Please read, this is very important "Joe Stack and John Bedell Connection"

woops double post. I think the NSA time-dilation satellite bi-located me and made my doppleganger post at the same time.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by rufusdrak]

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if you watch dr. deagles speech on the quantum computer database on Colorado, he explains that they use it for profiling a whole litany of things on us citizens. this huge database surely needs to be accessible consider the number of agencies that use it to their benefit. i would think.

and to everybody still talking about relativity, remember we arent talking about physical mass. these are EM transmissions.

so if this is true i think its suggesting a clear division in laws of mass and how it relates to space/time.

the EM is actually more like a "marker" in space/time it doesnt matter if whatever is in the transmission has actually happened yet or not. although i could be wrong.

i think its kind of like how a plane can go faster than the speed of sound. the satellite (being in the earths orbit) is simply breaking some barrier in the transmit/receive process of the transmission(coming from the actual earth)

i think from the transmissions point of view its going in the past. but to us being at the end of the entire process, it comes off as from the future. but its just an illision that the action was performed in the future, its just that the transmission process is defying our space/time. essentially beating time but not the altering the transmission.

maybe your mass and orbit dictate your space/time. so if you have no mass then you have no limit to space or time.

i dunno.



[edit on 5-3-2010 by LurkerMan]

Apologies if this has been posted before but here is a Youtube made
by John Bedell.

He seems to be a fairly intelligent guy. Although, as it has been said
here earlier, intelligence does not always mean mental stability.

Quoting from an article at Prison Planet "John Patrick Bedell was a “genius” circuit design student at San Jose State University"
www.prisonplanet.com...

The video he made is regarding "how information currency will be used to create a financial market for information"
www.youtube.com...

Being a non-physicist idiot, I am intrigued.


Where's Phage to debunk?

LOL

Originally posted by watcher73

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Guys dont you get?

If the NSA is able to see all internet and such like from the future?

How can anyone possibly believe this story?

It is impossible to be true, and its more than an big elephant in the living room, theres a herd of them in the story no?

Elf

No, turn your brain on. It can only see 27 hours into the future. all he had to do and what he claimed to do was set up his protections at least 27 hours before posting to GLP.

Hahaha... ATS is so much fun!

Let me see if mine is turned on.

They have a system that can look up to 27 hours into the future from now in a constant manner. That alone is so sweet that I don't know where to start.

So according to his own logic even if he had setup a protection to hold the posting a year later they (the NSA and whatnots) would still have 27 hours to kill him and dismantle his postings before the allegedly post ever surfaced to us mere mortals that live in the present. Is that correct?

So if I haven't missed any encryption or hidden words on the source of the page where his post was perhaps you should check if your brain is on

Do some critical thinking. If you had information that people would kill you for and a mean of communication like the internet at your finger tips plus the knowhow to break into any network infrastructure in the world what would you do?

It's pretty simple actually.

Don"t give them a chance to discredit or kill you.

How you do that?

You simply get that break into Google and most of the other major web sites and set that text (info) as the front page of their search or front pages. In hours millions of people would have read it, there would be hundreds upon hundreds of backup copies of that and the mainstream media would be obligated to cover it. With those the "Big Brother" guys would have pretty much no reason to kill you since millions would know what you do and by killing you they would be reinforcing the veracity of your claims. And killing millions of people scattered all over the world wouldn't be a option since it is not something that even the most bad ass top secret agency in the world would be capable of doing without triggering a Nuke or killing everyone except themselves. Something that would be bad for business.

I say non-sense. This guy is just like those guys that come from the future to post in cheap forums to talk about a bizarre new age utopic future without going into specifics to back them up.

It is impossible to see into the future without being part of it. That means a phase transition of time space. Nobody can see into the future, this is because if they were to see specific events, then they could change the future. And besides generally I bet you all don't understand this idea. And don't try to bring string theory into it because it would completely destroy this hoaxter's premis. In order to "be" in the future you must accelerate to high speeds or defy localized gavity. You wouldn't technically be looking into the future, you would just be experiencing time faster then everyone else. To the observed you would of moved forward in time. There is no way to see into the future, there is only the possibility to move forward into the future at a faster rate than the average organism on Earth. That being said, this is complete bunk. If there were a supercomputer that could model every atom on Earth it STILL would not be able to simulate the future because you would need to include every galaxy and the entire universe in the program. Impossible by todays means. Why is this so you ask? Quantum Entanglement. Not to mention the fractility of the universe...perhaps AI could get a good idea or estimation, yes I said Artificial Intelligence. This guy is a con artist.

And since he is open to questions why don't you guys ask him a complex mathematical equation? If he is a mathematics degree then he can prove it specifically in the cryptology field. Why not give him something to crack?

[edit on 5-3-2010 by Paradox.]

How come Joe Stack AND John Bedell are both tied to 9/11 Truth? If this doesn't scream the fact that the government is looking for support to round all the Truther's up, I don't know what does.

I have a a couple of questions. I know they have been brought up. But it's points to ponder.

First, let me say I am not sure if I am buying this or not. I'm becoming very cynical due to all the trolls these days.

This guy says on the GLP he is sharing his story as an insurance policy - doesn't want to end up dead. Framed. So forth. YET... he went to a faculty meeting? Not what I would be doing.

When he returns he says he will answer questions. But then after only a few posts, and not in response to any real questions, he states he is sleep deprived and has to go. WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTIONS?!

I'm reminded of John Titor.

Granted, this guy does seem to know a few things. I can't completely call HOAX on this yet.

Guess we'll have to see what happens next.

A REAL cryptanalysis expert would never make this statement:

"It would take longer to crack an 8096 bit RSA encryption key, than my self-made encryption system"

8096 is not a power of 2.

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If you hacked into google they would know 27 hours before it went public in reality.

I can't believe this is seriously being discussed.

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I cant believe you just discussed it.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by watcher73]

By the way, this EXACT story was in a Denzel Washington movie a few years ago. Just saying...anyone who believes this is pretty foolish.

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I didn't discuss it...

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Three times you didnt.

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"Discussing" is adding fuel to the fire and agreeing with what is said. Instead, I'm thread killing. It's what I do best with ignorance that's posted on ATS. Such as a top secret satellite that can see 27 hours into the future, just as described in "Deja Vu."

www.imdb.com...

This really reminds me of the BBC tv show that just aired called Paradox. Here's a bit of a synopsis, with the only thing being different is the period you can see into the future is 18 hours instead of 27.

If you saw the future would you change it? That is the dilemma facing Detective Inspector Rebecca Flint (Tamzin Outhwaite) and astrophysicist Dr. Christian King (Emun Elliott) who have seen the disastrous events awaiting the world, after they receive a mysterious transmission of images from space that show pictures of events lying 18 hours in the future.
www.tv.com...

Now, my thoughts on this are he could just be using this exact premise and tying it to use real events to create a fake story (although this really isn't a smart idea attaching yourself to the people the media has been spinning to be terrorists and putting yourself out there to be pursued by law enforcement agencies) or he could actually have gotten real information and this is actually true. I haven't decided either way, but a lot of the information is compelling and I don't understand people's need for him to say whats going to happen in the future to back up his claims. From what I gathered, all three of them were used to get into the database to extract the information and it was the other two that came across the basketball game first and passed it along to this guy. Since the other two are now dead, I think it would be quite difficult for this one person to be able to successfully hack into the NSA's database and get more of the information from the future. Also, people's belief that the NSA is monitoring hockey games when I think this was just used as an example of the "information" that they extracted. The clip was a way for them to quickly explain that this game that they got the information from hasn't happened yet. I'm going to follow this, and not pick either side until I can tell for sure if it's true or not. I'd rather not have a predetermined opinion before I can make a final conclusion since I like to look at things from a completely central perspective and look at all sides with equal possibility.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Sirius20]

Reminds me a bit of that movie "Dejavu" where they could only see so far in the future. Interesting. One simple proof is to pass us tomorrows winning lottery numbers (please!) :->

It seem somewhat credible as it's written.

i used to work in the NSA's satellite communications earth terminal. secret clearance and all that. i assure you that ALL of the satellite transmissions are digitally encoded EM waveforms.

what's more, the TYPE of information that is contained within a given EM signal can be determined by the "shape" and frequency of the carrier wave. so the people whose job it is to create useful information from these EM signals will know immediately what info the signal is carrying, and process it accordingly.

i sincerely doubt that any "inside" information i have about these systems would be useful to corroborate this man's story. However, working at the NSA is spooky business and i never ever felt totally comfortable there.


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