Please Don't Feed the Animals.. (Homeless) edit; Title is a play on words , for those who can't ge

A lot of those homeless people are tough, they live outside in the winten and eat out of the trash.
When or if tshtf, these people will be fine, it's the ones that had the easy life that will need the help not the homeless.
I live in Micigan, I see this guy sleeping outside in the winter, the next morning he's having breakfast out of the dumpster in the alley, looks like he's having a ten course meal.
Who will need help, not these people some of them are hard as a rock.

I sleep in a room with no heat, but I have blankie.

feed the homeless to the hungry.

I think the homeless should go to labor camps. America doesn't produce anything. This would be a great way to change that. Just find the people who live on the streets and round them up. Force them to live with a roof over their heads. Force them to eat regular meals. Force them to produce something of value to improve the world we live in. Homelessness is just laziness. make these people useful. It doesn't necessarily have to be awful. If it were done humanely and in a way that has some dignity. It could be respectable.

Actually what if it were voluntary. I mean if there was a place anyone could go where a home and a meal and a meaningful job would be provided to you I bet a lot of them might give it a try. How about if it was semi-voluntary. They get picked up for being on the streets and they get a week in the camp. after they do the time they could go. Of course homelessness would quickly become illegal so as soon as they get out on the streets they would be picked back up again in no time. That would be a bad revolving door scenario so what if they were given a payment for the week they spent in camp. Then maybe this payment would help them get themselves off the streets. It could tie into some enforced wellfare work. Getting put in the camp automatically signs them up for food stamps and other government benefits.

Whatever they do has to be useful. It can't be something unnecessary like making license plates. Perhaps it could involve some sort of mentoring program where they actually train in a skill or trade. Learning to do something. Each time they could be sent to a different camp to learn some different skill until each homeless person finds what they were meant to do in life. Obviously they weren't meant to sleep in alleys and eat rotten food out of our waste bins and beg for handouts. That's a terrible life. Outlaw the option to live like that. This should probably replace most of our prison system too use this system of enforced education camps. Instead of making better criminals we could make better engineers, craftspeople, educators. We keep an obscene portion of our population in prison leeching taxpayer money for nothing. for no good purpose. If someone is too violent to exist in society then execute them but don't keep people locked up. It's just evil.

Just imagine these prison schools. The homeless and criminal elements of society would be put to benefit mankind. Send the violent criminals to become soldiers. Send the harmless criminals to be re-educated in a useful field. We have 300 million people in America. Were human beings. We built the pyramids. We can do a lot more than this. Our society is too full of wasteful lazy fat cretins who don't want to lift a finger to make the world a better place.

I think it solves several problems simultaneously
A. the overpopulation of prisons, the prison industrial complex, prison system
B. the homeless problem
C. the obvious decrease in education/intelligence of American citizens
D. the trade deficit
E. the Joblessness in America

The taxpayers are paying the government
the government pays for the program.
they pay for guards, administration staff, teachers
full medical and dental for everyone would be good too
they build the factories buildings etc using this labor force
only paying for materials not labor would cut costs
Once its operational you need to feed and house these people
The workers would be paid but into an account they cannot acess
The money would pay for their own meals to cut costs
Once someone is released they could use the money but limited to
specific uses like food and housing
Each camp would be specialized towards specific goals
they need to make something like solar panels and wind turbines
wave generators. energy infrastructure.
Anything they make would be the property of the government
We could sell it and use the money to feed back into the system.

Originally posted by Immortal_Reiku2010
They are going to force people (even homeless are people) to do things outside of the "norm". I hate to say it but they are forcing a coming civil war down our throats and there is nothing that we can do about it. I'm sorry folks but people are going to die.

Yes there is something that you can do... emigrate to Canada - its real easy. Few people realise that there are TWO immigration systems up here. One is the normal Federal one which only takes top flight engineers and CEO's 0 the other is the Quebec one which takes ABSOLUTELY ANYONE so long as you can speak French (it's 61% of the points) Sp get yourself a whole bunch opf French lessons and get on up here before you find yourself living on the edge of Gettysburg!

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Originally posted by romanmel
Hoe do you spell "state of stupidity"?

Ans: F L O R I D A

Every really stupid idea seems to come from this state anymore.

Far too much floridated water.

...And all run by George W Bush's brother!

I have been homeless three times in my life, and never because I was too lazy to work or because I was broken or drugged up or anything like that. I was homeless because there was no work.

That is my whole point you want to work hard, but lack the skills being sought in the market, therefore you can be trained in a skillset that is needed and be allocated to another place then when your done you would be placed in the care of a business owner who would house you until you could pay off your debt and for treatment in the "Care Center".

Why don't we set land aside for people that don't want to work and let them live there. Most homeless are homeless because they don't want to be part of our "civilized" world.

This is my point we need to provide them with training about what being an American really is. By doing this we not only create better workers but more focused workers dedicated towards building up our country instead of tearing it down by eating away at the tree at liberty from the inside out.

Originally posted by saturnine_sweet

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That comment makes me laugh. Of course, it would be wrong to force the homeless into work camps. It's their life to lead, as they choose, and I would never support such an action.

This is exactly the kind of elitist talk that led to the nazi unification of germany. The Homeless may be hell bent on destroying the fabric of this great nation but as our fellow citizens we must unite under the banner of freedom to teach them the spirit of patriotism. Allowing them to be reborn as TRUE AMERICANS is the best gift anyone can give them, think ab out that next time you drop a used up ONE DOLLAR bill in their cups to support their drug habits because you dont care about the rest of humanity.l Let the rest of us hold a constant vigil over our fellow americans who have lost sight of the light of liberty.

Originally posted by tigpoppa

Originally posted by projectvxn
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10 out of 12 homeless in philadelphia are war vets who express their disdain for the american way of way of life by tearing down what other brave soldiers have fought for and bled for and DIED FOR!
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I'm a tad confused . The line you wrote after the above quote is " I care for people...." What would lead you to believe the " 10 out of 12 war vets ..... express their distain for the America way of life by tearing down what other brave solders have fought and bled for........ ' This makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. Why would you be inclined to think these "war vets " were not brave in combat ? did not bled for their country ? If I'm missing your point please correct me. If not , then I am utterly without words.

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Wonderful idea! We can send the murderers, child molestors, bank robbers, families who lost their houses in a hurricane and a poor mother with her child that lost her job and can no longer afford her rent to EDUCATION CAMPS where they can all learn how to do something useful for society. They will all get benefits and work together to learn new skills as a big happy family. "Bob the molester" can partner up with "Billy the little Boy" to create items that will benefit America. "Rusty the murderer" can be sent to a nice little camp where he can be trained to be a soldier, then be sent to war where he can put his skills to use by killing innocent civilians. Next, we can put all the bank robbers in an accounting education camp. Oh wait this is a good one. All the people that lost their homes from a natural disaster....we can put them in a construction education camp where they can learn how to build houses...then they can all build themselves a new house! Especially with those checks they get every week and all the government help. It will be great. All the homeless people and all the criminals will be together learning new skills and becoming respected assets to the community.

Seriously, I hate to be a smart a** but this is ridiculous. You might as well be on a stage in a long flowing gown stating your dream is to have world peace. I think it is as simple as, if we want to give a homeless person something to eat then what the hell is wrong with that? I don't think it has anything to do with litter or unsafe food. It is just another way to get control of us.

I'm sorry for being so harsh. I'm a bit on the crabby side today

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Your missing the whole point, labor camps and reeducation classes alredy exist. It's called the work force, and schools and higer education. What your proposing is. 'Well ge golly' the systems that are in place dident work so lets change there names and put a wall up. And also homelessness is not laziness, what your telling me that if you had the option of sleeping on the street were chances are you would go hungry, get killed, freze to death, get treated like #, end up insane etc etc. Or go work at a low income job and avoid all that you would chose to be homeless because its easyer. Being homeless is not easy, thats why nobody wants to be homeless, infact most homeless have to work way harder just to get a little bit of shelter and sanity.

And for your other brilliant insights, like turning them into engineers and whatnot, do I even have to say it, if I said it alredy its been done.

yeah well the system isn't working so If you have a better idea let me know.
My idea isn't perfect but at least it would educate the lowest order of society and give them a chance to make something of themselves.

I'm just sick of people thinking they can get something for nothing

Lets stop giving handouts and start educating.
it's that old saying about how you can give a man a fish to feed him for a day or you can teach him to fish and feed him for life.

If your gonna feed em and shelter em then at least put em to work.

My idea is to take the people who have failed to be successful in our society and give them free training and put them right to work in a government work camp.

I remember reading on the internet about this African boy who built himself a wind power generator from some books he read. education can go a long way to repairing whats wrong with out world.

Well I suppose there is still some use for a prison then. We can't have the rapists in with the katrina victims obviously. Lets just put all the rapists together in a open pen and let them rape each other all they want. do unto others as you would have done to you.

See if we have different camps you could fine tune it. The people that just hit hard times and lost everything don't go on the streets, they could have free housing food and a job to get back on their feet. The nonviolent criminals would get similar treatment.

The violent criminals would make great soldiers are you kidding. most of em are already ok with murder and comfortable with guns.

The mentally ill, the war vets on the streets etc they need to be cared for and rehabilitated. they need treatment, counseling etc. a camp for that could be made too.

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None of your points make sense, exempt one we definitely need some system in place to at least give the homeless another option other then working for the drug dealears.
And while were at it lets get rid of the drug dealears, but then again if we get rid of the drug dealears, who is going to sell drugs to the drugies, those with jobs that is. Hmm maibe we can get the governmet to do it, ah no good if the government does it. all the drug dealers will be out of a job. Oh no more homeless people. Hmm what if we educated the drug dealers to the art of flipping burgers.... yes thats a great idea im sure they wont miss the foremer life stille I mean who wants to drive eskalades and have lots of chicks, when they can flipp bugers all day and watch american idol. yes were so smart how did we get so smart, must of been because we fixed this problem.
'Only from the top down were fixing this problem'

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Post like yours scare me, really scare me.

Have you ever donated just a few hours to work in a soup kitchen and talk with some of our millions of homeless people?

You have no comprehension of how many of these people got to where they are.

Whats more, your post promotes slave labor.

Many of these "homeless are vets, families that had one medical issue and or individuals that really belong in a home of sorts that Reagan shut down in the 80's.

In truth, Reaganomics was a smoke screen for a hidden agenda. Taxes were cut, only in the first year of his presidency, to keep the American public happy while a plan to increase the national debt by $2.5 trillion was being concocted. What for? The United States systematically overspent on national defense to crush the Soviet Union since it was obvious they couldn’t keep up. It took Reaganomics only 8 years to increase the national debt from $1 trillion to about $3.5 trillion!

■The national debt when Ronald Reagan took office was about $1 trillion. That included in it all the debt run up for the Revolutionary war, the Spanish-American war, the Civil war, World War I, World War II, the Korean war, the Vietnam war and all the Social wars of the 1930’s and subsequent years. In other words it took the United States from 1776 until 1980 or more than 200 years to accumulate a national debt of $1 trillion.

■Ronald Reagan left us a national debt of about $3.5 trillion or $3,500 billion.

■Given the spending habits established by the legacy of Ronald Reagan the national debt is now a little over $7 trillion!

■The interest cost on the national debt now runs about $318 billion a year! When Ronald Reagan took office they were about $53 billion a year.
So, feel free to give Reagan props for ending the Cold War, but don’t perpetuate the myth of fabulous Reaganomics. The end of the Cold War came with a $2.5 trillion price tag attached to it, don’t try and tell us that it was free!

The Ugly: the closing of mental health hospitals in California and across the United States. Is it any wonder that California seems to have all of the crazy homeless people? State mental hospitals were taken away by Governor Reagan in the seventies, and federal mental health programs were later taken away by President Reagan in the eighties.

When Ronald Reagan was governor of California he systematically began closing down mental hospitals, later as president he would cut aid for federally-funded community mental health programs. It is not a coincidence that the homeless populations in the state of California grew in the seventies and eighties. The people were put out on the street when mental hospitals started to close all over the state.

www.dailynugget.com...

I have met and spoken with probably a thousand homeless people. IMO Many are individuals that need to be in a state run home. Some, not all are damaged, they were through no fault of their own born "defective", many have been dealt the sh&*y end of the stick by mother nature.

Everyone out there commenting on this, you more than likely walk past these people with your own smug, know nothing opinions.

You don't realize how close to this situation you really are.

One "issue" just one "mistake" or "happenstance' and you too could be panhandling and sleeping in a alley.

I strongly suggest taking just one afternoon or evening and donating a few hours to work in one of these "soup kitchens" before giving a opinion on a subject most know nothing about.

For all of you that have young children or are thinking of having kids, picture your child having one severe head trauma "incident" or having a kid that isn't quite retarded but not able to hold a job or build relationships and now picture where that person, your child will be in 30-40 years when you are gone and no one is left to care for your baby.

Everyone smugly thinks, "oh this would never happen to me, I don't care, this type of thing doesn't affect me".

Keep thinking that way, I use to. Then life threw a couple nasty curves.

We are all in this together and what affects one of us affects all of us and most of you are so naive you just can't see the forest through the trees.



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Was you in charge of hitlers S.S.
i dont think you got a clue mate. Lots of homeless a very well educated and dont want to be a part of the system either because of some catatrophe in their life or kid dieing or family or war or whatever.
Lots of homeless are ill with things like swollen stomachs and pancreatitiss
just walking hundred yards with chronic pancreatitiss can lay you up for a week or two only for it to happen again soon as you eat or drink alchohol or eat fatty stuff and causes it to swell great pain most painfull condition there is and yes sometimes as soon as a drinker lays of the booze he will get an attack normally after 12 hours alco free ,Hence the need to stay topped up these people know they will die on alcohol.
you carnt be training them like monkeys.
many are vets who will never serve the man again and are happy to have nothing .
it is his\her choice by putting him\her in a camp would probally make him kill himself. some want help others just want to get to death as quick as they can by hook or crook. each to his own i say. I and many people were i live I was brought up in a mineing town we naturally hate the system townhall gov/police even firemen go figure we want to be left alone we dont want a nanny system.some talk to the police but not many,and when they are gone the po- lice we all laugh at them we know they are digging for # even though they act friendly people have lerned the hard way. i am 45 and seen plenty never been inside though, its always been like this around here .ANd now its worse because they are spying on mobiles and such I really feel for the homeless at night as you get stopped for anything and searched anyway my whole fam house got rid of our mobiles. what i am saying is not everyone likes being with the cowboys there are millions of us indians...you should go to a rehab and listen to the programeing or just go to A.e and hear the nurses who think the gov loves them they are cooked up in an eviroment all day not the same as real world.alright for them eh
what you dont want is to stop good christian people who help and get a buzz from doing handouts so leave them be it helps both the person givin and the person recievin whats the gov jealous about oh they want to be the nanny then they can chipem. i am digressing all over but you dont have a heart in my book or your under 30 and ignorant and think your society as something to offer when really it is crumbling from within

f the system the system never worked ecept for the elite and bankers who know the laws and dont pay anything and if they do they get it back with interest but the working man pays pays and then pays and when he dies he pays

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[edit on 3/2/2010 by dashar]

Most Americans still believe the homeless is comprised of drunk, drugged out bums, criminals, lazy people and the mentally ill. Well it seems the numbers of homeless children is on the rise.

One in 50 children is homeless in the United States every year, according to a report released Tuesday. The report, by the National Center on Family Homelessness, analyzed data from 2005-06 and found that more than 1.5 million children were without a home.

"These numbers will grow as home foreclosures continue to rise," Ellen Bassuk, president of the center, said in a statement.

42 percent of homeless children are younger than 6.

• African-American and Native American children are disproportionately represented.

• More than 1 in 7 homeless children have moderate to severe health conditions, such as asthma.

• Approximately 1.16 million of homeless children today will not graduate from high school.

www.cnn.com...

This report was put together back in 09 using data from 05-06. I think the numbers are probably much higher today.

I am outraged with my state. On the CO Springs news it was reported that the number of homeless students is on the rise. A backpack food program was started a while ago so children could have breakfast/lunch on weekends when they didn't have access to the school food program. Now it seems with all the homeless families these children have been sharing their backpack foods with the whole family. An effort is being made to supplement these backpacks with food for the whole family. They got a $10,000. donation from QWEST, CO food stamp program. They went on to say the numbers are increasing. They are going to try to target schools with the highest number of homeless children.

I can assure you these new homeless people are not long term welfare recipients. People who make a living off welfare secured their housing generations ago, their mothers taught them how. No these people are left with nothing because the system is so overloaded. How many of you know there are long waiting lists for housing? Some housing is set aside for the elderly only and not available to families. Those already in housing are the priority. If the numbers in their family increases they have to be moved to larger housing. So there are waiting lists for those already in housing and lists for those waiting to get into housing. Another thing to consider is in order to receive help one must prove residency, kinda hard to do when you've lost your place of residence.

Colorado Springs is aware of the rising numbers of homeless children yet the best they can do is throw in an extra jar of peanut butter to feed the family for the weekend. The other thing they are looking into is outlawing camping within city limits. So I guess these families will be eating their peanut butter under the highway viaducts with the parolees.

We've got to change our mindset. TPTB want us to believe the homeless are lazy do nothings who deserve to be looked down upon. They are ashamed to admit it's the hard working middle class families that are being pushed out of their livelihoods/homes. The very people who voted them into office.

Just like we must shed the idea of the stereotypical homeless person we must also shed the idea that our leaders have our best interest at heart and if given a chance one side or the other will make a difference. Not going to happen. Our government no matter what the party affiliation is out for themselves and their buddies and your fooling yourself if you believe their drivel. Sorry for the rant but the homeless are not all bums and drunks. Sure some are self-imposed-homeless but the numbers of homeless we see on the rise is families. We've got to stop categorizing people along the same lines used in the past. This is the Not-So-Brave-New-World where nothing is the same as it was although TPTB would like us to just keep moving along nothing to see here.

All of you that want to put the homeless in work camps, how about we put all the politicians in political camps where they can learn to serve the constituents that put them in their lofty positions.

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I apologize for my crazy rant yesterday, and although it would be nice to give these people (homeless, criminals) free education, there are plenty of people that would love to go to college and can't because they can't afford it. I for one would have loved a free education but I graduated three years ago and I haven't even put a dent in what I owe for student loans. It just won't happen.

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Most top people in corporate America BELIEVE that homeless folk are drunks, drugged out scrounging bums, criminals, lazy and the mentally ill. ''

Most homeless folk KNOW that most top people in corporate America are drunks, drugged out scrounging bums, criminals, lazy and the mentally ill.

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In the 1950's, the Canadian Government decided to see how its excellent shiny new healthcare systems stacked up against the rest of the world. The result is not one that they liked. At that time, it turned iout that the highest level of infant mortality ANYWHERE in the world (including war zones) was amongst the Inuit of the North West Territories in Canada.

In the late 1990's a survey in Canada found that more than one in four Native North Americans on Reserves has committed suicide by the age of 25.

They used to own the whole damn continent, now they are being arrest for having to beg for a crust of food.

Originally posted by aristocrat2
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Most homeless folk KNOW that most top people in corporate America are drunks, drugged out scrounging bums, criminals, lazy and the mentally ill.

This is what's so scary. Even if we're doing ok for now with these wackos pulling the strings how can any of us be certain of anything?

They will simply outlaw the poor and homeless from their cities anyone aiding the homeless will risk a fine. Thus justifying/legalizing apathy.

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In the near future, many Indian Reserves face crises that could cause their enforced abandonment.

Under the treaties signed, often hundreds of years ago, these reserves will only allow people who are of Indian stock which is usually defined as connecting to within 8 generations. The problem is that Native North Americans are far more likely than any other racial group to intermarry outside their race. I have a friend Jamie who his the first generation to be refused Metis status as he is ninth Generation and so loses his ancestoral lands. In one of the large Reserves in the West of America, the treaty says that the Reserve can only exist whilst it is run by a purebred person of that tribe's stock - the problem is that they are now down to the very last man who has to stay eternally in office to keep the Reserve in existence; furthermore, he himself has married a white person, so when he dies, the Reserve dissolves.

At the current rate, almost every Reserve will have been abandoned and the descendent of its inhabitants thrown off homeless within the next century.

Many of these homeless Native people beggin gon the streets are ninth generation who are therefore finding themselves slung off their ancestoral lands and have nowhere to go.