An appeal from a cop...

3 years ago in a small town in central canada I had my door kicked in because someone in my truck replaced the cd faceplate and had the case in his hand while I tried to talk to a cpl people who had my daughters cell phone.
Someone said my friend had a taser, I left. The next day my house was raided.
Guns put to all my family and dragged out of bed by a team that was brought in from the city police. My cactus plants were taken I was charged with Mescaline. I also had 6 clones in a lunchbox that a friend had just given. I also had magic mushroom cultures. I write botanical articles "Teks" online so its really a passion for "Spirit plants" in general. I was also ready to open a ethnobotanical shop online before the raid.
Ok I can handle everything I worked for taken away...2 yrs of bail restrictions, only allowed to go out once a week Saturday 9-1pm for shopping. Full curfew.
A year to the day,Ileave home at 11:30 in our family van, im followed by police as soon as I hit the main street for about 15 minutes then they turned off.
I come home at 1am and there waiting around a turn a cpl blocks from home(its a small town I know they were there for me) there cop shop is a stones throw from my house.
Ok so it seems my insurance is up at midnight well my wife got monthly payments and forgot to get it insured the day before.

Im 2 blocks from home, no one on the road but us, now in the cop car, theres a new cop and the chief...the new cop replaced the one who raided my house....he was fired from the town council(thats another story)
So the new cop asks me" what tattoos you got?" I say "check your computer" and write this down"I smoke big ganga joints", they drove me home towed my car and I was raided again the next day, guns to my 13 yr old son, he was dragged out then on our security camera my wife seen the new cop hurting my son, the chief looked on our cam and ran out to cuff my son with the other cop...then came back in looking for the tape...dirty bastard.
so there was 1 -point of oil in a beer cap and some stalk from the ashtray and a cpl roaches(thats what they said when they came back and took my 15 month old daughter to children's aid) for a roach in the ashtray
took me and my wife 8-months to get her back threw court.
keep in mind after the second raid my daughter 17yrs had a fight with my wife and my wife slapped her, she told the police and my wife was arrested and not allowed to come home.
me I had 2 teens and a baby to care for and lost my job.
just keeps getting better doesnt it?
Well to make a long story short, the second raid I dealt with first a year later it was dropped if I agreed to forfeit all the stuff they took.(thats the way tyranny works) I lost 30 thousandth dollars in stuff(computers,buissness stock,ect)
a day after I was aquitted the chief was fired.
the new cop well he came to my door crying...his son was into crime and he couldnt handle what he was doing to people, giving tickets, putting guns to peoples heads when the chief says so(yet the chief wouldnt draw a gun, we made note of that me and him)
the new cop I seen a month later doing snow removal, he quit.
my son when that guy did his one year was charged for resisting arrest then changed to assault(he was 80lbs they were 500 lbs)

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I could go on about how unjust police do there stuff, this isnt isolated, if the police are worried i sell pot and need swat to come to my house then I need a back-up team of assassins next time I get pulled over...every drug dealer is akiller than so is the police.

Originally posted by Cosmiccop
Nice post, well said....I too am in the law enforcement community and it is amazing how we have lost our first ammendment rights and are constantly being watched and judged on every action we make.....we are the ones being watched lol!

You are supposed to be watched. It's part of your job to uphold a higher moral standard as an example to the community. You are accountable to the people who pay for your job and as a condition of employment you must be subject to questioning of your methods while performing your duties. If you don't like it, don't be in LE. Without a watchful eye on LE organizations we cannot truly uphold justice.

reply to post by JWH44


Your post is very eloquent and I think this issue deserves attention.

Obviously in every field there will be people who abuse their position, and people who act with honesty and integrety. I also think there are certain professions that also put particular and unnatural strains on people's minds, bodies, and spirits. Being in law enforcement is definitely one of them. The line between what is right and wrong can get very blurry and cause great moral agony.

Any blanket condemnation of law enforcement officials is wrong. It is impossible to have a functioning society without them. But I also think its important to be vigilant against corruption among such people, because the potential for abuse is strong. In addition, the issue of survalience in particular is becoming worrisome with all the new technology that has emerged in the last decade or so. It is very frightening and we still don't know what this means for a free society. So I think it needs to be debated openly and vigorously. Another matter is that local budgets are tight everywhere so there will be greater scrutiny of all public-sector workers. Finally, ATS is a board dedicated to speculation, conspiracy, etc. so obviously one has to keep that in mind when evaluating any opinion expressed here.

I personally have tremendous respect for all the good and honest people in law enforcement.

reply to post by M3T4LH34D


Yes, it sounds like everyone around you is to blame. Parents, teachers, the whole world is against you. I only see one commonality in all those groups you listed; you. I don't see you offering any real solutions, just more blanket generalizations. Tell me, honestly; what would solve the problem? You want all of us cops to stand up one day, throw our badges on the bosses desk, go home and have a beer? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would be willing to bet that your face would be right there in the rioting, looting crowd reveling in the mayhem.

Prove me wrong: do something constructive with your words.

I understand and agree with your concerns sir . If it wasen't for Law Enforcement Officials , this Country would be in a constant state of Chaos . Like any other profession , there are certain individuals that abuse the power bestowed upon them , and are not in any way a direct reflection of the group they represent as a whole . I think most of the Negative comments here concerning the inappropriate behavior of some Law Enforcement Officials towards them are ones of a personal nature wich could sometimes be viewed as biased due to personal experiences . It should also be noted that this is considered a Conspiracy Website , and as such , those type of comments should be exspected by some of the Types of people that post here .

Police come to a house to charge people they come with a force to be reckoned with
Then they cry when there not treated right in there mind?

the police brutality videos we see and my own experiences tell me to fear the police and to protect myself when I feel my life is threatened. They treat anyone who isnt a cop like there a lower life form...
The best one is when your in jail and the guards come in to raid your cell (usually around 5-6am in the morning) so they piss you off, and there wearing gloves and masks and treat you like your infected. Like there Sh_t dont stink.
Makes me sick, the lowest of man is the keeper of man.


we need police but the system we have now makes crooked police.
Do you think that if revolution took place that current police will be able to somehow reapply for the postion when things are "dealt" with?
HA.... no way, your bosses go and so do the minions.

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reply to post by JWH44


Hello JWH44,

I do not consider all Cops murderers, but I do consider the vast majority of them to be thugs. Please let me explain why.

Most police officers in the US are given a profile examination to see if they meet the criteria of being a value to the police force. Now the specific profile the state is looking for is not some one who will protect and serve the public, It is some one who will enforce the law with out question.

Most laws in the US are created by an ignorant public who has been stimulated by the media machine to ask for said laws. Laws like the need to require car insurance, no smoking at the beach, no this, no that, pick your dog poop up and so on. To law enforcement the public are only those who fallow the law everyone else is someone who is hurting the public no mater how small the crime has been. This way of thinking is the norm in the USA and is a great way of making money for the state.

You have police officers who enforce the law with out moral questioning, people choked with a crazy amount of ridiculous laws and a country full of descendants of witch burners. Not a good combination for a happy peaceful country if you ask me. It's more a perfect reaping ground for citations and just putting people in all ready overcrowded prisons.

This is why I blanket all cops as thugs for the state because this is what they are. The ones who do not bring in a sufficient amount of situations are evaluated and fired, this rarely happens tho due to the pre hiring screening of their personality profile.

I live in Mexico, in this country cops can drag me out of my car for no reason, drag me to a ditch and blow my brains out because I looked at them funny. But I feel more safer with a Mexican Cop because I know this person is a human being who will stop me for running a red light, see that no harm was done punish me with a bribe and go buy his wife a nice dress. If harm was done, if some one was hurt due to me running a red light I got to jail.

This same situation in the US is nothing like this, it is literally like being put through the ringer, I run a red light get the ticket, pay the ticket and go to school so my license does not get expired, my car insurance goes up, I can't meet the payments on my house, I lose the house, my wife leaves me, my kids grow up all screwed up because of the divorce, my son turns emo, then gay, my daughter feels resentment toward me because I'm not there to see her every day so she becomes and anal whole at school that smokes pot.

Police in the US do much more damage to the public than they think. You have the most overcrowded prisons in the world and generate the most money from infractions and citations. All this takes it's toll on the US public. So don't think you can sleep well at night.

TA!

I appreciate your thread and second the sentiments. People are people no matter where you go. Some better, some worse. I do believe most cops are well intending. Most of the videos or stories of abuse should work out in court. But not all. The Judiciary is absolutely full of corruption. This is, in part because infiltrators are being placed there and teaching and is corrupt and targeting is there to promote those who serve their criminal interests. Common law is the only true law and efforts of "Law Enforcement" that are legitimate revolve around enforcing the "Golden Rule" and no more. However, as we all know, there are two golden rules and much of law enforcment is not in any way enforcing law. It enforces the other golden rule, he who has the Gold makes the rules. This is the "Criminals Justice System" which includes Tax, Traffic, anything that is not the Golden Rule.

However, humans are a herding species, there's no doubt about it. They must have a leader to follow and it doesn't matter whether they take that to be a sports figure, a tv announcer, a police chief, a cult leader, a military superior, boss at work, or whatever. History makes it pretty clear they will follow them to do anything. Most of the uSA followed Bush off the cliff cheering for shock and awe. When you combine that with a need to feed the family, you have a pretty strong incentive to tolerate and rationalize wrong as right and the thruth is all "Traffic Cops and all Traffic Courts are absolutely 100 criminal.


The bottom line for me, is that I absolutely do not believe the average cop is going to stand by and allow the criminals at the top to boxcar people no matter what fantasy rational is proposed. most of the cops I've encountered are more or less ashamed of themselves and sick of doing wrong and it's written all over their faces.

I have not met or encountered one bad uniformed law enforcement officer in my life.

As far as I am concerned, the pay and benefits ain't worth it, I don't know why anyone would want to be a cop and put up with the risk and abuse, long hours etc... So respect for anyone who has.

Like anything, there is good and bad. The bad tends to be sensationalized in the media while the good never gets coverage... That is why so many cops get a bad rap from the public.

Then there is bad that never sees the light of day... But that is another story.

Interesting thread.


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reply to post by JWH44


Recite the Bill of rights - right now in your head - don't look it up just do it. You should know these after all.

Now because of the circumstances maybe you were able to do that and then again maybe you weren't. Only you know the truth.

If you were however not able to then consider this. How am I supposed to trust that you are going to protect my rights - if you don't even know what they are?

Maybe you are the exception to the rule, but what about those you work with? Can I truly trust that they know my rights they are sworn to protect?


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reply to post by downtown436


I appreciate the fact that you understand the point of my post. My goal was not to start a thread about what is wrong with society. The animosity between some portions of the public and the police are but one symptom of the larger problem.

I agree with many of the posts concerning laws and policies that are questionable at best. I am not blind to the reality of the society we live in. There are deep rooted problems that have to be addressed at levels far above my pay grade before we can all start to agree that society is on the right track.

But in the meantime, and this is one of the points I'm trying to stress, there are still bad people out there doing horrible things that I think we can all agree are wrong. And I will continue to do my part to keep people safe. Flame all you want, I really don't care. I'll still risk my life for yours if the time comes.

If you really cared you would be changing the way things are done from the inside(the police force) not on a conspiracy website, its not a conspiracy that people hate police its a fact
tell me this....why would you want to part of a corrupt system and possibly judged by the very people wronged? I assure you its like the rape laws...it doesnt matter if your not holding her down or having intercourse ,just the fact you were there or "know" about whats going on is a crime.

better yet next time you have a call for a guy who has weed ,possibly selling it, go there unarmed, I mean all drug dealers are not bad
If you do that I will assume the next time i have police at my door there not here to smash my skull and shoot my family, so if all weed smokers/sellers are bad then I have to assume that all police are crooked....and that's why iam always on guard, like you cop

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Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by colt122

 

So got more videos? Wanna compare that to the stats I posted earlier?

Yeah it sucks if those are all true. Again how do those compare against the 22.3 millions calls a year? Like I said even a million calls a year that are evil cops mean that 99.6% of the calls are just fine and frankly I have yet to see people come up with 1 million bad cop videos

Like I said if those are true I feel for them but let's compare the calls that are good....oh that's right America only takes notice if you mess up

-Kyo

the point is that there's no alternative. there's nothing to compare.

its either make the call or get stepped on. if you try to handle it yourself your a criminal too.

i could easily do their "job" for free, if the 2nd amendment would be implemented the way its supposed to be.

no sympathy here, i can fight my own battles.

reply to post by yeahright


Well you know you could ask one of the many cops on this forum but whatever.

But here are two publications, one is old demonstrating the desire of psychological screening despite the all ready observational screening that was preformed.

Link1

And here is another trying to clean up the mess of the older model screening lol.

link2

I'm sure the cop who made the original OP could tell you all about what I'm talking about.

Game theory has really screw up America and the UK, it's going to take a lot to set things right.

I think the attitude comes from the fact that most peoples' dealings with police are negative. I think a majority of people out there don't have any interaction with a police officer until they get a ticket or a fine for something. And it doesn't help when you get the dicks that think they have to walk up to you with their hand on their gun....for a blown tail-light. I'd think most people take offence to that. I know I do.

I dont hate the police. They are a needed part of the community. Heck, my best friend in the world since 1st grade, the guy who's wedding I was the best man at, the man who asked me to be the godfather of his child ( I refused ) grew up to be a police officer. And I will tell you this. It changes something inside of you. You become a different person as soon as you put that badge on. The things he's said he has done on the job have really made me pissed at him. He never would've treated people the way he does had he not become a police officer. Now I have very limited interaction with him. Its been the better part of the last decade.

Like I said. I don't hat the police. I just don't trust anyone with power over me. And I've seen first had what that little bit of power does to a person. I truly believe that there needs to be higher pay, much much much more stringent vetting processes and much much much more strict phych evals. Any little glimmer of instability and you're flipping burgers. Oh, and I think you need to be on the force for a pre-defined amount of time before you earn the right to carry a gun or a taser. I think that this would force you to resolve things without being so willing or quick to use force.

Something else that I will toss in here is that when a corrupt government wants to control and take over all aspects of a society, divide and conquer is good way to go. Making cops feel the public is their enemy and vice versa is a tactic I think our gov is currently using. All in the name of so called terrorist which the government now labels anyone who opposes them. I thought that cops took an oath to uphold the constitution and serve the public, not ignore the constitution and treat the public like the enemy.

Here is a link to police, military, national guard, firemen, etc who swear to uphold their oath.

oathkeepers.org...


1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

JWH,

Thank you for "showing your face -sharing your heart," where you know that you may very well be flamed for the position you hold.

I think that you have valid "gripes."

I think that the problem lies in different areas.

1. Those civies that dispise all law. You are always the bad guy.
2. The bad guys in the agencies, to include the stupid ones who got in because of quotas. And yes they exist. they also exemplify hiring the unqualified, who will perpetually exhibit traits leading to bad press, whether consciously or subconsciencously.
3. And here is the biggy. You are a part of our government, like it or not. And, as it stands right now with our three branches bringing an all out assualt on the constitution, and the frustration from we the people that comes from such blatent disregard for us, will infact be projected in a general sense on law enforcement, especially federal agencies, many times without regard for the individual and their own allegance to the constitution and we the people. It even brings doubt on those of you who are upstanding, right, honest, doing your best to serve and just as mush a patriotic American as the next guy.

And lets be honest here, how many of your people will obey orders without question, regardless of what they are? I know how that is, I am former military.

This really is a shame as I personally know various law enforcement officers both on the local and federal levels, and I believe they are trustworthy.

Of course I also know of various ones that are just the opposite, who have fabricated evidence against innocent people, more than once and have been promoted over time anyway.

So all I can say to you is, live YOUR life rightly, honestly, and do your job for the love of God, Family, and country (diff than gov, though gov is certainly a part of it), and sleep at night knowing that your conscience is clear.

If you serve in my area you are welcome in my home like anyone else until and unless I determime you are a threat to me and my family.

I will also take a bullet for you, unless I find out that you serve an enemy, foreign or domestic..............

Recon3

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Tholidor]

Apparently I still don't have a good handle on the "quote" system in here:

The paedophile teacher, the larcenous pharmacist or the unethical banker are hardly good comparisons. None of these carry badges and guns, nor do they enjoy the assumption of truthfulness which is abused on a daily basis in courtrooms all across this nation. Does the term "testilying" ring a bell?

Obviously, much like the famous "dog bites man" example from Journalism 101, good cops are simply not newsworthy. The thug gets the ink and the airtime. Beyond that, if cops desire the respect of their communities let them earn it by diligent adherance to their oaths and visible displays of their inner strength and ethical values.

Cops need to be reminded on occasion that we outnumber and outgun them. We surround them and, thanks to modern technology, videotape their every move.

Federal cops especially need to remember that their oaths were to protect and defend the Constitution - not to robotically accept whatever nonsense dribbles down from the puppet currently occupying that big house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in D.C.

We The People are watching, and judging the conduct of cops each and every day. When they transgress let them be afraid - VERY afraid.

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reply to post by JWH44

The animosity between some portions of the public and the police are but one symptom of the larger problem.

But why is there such animosity? You can't start a thread addressing the animosity between the public and law enforcement and then say it's above your pay grade when someone addresses the subject. WHY?

I agree with many of the posts concerning laws and policies that are questionable at best. I am not blind to the reality of the society we live in. There are deep rooted problems that have to be addressed at levels far above my pay grade before we can all start to agree that society is on the right track.

A question is the fact that the USA has the most overcrowded prison population in the Solar system due to Americas population, their poor choices or is it because Law enforcement is on a total rampage?

Flame all you want, I really don't care. I'll still risk my life for yours if the time comes.

Thanks that's nice of you, but tell me what happens if I try to risk my own life to protect myself when the time comes.

Would you risk your life to chase down a car than ran a red light then speeds off? I'm sure you would. How many peoples lives are put at risk in a car chase that started due to a simple stop sign violation?

What about the L.A. riots? did cops risk their lives to help all those people being killed in the street like dogs? Did they or was it to dangerous for them?

Where we the cops when their was real danger during the L.A. riots? Where were they when the people needed them the most?

Oh but one car being chased by 13 police vehicles, putting the lives of thousands at risk to catch that collar is OK?

Please spare me the rhetoric.