The Boys From Brazil: Nazis in South America

O.K. that "UFOs from Brazil" youtube vid was from a "Milan Martin" lecture as this new Nazi UFO vid notes:

www.youtube.com...

I think this British UFO doc also has more Nazi connections:

www.youtube.com...

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reply to post by LiveForever8


Excellent thread.some of it was old news to me ,but a great piece of work indeed!

Great thread,OP S&F for you! I also have Rise of the 4th Reich by Marrs still need to get back to it.lol! on a more serious note once I heard about that woman's skull in the Russian archives my first thought was that was Eva without a doubt.


PS:I agree with TheMythlives threads like this is what ATS is all about not that mindless political slop that has been floating around lately.

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reply to post by Game_Over


Just a note to share a resource that i use. If you are ever looking for a video, video clip or anything like that, try OVGuide.com

Here is The Last Aryans Of Paraguay

It is only a 7:40 clip from the original 54 minute show, but it is the only part about this subject matter (the rest of the show was about Bulgarian nukes and Pakistani gun markets).

edit to add: it has some language in it. be warned.

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Originally posted by asIam
reply to post by LiveForever8

 

I wonder how this might relate to GW Bush buying land in Sth America?
weren't the Bush family Nazi collaborators ?

This also occured to me, that the Bush grandfather was financing the Nazi military. And Baraq is a cousin of GW. And also Gates, and others in our government. It seems like a nepotism, but I never suspected the Nazi connection. There is SOOOO much we don't even suspect, going on now. I do know that the Nazi's were the first to have jet aircraft engines, but I would like to hear more about the stealth bomber. Washington does not appear to fit the description in the Bible of Mystery Babylon who would dominate the world, but perhaps it is now, and we simply are unaware of what they are actually doing. 60% of the US budget is Black, and without any checks and balances. Don't YOU trust them?

Also, I would like to know if anyone knows about Nazi's going to Ecuador. Anyone know?

Good post OP.

I would like to add my thoughts on the subject.

If the Nazi’s are still alive and are planning the return of the Reich why would they start from USA? The greatest supporter of Israel and the home of the largest Jewish population? Why would they fund the Jewish state?
I would like to get some opinions on the above questions beside the farfetched idea which I will describe below.

Let’s say that the Nazi’s are taking over, and they start from the USA, and the funding of Israel and the establishment of it was a plan from long before, is the following possible?
They created the state of Israel and helped it with weapons and we all know that the entire world is not happy with the current Israeli government and policy, so now we have allot of people that hate the Jews just like we had a post here about what happened in Sweden. Imagine this being escalated all over the world. Now Arabs and I only say Arabs because they are the closest and there immediate enemies decide to attack, no one will blame them. Israel falls, everyone is happy because the aggressor is gone, slowly and quietly they exterminate everyone there. And just in that manner they carry on with their 70 year old plan.

Again I am only offering theories, I don’t believe in this nor do I say it is a fact. I just offered a conspiracy.

reply to post by Mr.Jcury

Did ya happen to notice how all the 'hated' Jews of the world have German or Russian last names?

Have you researched how the Zionists supported and worked with the Nazis?

Have you read about how Hitler believed supporting zionism would make the Arabs and Jews kill each other off (2 birds with one stone)?

Have you seen how every single day more and more proof of what really happened on 9/11 is 'revealed'? Have you noticed how so much of it implicates Israel?

Have you read in the bible, Albert Pikes letters, protocols of zion, how this was planned to happen...?

...Do you think maybe its all connected and carefully planned out...

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


We'll, what's suspicious to you then is not so to me. I trust Traudel Junge's account more than any other as she has not once been shown to be liar.

Any account that corroborates what Junge said will be credible in my eyes if all circumstances allow it. As for the conspiracy you are alluding to - I was thinking along those lines for a long time too.

Then I realized that it was impossible for Günscher, Linger, and Junge to have matched their stories, given their lifes trajectories after the 30th of April 1945. It's simply not possible (physically) that all of them were together to coordinate their stories.

And I never said the testimony matches 100%. I wrote that it fits well - no one gives an account that would automaticaly rule out the other.

As you believe that Hitler survived the war, please give me your reasons for believeing so, your speculations on routes, helpers, and means of transportation as well as a documented account of he fled. Thank you.

reply to post by debunky


Ok so I got my nazi experiments mixed up! , im no expert and certainly not that interested in the subject of human experimentation its not like im condoning this in any way. My post has broken your silence ? because I got the experiements wrong or because you think I approve of them?

To say that the freezing experiments didnt benefit mankind would be wrong , as sick and inhumane as they were , they were published in a science journal and have been usesd to advance understanding of hypothermia and how to treat victims of it at the time!

Not to say you couldnt achieve the same results in a humane way.

The nazi experiments just remind me of the tv show fringe , because of all the human experimentation.

reply to post by sapien82


I think you missed Debunky's point. You should have read the article he linked you to. There it is explained why the hypothermia experiments did not add anything of value to science; the experiments were deeply flawed and not conducted in a scientific way. There has been some controversy about citing them in papers because of that - the consensus today is that it isn't cited because the experiements were carried out and documented in a way that makes them unusable for modern science.

Not one life has been saved by the supposed research. They were more caught up with proving that Gypsie Women reheat hypothermic patients more efficiently than warm water and stuff like that than they were with finding out how to save lives.

You'll find the whole of this discussion through a simple google search. The assertion that Dr. Raschers experiements had benefits for miedicinal science does not hold up scrutiny.

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Well, you sure didn't go out of your way to condemn them, what with "Amazing what science can do without morals" and all...

Anyway, wasn't just your post, there were several, with a slightly admiring tone for doctor death. (As if he was the first snappy dresser with an MD who also was a total jerk)

When it comes to Nazi science we can be pretty sure, that at least some of the "Results" are there to please the big wigs.
If it's in a field like, say, rocketry thats no problem. We can just redo the experiment and get uncontaminated data. With their medical experiments we obviously can't do that.

A totally other thing:
www.neatorama.com...
Another one! Now when was Mengele in India?

Maybe my first response was a little hasty. After reading it again I want to add some perspective. I think many people forget in what kind of era these things happened.

Racism was common in those days.
Due to the revolution in science and technology in that era, it was very logical that there was also a lot of research conducted concerning races and cultures. If the Germans didn't do it, someone else would have eventually.

Indeed Germany was also looking for "Lebensraum" (Life-Space), this because Germany was very dense populated and they had scarce resources.
Remember, after WW1 Germany lost a lot of territory and all their Colonies.

That's one of the reasons why Germany undertook many expeditions to all parts of the world. Another reason was the gathering of ancient knowledge. Germany wasn't just interested in science and technology, esoterica and mythology were also a big point of interest. My guess is that they stumbled upon astonishing knowledge including antigravity technology from India (The concept of VRIL and Vimana).
Creating an "Übermensch" was an idea the Nazis really had, but how to be interpreted?
"Übermensch"
-as in Dominant Species (which white folks at time were, not only the Germans)
-or as in Supernatural Being?

I also think that National Socialism didn't continue in the USA. "Ordo ab Chao", that's going on in the States and after the wall in Berlin fell, this principle started to reign in Europe as well. If National Socialism would have continued, nothing would have changed for the Afro Americans as it did in the 60s, racism would still be considered normal.

Financially, the USA is still the most capitalistic country in the world, even Obama's health care reform doesn't make the him a national socialist, not even a socialist.

So what's really going on?

Where did all the Nazis go?
South America was a temporary hide out, just like Neu Schwabenland (New Swabia) on Antarctica.
The steady rumor is that they either fled into space or through the supposed interdimensional gateway at the South Pole.

Fact is that Germany is still occupied and the German Reich still officially exists. So if the Fourth Reich would continue, wouldn't it make sense that the Nazis would restore order in their homeland?
I don't see the ideology "Blut und Boden" returning to Germany.
A Multi Cultural society has replaced the true German ideology.

Nazi, Reich, National Socialism and Hitler are stigmatized words, don't get fooled by that in your judgment.

reply to post by BigGorila


great link man , i think im going to have to buy that book.stalin said he belived hitler escaped to spain or argentina so its possible that he could have been in south america, after all there were at least 600,000 S.S. members left after the war and i bet alot of then were protecting and hiding hitler.

reply to post by nonconformist


SS was a very broad name with many departments and subdivisions.
Even police officers with an certain rank became automatically a SS officer.
Not all SS was Elite SS. There were only a few of those in comparison to the SS as a whole.
There are however many hundreds of thousands of people missing and over a hundred submarines missing, not just SS.

Has anyone ever looked at a calendar? I mean a nazi who had rank was not seventeen in 1945, the old guys who did the bad stuff are gone by now for sure, because they were nothing more than (in)human. They were for sure not super humans, who will pop up live again.
Nazi flying saucers a laughing matter?
Thats how I started with it, but that got old fast. What is reported as the principle behind it from the never waking up group, jibes too well with results in modern science. If they would be wrong about the UFO's how could they know how they work?
I watched a video of an old nazi travelling back and forth after the war. He said Hitler went to south Argentina, but is that true? Is it realy important? He said there are three or four flying saucers left in south America, out of order, needing repairs. No funds available for repairs. That remark sounded beliveable. In my eyes he was a guy who would as easy lie as tell the truth. Bad for a good conclusion, what is what.
The Nazis themselves where politicians not inventors they got a lot of smart people to work for them, before killing them for what ever reason.
A Lot of people fled from home, paying politicians for a save harbour. Most likely they spend their money for that.

reply to post by LiveForever8


Great thread, I gave you a star. I used to be a member in 2003, but I lost my internet connection and I just got it back a year ago. I remember you and your friend who talk to each other about cheese. I kept the same avatar.

Anyway, I'm glad you posted it, and since this is a conspiracy site, I thought I'd run by a theory I have that will never get published.

When they were in the jungle, that's when the indigenous people showed the nazi researchers how to make, bake, or cook coc aine to make crack. How they found out, I don't know, they could have just witnessed the indigenous people cooking coc aine, or maybe just smoking it, or whatever.

The other conspiracy that comes out of this story is when George Bush had twins. I believe he was given, shortly after the recipe(if you would), as a congradulations for producing twins from the closet nazis' of today or the seventies. He was a user a coc aine, and had to quit it and drinking.

I'm sure I don't have to do the math for you, or remind you of the history.
But, I think these nazis' and or researchers somehow found out how to make crack coc aine from the indigenous people, and were lookng for a way to release it to the mass public to eradicate non arians', and blacks.
Here is a link

www.onepeoples.com...

Also, here is another link to a story you might enjoy that is alittle off topic but is still a piece to the puzzle.

www.nytimes.com...

People don't care, but since you had this thread up, and you seem to have an interest, and you don't seem like one of them pushing propiganda, I thought I'd run it by you. Let me know what you think, even if it is a bit far fetched, but this is ATS.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Can you source your claim about the 100's of missing u-boats?

From what I remember they produced around one thousan, lost 784 ships .. count away those never deployed (+-20) and those used for training of cadets.. I'd be really surprised if what you write is true.. I'd be really interested... And what do you mean not just SS? SS-Uboats? please go on.

reply to post by NichirasuKenshin


Yes, I can.
Someone else has posted them here on ATS before:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
These lists appear in one of the books written by D. H. Haarmann called "Geheime Wunderwaffen I/II/III. (Secret Wonderweapons I/II/III).

reply to post by Regenstorm


Ah.. Ok.. In that case I'm not really interested... I wasted enough time of my life with Haarman.. I kinda guessed you'd bring him up. I thought you were for real.