman
How long do you think it took them to reach the 78 th floor? Even with
help of freight elevator still had climb of nearly 40 floors . Were only just reaching impact area when building collapsed.....

Originally posted by jthomas
They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

So your agreeing the official story is wrong then about all the jet fuel fires on the lower floors?



[edit on 19-3-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by thedman
How long do you think it took them to reach the 78 th floor? Even with
help of freight elevator still had climb of nearly 40 floors . Were only just reaching impact area when building collapsed.....

Originally posted by jthomas
They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

So your agreeing the official story is wrong then about all the jet fuel fires on the lower floors?

Check out the video in the OP. They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

Originally posted by jthomas
Check out the video in the OP. They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

Just too bad the firemen making it to the 78th fllor reported no jet fuel fires on the lower floors as stated by the official story.

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by jthomas
Check out the video in the OP. They reported what they, themselves, saw. No mystery there.

Just too bad the firemen making it to the 78th fllor reported no jet fuel fires on the lower floors as stated by the official story.

The recordings of those particular firemen are the "official story." It's in their own words, as you can hear.

It's too bad they died and ae911truth.org hasn't yet retracted its misrepresentation of those particular firemen the video, don't you agree?

Originally posted by jthomas
It's too bad they died and ae911truth.org hasn't yet retracted its misrepresentation of those particular firemen the video, don't you agree?

Whats really bad is all the facts leading up to the point that there was no big inferno of jet fule fires, and certianly not enough to burn long enough or get hot enough to casue the collapse.

According to transcripts from at least one firefighting unit, videos / photos, and fire experts.

Also you should do research and stop just quoting one site.



[edit on 19-3-2010 by REMISNE]

Originally posted by REMISNE

Originally posted by jthomas
It's too bad they died and ae911truth.org hasn't yet retracted its misrepresentation of those particular firemen the video, don't you agree?

Whats really bad is all the facts leading up to the point that there was no big inferno of jet fule fires, and certianly not enough to burn long enough or get hot enough to casue the collapse.

There is no mystery where they were burning nor that the fires were burning the contents on the floors where the jets hit and damaged. Nor is it a mystery that none of the firemen reached those floors above them. The only mystery is why ae911truth.org misrepresented facts in its video in the OP. What's really bad is all the facts that ae911truth misrepresented.

According to transcripts from at least one firefighting unit, videos / photos, and fire experts.

According to all of the evidence, there is no mystery of where the major fires were burning and that firemen and occupants weren't burning to death where there were no fires

Also you should do research and stop just quoting one site.

Research was done years ago. But if you would like some information here's some for you from Dec 2001.

Nearly everyone's fate inside the two 110-story towers was sealed the moment the jets hit.

In the north tower, American Airlines Flight 11 struck the 93rd through 98th floors and wrecked the stairwells on the 92nd floor. At the crash and above, 1,360 people died; none survived. Below the crash line, 72 died and more than 4,000 survived. Floors could not be determined for two people who died in the north tower.

In the south tower, United Airlines Flight 175 struck the 78th through 84th floors. The higher wing cut into the offices of Euro Brokers, a financial trading firm. The fuselage tore into Fuji Bank offices on the 79th through 82nd floors.

Of 599 fatalities in the south tower, only four worked below the crash area. Nobody who worked on the 58th floor or lower is known to have died.

"For many on Sept. 11, survival was no accident"
www.usatoday.com...

Will you join me now in asking why ae911truth.org misrepresented the facts in its recruitment video in the OP, REMISNE?

Originally posted by jthomas
I am interested how Architects and Engineers intend to explain its discrepancy and whether they will correct it and when.

You can contact AE911T with your discrepancies and ask them yourself if they will correct it and when.

I would lay any amount of money down that if firefighters had made it to 80, the alleged inferno would be on 81 instead of 80.

It's quite convenient that just when firefighters were getting ready to start putting out fires in the south tower, that's the tower that collapsed first, even though it sustained less structural damage than the north tower. "They" had to hurry up and knock down the south tower before the fires were put out because that would destroy the official story that "they" had planned.