Please read, this is very important "Joe Stack and John Bedell Connection"

I'd love for him to go in depth about the hacking end of this little operation. I'm sure there are more than enough established hackers / I.T. engineers in this community to scrutinize the evidence. That alone could put an end to all of this. Leaving his post vague (with the exception of a common form of encryption that could be found in 2 seconds using any search engine) ranks this right up there with the flying spaghetti monster for me; entertaining but utterly lacking any real substance. When and if he presents any valid evidence I'm sure his claims will be taken more seriously.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by iamoverrated]

Originally posted by Pocky
I believe, that thanks to this very important information, the now have changed the story about this guy in the media.

Now they are saying he had a history of mental illness and was bipolar.

I was just getting ready to post about this. I was noticing on cnn last night that the story had been changed around. It's also very interesting that they are starting to talk more and more about "conspiracy" web sites and referring to them as "anti goverment" and "right wing conspiracy theorists" and how these sites are "stirring up" dangerous information. And now connecting sites like ATS as being basically a place where the mentally ill people post about things such as "9/11 truth".

Anyone see what is happening here? They are starting to get it out into the mainstream that not only was the pentagon shooter "mentally ill" but so are conspiracy theorists, and people like us who come to sites like ats.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Asherah]

Originally posted by Asherah

Originally posted by Pocky
I believe, that thanks to this very important information, the now have changed the story about this guy in the media.

Now they are saying he had a history of mental illness and was bipolar.

I was just getting ready to post about this. I was noticing on cnn last night that the story had been changed around. It's also very interesting that they are starting to talk more and more about "conspiracy" web sites and referring to them as "anti goverment" and "right wing conspiracy theorists" and how these sites are "stirring up" dangerous information. And now connecting sites like ATS as being basically a place where the mentally ill people post about things such as "9/11 truth".

Anyone see what is happening here? They are starting to get it out into the mainstream that not only was the pentagon shooter "mentally ill" but so are conspiracy theorists, and people like us who come to sites like ats.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Asherah]

Just saw this as well and its been bugging me, not that it backs up the story posted in the OP, but jesus they've got their claws out when it comes to people who don't automatically believe the official story on the 5 o'clock news. Its all a joke. First people on conspiracy websites are a danger and considered to be one step down from domestic terrorist and then a few hours later you'll have a pundit on laughing about how we're harmless tinfoil cap wearing nutbags. Everything on the news seems to be so wishy-washy as to distract the masses and appeal to either their sense of fear or entertainment. Its like they're writing history and current events to fit an agenda that only serves their best interest, which leads me to believe that A.) we'll never really know what happens or B.) the evidence and ideas posted on alternative sites, such as ATS, will soon become more accurate than CNN (hell, it probably already is).

I've read through most of this thread and although the OP's story seems a bit out there, even for me, I'm not sure it is entirely false. Has anyone seen how the military keeps tracks of the gps satellites in orbit 24/7?? I believe it was shown on the disovery channel or discovery science. This guy was interviewing them and they stated that all the satellites needed to constantly be synced with the time on Earth because time in orbit runs a tiny bit faster than here on the planet.

Now if they didn't sync the time then the satellites supposedly just flew off their course. If left alone then time would be ahead of ours depending on how long they left it running. Does this mean that the satellites are in the future? I'm not really sure, but I suppose anything is possible. I wonder if the space station is in the future as well? LoL. Maybe superman flying around the planet really fast isn't so so far fetched after all. If this was mentioned in this thread then my apologies, but I didn't see anything related to it.

Check it out for yourselves
Gravitational time dilation

[edit on 6-3-2010 by stigup]

But how in the world would one get a satellite up to the necessary speed? It would have to be traving at the speed of light dam near? How could it be half in and half out of the future? The thing would probably fly out of orbit anyway.

There may be good answers to the questions but probably not. This all looks like dis info to make some look nutsoid beyond what us alread known.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Logarock]

As interesting as this story is, we need to let this thread die.

Threads like these are ruining ATS and the minds of the people reading/posting in these threads. Why do you think the MSM is saying that conspiracy theorist are nut cases?

If I were to show this thread to someone who doesn't post on ATS, they would laugh and probably never visit this site unless they needed another good laugh. Yes ATS has a lot of good information, but threads like these, as I said, are ruining it and the little reputation we have left as conspiracy theorists. I don't blame people for saying some conspiracy theorists are nutjobs because honestly, some really are... take this thread for example.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
As interesting as this story is, we need to let this thread die.

Threads like these are ruining ATS and the minds of the people reading/posting in these threads. Why do you think the MSM is saying that conspiracy theorist are nut cases?

If I were to show this thread to someone who doesn't post on ATS, they would laugh and probably never visit this site unless they needed another good laugh. Yes ATS has a lot of good information, but threads like these, as I said, are ruining it and the little reputation we have left as conspiracy theorists. I don't blame people for saying some conspiracy theorists are nutjobs because honestly, some really are... take this thread for example.

I didn't intend to post in this thread because I don't know anything about this subject at all and there is nothing for me to add to either side of it. But I WILL post to your comment.

What conspiracy theories are OK to post about then? Who gets to decide which ones have value? Who gets to decide what information is good information, as you put it? You say that you like ATS for the good information you get from it yet you want to limit the "information" that is available on it. Which topics are OK? 9/11, UFOs?

If you're embarrassed then simply don't tell people you post here. But, please don't advocate limiting what's available here just because of your own personal feelings about certain topics.

I like it.

It's making me think.
I am not taking the path of the poster is right OR wrong.

I'm just sitting back and learning a bit.
IE People are posting stuff written by Tesla. I read it.

Other than that, it is entertaining.
BTW, I think the guy is awake and back over at GLP, looked like it to me.

reply to post by Iamonlyhuman


I didn't say we should limit whats available here, if I did then please quote me on that.

What I meant by my post is that crap like this should not get this sort of attention, it just undermines the "deny ignorance" motto here at ATS.

And don't try and tell me "Well that's why it's getting so much attention!"

This story is a bunch of crap, interesting, but crap. I don't care what people post here on ATS and I welcome whatever anyone has to say and share, but like I said, let this thread die, period.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


If you don't like the thread, then quit posting and let it die FOR YOU.
If the rest of us want to continue to think about it, and talk about it, why limit our free speech?

It's my understanding that Tesla did not think Einstein's Relativity was right. I always wondered if there were 2 physics. One with very practical applications, that only a few know about, and then general relativity which we keep being taught.

It seems like, if something like chaos magick is starting to grab the world. It might just be people losing reason because the technology has advanced too fast, or it might be because there IS a secret technology.

Can anyone explain why clocks run faster at higher velocity but the twin paradox says the twin going faster ages more slowly?

I don't know all that much about the physics. There was an interesting post about the sats using data frame drag on the actual information to increase the speed. I don't know enough about that, but it SOUNDS familiar, for what my memory is worth. Heck, I'm one of the people Australia moved for. lol Never mind me....

From the computer security standpoint - there's only a few things I'm really wondering about - the guy speaks truth as I know it about such things as when he says "Pen testing is the most dangerous part of the operation because it is the most intrusive" That's true. When pen testing, even if you don't 'get caught' you can sometimes screw stuff up, like start a run away process on a mainframe that normally purrs along with no problems...

That said, we never used actual cryptographers to do anything - a knowledge of crypto was needed & crypto tools...but then I never tried to pen test the NSA either, so I dunno. I dunno how many people can speak with authority about THAT. lol

I also question his need to tunnel through that many PCs, but its no biggie to write a script to do it and it could have been something he developed over time.

reply to post by Asherah


Am gonna go see my doctor and tell him I have ATS Desease. See if he can presrcibe something.

It just dawned on me that perhaps, and I said, "PERHAPS" that the Electromagnetic wave function portion of this mystery is coming from HAARP.

Yes, I know HAARP gets over used and blamed for everything, but since we are looking for something that produces Electromagnetic Waves on a large scale basis not fully known to the public and once again, HAARP comes to mind as somehow being a player in this supposed claim that the NSA is using a space borne satellite to see into the future.

While I realize that this idea is completely conspiratorial, the fact remains that HAARP does have the current ability to produce large scale EM wave function and if the silent witness that claims Joe Stack and the Pentagon Shooter somehow ending up dead in the most contrived situations then I don't know what could be more conspiratorial to consider a claim about a trio of friends and or associates that worked together to get into the NSA servers and upon doing so discovering something so out there that of course the NSA does not worry about any disclosure because it will be considered just another conspiracy nut on the Internet making wild claims that cannot be proven. Or can it be proven? HAARP may or may not be involved, but when it comes to large scale EM wave function creation, then HAARP is the only candidate that I can think of that is pointed into space producing EM waves with great regularity.

Well, if there is any truth to the claim that the NSA was doing what it is claimed they are doing, then it establishes a clear and present "Motive" for finding a way to kill all subjects that hacked into and discovered something they should not have become aware of without having to pay for it with their lives.

The possibility that the federal government specifically the NSA is using some unknown high technology science to access the future is indeed well within the real of plausible. The fact that if the NSA wanted to get rid of these individuals, we all know they could do that with impunity. The fact that their deaths appear contrived lends credibility to the fact that their deaths were staged to control information and to prevent association.

Since the media no longer reports on anything meaningful, the federal government, specifically the NSA does not have to worry about media coverage for something they do not want looked at. The only remaining area of concern is the Internet and sites such as ATS.

Instead they draw attention away from any known association and instead paint a picture of a suicide Joe Stack angry with the IRS and a Pentagon shooter with a marijuana proclivity angry over 911. What a transparent attempt to confuse and prevent the public from thinking. With all the gotcha elements, the media will never discuss if these two dead individuals knew each other or if the claim made by the third and only living witness is indeed the real deal or just someone looking to spin a yarn and laugh while doing it.

The currently living witness with his confusion and erratic remarks are those of an educated man that realizes that two of his friends are dead and he of course now knows why they are dead and why he now fears for his own life from those that if they want you dead will make you dead. Of course they can get any coroner to state that you shot yourself in the head with a shotgun, twice and still call it a suicide. Case closed. They are the NSA after all and will use National Security as a veil to conceal everything they do not want known. As a result of this knowledge, the third witness is indeed scared and stressed from what to do and where to go before the NSA hunters catch up the rabbit trying to scurry away in an obtrusive running pattern from the teeth of the beast seeking to have him for dinner.

What happens to this wild story or whether anyone actually investigates the claims makes me realize that in today's society, information is the most controlled element of our society and yet most don't even seem aware to that insane fact. I for one hope this wild claim is true because it will help to sell "Disclosure" and because it would then prove the suspicions that secret time travel technology is being abused by those in the highest places of our federal government and if this claim is true, then it only touches on the tip of the iceberg because it would then prove that our government and elements in our government in possession of secret time travel technology are abusing such science for everything except protecting this great nation and or benefiting mankind.

The abuses must become known and most importantly, the abuses of such technologies being used as personal secret toys must stop. To those that would use National Security to murder, I say you're days are coming to an end. You better start thinking of where are you going to hide because one day the NSA hunters will become the hunted and I am certain there will be no place to hide for long before you too become someones dinner meal. Munch munch said the Wolf, I want to hear your bones crunch in my mouth and I want to taste your blood and they the NSA will huff and puff until they get to taste your tastiness.

bullocks


Satellites experience "dilated" time. They are too close to the Earth to see into the past.

They could see into the past by x years; IF they were X light years away from the Earth. However, this is assuming that the satellite is already there. By the nature of moving to satellite to that location, you are taking time you will not be able to see the past.

To see the future, you would need "negative distance," which I can only think of happening if the satellite is in another dimension or receives light from another dimension.

Satellites actually have software in them that helps them to readjust their clocks by some amount of minutes.




[edit on 3/6/2010 by die_another_day]

If remote viewing is possible by people like ingo swann without satellites, then im sure SRI and the NSA can come up with an enhanced version. Anything is possible, if we entrap our thinking to the known laws of physics then our science is doomed, we are only children when it comes to understanding how the universe works. We havent even got a unified field theory that works yet, Dewey Larson and Nassim Haramein being the closest so far to achieving this

reply to post by DeathTribble


i find this example you're suggesting fits the pattern of a schizoid rather disturbing. for example, it:

1. establishes a norm behavior based on the beliefs of a single group
2. it then singles out intelligent people who disagree with the beliefs of the single group
3. it then calls the intelligent people that disagree with it, schizoid.

that's some mighty dangerous territory you're treading on.

reply to post by Bordon81


Absolutely.
But creating future news by forging them is not the same as "to predict the future".
Its "making the future" which is absolutely possible and no physical wizardry.
You write something up, stage an event, and publish the story.

Part of me wants to believe the whole thing, but on the other hand, ... meh,... sounds t much like "Lost" season 1 where this guy has to type in a code, in order to save the world.

Also, as some poster stated, you cant predict anything in the future because it diidnt happen yet, unless you stage it.

Time is not that simple. it doesnt move just forward and backward but also "up and down".
While the earth moves around the sun and the sun around the galactic core, the whole thing literally "falls" through space up or down (depending on the POV), so its not just a matter of movement but also of position. Thats why you never can predict the future because the earth in 27 hours wont be at the position it was when you started measuring (there will be just void space, and from there no information whatsoever is obtainable).

Plus, if this is a hoax, its a very cruel one because it plays with the feelings of the relatives of the victims

Originally posted by iamoverrated
I'd love for him to go in depth about the hacking end of this little operation. I'm sure there are more than enough established hackers / I.T. engineers in this community to scrutinize the evidence. That alone could put an end to all of this. Leaving his post vague (with the exception of a common form of encryption that could be found in 2 seconds using any search engine) ranks this right up there with the flying spaghetti monster for me; entertaining but utterly lacking any real substance. When and if he presents any valid evidence I'm sure his claims will be taken more seriously.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by iamoverrated]

Already tried to do that in a previous post, so have several others. I have over 18 + years in the computer security field with business intelligence and currently work for one of the largest fortune 500 companies in the world.

However I don't think any will listen. If you disagree with some around here and provide credible proof you are just labeled a disinfo agent. People are gonna believe what they want to believe and there is no changing their minds.

Originally posted by davec0021
reply to post by kdial1

 

Interesting kdial1 but highly implausible, if not impossible.

Here's a couple of things I find wrong with this story.
1.) Network sniffing, Arp spoofing, Penetration Testing or as he puts it Pen Testing.
Everyone does realize how network sniffing works right?

en.wikipedia.org...

They would need have a machine, a zombie if you will on the physical network segment they wished to monitor traffic on. Not easily done my friends.
So think about this, these old hacks were able to not only penetrate a NSA computer and take it over, but were then able to start Arp spoofing their entire network to grab all communications? These guys may have been good, but really almost anybody who is that good is well known to the NSA. Remember they can see into the future.

2.) The claim of "I set up secure lines of communication and ran crypt-analysis on ciphered keys John sniffed off the networks." Everybody knows how encryption works right?

en.wikipedia.org...

The only thing stack could have ever got off the network is a public key. As stated above even that's a pipe dream. The private key would have been on this so called destination database. With out the private key nobody is reading chite. If encryption was so easy to hack everyone would be doing it including non computer savvy old men like the ones who post at GLP.

3.) All government agencies like the NSA and the CIA take security very seriously, and that's an understatement. These guys are beyond paranoid. Any breach to their defenses would sound off alarm bells and teams of very qualified people would respond, quickly closing such gaps. No one hacks into their respective agencies easily. Again if you could do it they probably already know who you are.

Sorry I call this a hoax and debunked.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by davec0021]

[edit on 5-3-2010 by davec0021]

Seriously these guys sound like they have read a couple of hack sites, maybe even run some penetration testing on their own probably wireless networks because they didn't have anything better and decided to pose as hackers that hacked in to NSA and CIA data centers, running files back and forth without even anybody noticing, discovering the Holy Grail of the US intelligence, a supposed mysterious satellite that somehow magically looks in to the future while in orbit..
Well, I have a bridge I want to sell, if anybody is interested..