Please Don't Feed the Animals.. (Homeless) edit; Title is a play on words , for those who can't ge

Man I can’t believe the attack the one poster got from leaving his/her idea about how to “HELP” the homeless out. I didn’t see him/her say anything about making it mandatory, but if I was homeless and on the streets and a city had a work camp with 3meals, and a roof over my head, and a means to better my current situation and help me get back on my feet, I would attend such camps. Not everybody is evil guys. (though it does seem)

If they don’t want to then whatever, if they want to and work for the rest of their lives in camps then whatever too. Guess the city gets labor for food and a bed. Not like a prison where that is provided and they just sit on their hind ends.

reply to post by Sean48


You know homeless people used to have jobs, they used to be like you and me. Calling them animals makes you no more of a man then they are.

Originally posted by tigpoppa
reply to post by Sean48

 

why cant they just put the homeless in work camps?
I read all those threads about how we have these camps. those would be perfect places for the homeless. They would get a roof over their head and could go out and clean the streets during the day or work in a mine. I mean at least they would be doing something.

That comment makes me laugh. Of course, it would be wrong to force the homeless into work camps. It's their life to lead, as they choose, and I would never support such an action.
However......You do realize that the homeless issue is, in fact, connected to the abolishment of slavery? The slave class was previously a social class where those who fell into various categories were used in labor in return for the chance to remain alive. Aside from groups such as prisoners of war and those in debt that could not repay, there were also those who relied on the existence of slavery to provide for their basic needs. This is, in fact, how a number of Irish people came to the New World, and, interestingly enough, where the use of the word "'n-word'" became commonplace in the New World, for the "Irish 'n-word's." Just as a lot of black slaves from Africa were sold into slavery by their peers because they were either prisoners of war or those who could not provide for themselves.

So, you see, as horrible as slavery could be, it did serve a purpose in society, one that we have failed to replace, as of yet. Is a return to slavery the answer? Of course not. But there does need to be an answer, because right now the homeless suffer worse than most slaves ever did. At least slaves were valued as property and maintained as such; the homeless are just seen as trash, more often than not.

Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by JahKinG SouLJaH



Why would you name this thread "Dont feed the Animals (homeless)"!!???

Why that statement towards homeless people????!!!!!?????

Fuccd up!

The title was a reflection of the story.

It was implying what the story was eluding too.

Further explanation available if needed.

(I can't believe I had to explain this)

Originally posted by SuperSlovak
reply to post by Sean48

 

You know homeless people used to have jobs, they used to be like you and me. Calling them animals makes you no more of a man then they are.

Wrong, it makes him less of a man. This is not flameing or being a troll. It is just plain simple fact.

The homeless is a tricky situation. In Vancouver we have the APC(Anti Poverty Coalition) doing all sorts of stuff trying to get the Gov't to dump truckloads of money at the problem. The thing they fail to realize in their argument is that mathematically speaking in a society such as ours there will always be poor people, drug addicts, alcoholics and such. That is a mathematical probability!

I lived under the "Official" poverty line of $26000/year for about 4 years in a row when the "Softwood Lumber Dispute" with the US developed. I went from making around $95000-$100000/year to almost nothing and there were no jobs in the shipping industry(cargo ships). The difference between me and some of my fellow citizens is that I did whatever it took to keep that roof over my head. One year I worked 5 part-time jobs to scrape together enough to get by. Others face adversity in a different manner and simply cave-in on themselves.

It sucks to struggle. I know first hand what that's like and a few times over that rough patch I was close to loosing what little I had.

Life sucks sometimes and it's what we do when faced with a challenge that defines who we are. There are those that don't rise up to meet this challenge and they are the "Homeless, BUMS, generational welfare families.

To lighten the mood a little here's some comedy on the topic.

WARNING COARSE LANGUAGE! VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED!

reply to post by apacheman


You might need to explain the phrase "in the barrel" to him, I doubt he knows. I too have been homeless, technechly I am now as my home was destroyed 4MAR09. Been living on charity since. Thank God for wifi.

reply to post by Sean48


I see you changed the title of your thread for the more myopic amongst us. Amazing the amount of tunnelvision out there.

reply to post by tigpoppa


Look. most "homeless" people would LOVE to go to some type of a work camp. a place where you would do some work and your rent and food would be paid for. and the more you work the more rent you can pay. and if you work a little more you can have some entertainment. DEAL. That is all America is anyhow right?

The problem is, when you say "work"camp, what kind of work are you talking about. there aren't really all that many jobs out there. nothing really to mine for. and the farmers don't really need as much help as they used to.

How bout instead of workcamps, build just regular camps?

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
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I see you changed the title of your thread for the more myopic amongst us. Amazing the amount of tunnelvision out there.

I was getting u2 about it .

Some folks need a R on their right shoe , and a L on their left shoe.

Funny.. Not only do I live in Miami, but I go to school in downtown and walk by all the homeless people on the way every morning.
I feel so much remorse.. most of them have some serious schizophrenia. I knew this one dreaded guy who would curse in Haitian at an imaginary person EVERY DAY. I walked by him and offered him some donuts and he snapped back to reality immediately and said "Yes please, Thank you very much" in an eloquent manner.

America of all places would seem a strange place to look down on the homeless when the country was built by homeless people.

Do you think all those cowboys and trappers had nice little condos waiting for them back east?

The obvious thing to do that no-one will consider is to stop the flow of people into homelessness in the first place.

Here some key thoughts...

- In the late 1980's, a syrvey was done in London, England that was truly shocking and changed some public policies. Researchers found that 25% of all homeless people living on the streets had been in the Army - and that doesn't include those who were in the navy and air force. Consider, not only do soldiers have the problem of readjusting to an environment where everything is no longer ordered for them, many of them also being damaged physically as well as by post-traumatic syndrome, but what use if the ability to fire an anti-tank rifle to an employer? After the First World War, a major policy of building a "country fit for heroes" was followed and after the Second World War, the Government made sure that soldiers going back onto civvy street recieved a couple of "demob suits" as well as training to help them in the outside world. Yet nowadays, swervicemen who have risked their lives for America are told that they are a threat to their nation, treated with suspicion and dumped on the city streets with no skills useful to anyone outsidethe narcotics gangster scene.

- Many young girls and boys run away from home because of abuse, either sexual or physical by relatives. My own girlfriend (now 36) ran away from home at 14 after repearted beatings by her mother. Fortunately we live in Canada so she got a future, but if Canada can do it, why can't the USA.

- Regarding the homeless person as a problem is a cenrtal core of what is wrong. I saw a programme about a bunch of Sudan Christian orphans who were given a new home and future in Dallas, Texas. The people looking after them just simply kept thinking how to get them jobs at McDonalds or in a machine shop. None of them considered do these people have really useful skills that could help our country? Consider, these kids are all fluently English/Arabic bilingual. Did no-one have the smarts to think, hmmm, Dallas is big player in the oil business and ost of the oil comes from the Middle East where they all speak a funny language we don't called ARABIC. Like DUH! Over and over again, what is good or useful about a homeless person is never considered, only the problems and the needs that he has. Even if someone is a liar and cheat, maybe this is a skill set that could form the basis of a future career in acting, a prefession dependent on pursuading the public that you are someone else.

- Many poor people reach a point that they cannot afford rents because they are rapidly driven up by those who can. In many ghetto areas, black market activities like the drugs trade and gangsterism provide a strong source of revenue that leaves honest but poor people unable to compete. The bigger government is and the more rules there are, the more money there is by being a law-breaking lowlife and the worse off honest people are. Drugs don't just destroy the lives of those who use or deal in them, they also destroy the lives of the innocent who can't compete in the market place for rents with the criminals.

- No-one ever considers giving homeless and jobless people the opportunity to earn money from low cost entry things, for example writng or becoming a screenwriter. Maybe access to a word processor, a copy of Final Draft or just a wrd processor could revolutionise someone's life. The quintessential American novel, "The Wizard Of Oz" was written by Frank Baum, a man who was, by any score, a homeless loser until the age of 56 when he wroteit, the first of a whole string aof fabulously successful books. Madonna used to live on the street, living on half-eatne Big Macs from trash cans until her success with "Desparately Seeking Susan". The same is true of Joe Cocker who was utterly homeless for many years before he was "discovered" and someone suggested that he should record an album. Often all it needs is someone to give them a small break with access to writing software or a suggestion of a new career.

reply to post by Sean48


I think homeless people should be helped.
Alot drink or sniff glue to keep warm or they sleep in the day time as night can freeze them .
My favorite homeless guy is???
there is a following on youtube this is how we brits treat homeless as friends really and give em dosh?
carnt link it i normally can so here link

www.youtube.com...

hes 200 miles from me but we got look alikes around my town and i givem money even if they do buy cider ,days must be long and i know for a fact a lot of them are from the state system and been abused while in care. just a thought to add to the unfeeling masses,
and
www.youtube.com...

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[edit on 3/1/2010 by dashar]

If Forced work camps for the homeless already existed, here's JUST A FEW of the people who at some time in their lives were homeless who would have then achieved nothing with their lives:-

Frank Baum, author of Wizard Of Oz
Ben Affleck
Madonna
Billy The Kid
The Marx Brothers
Joe Cocker
Thomas Edison
Henry Ford
Bonnie & Clyde
Matt LeBlanc (when he telephoned his agent to find out that he had been cast in "Friends" he had just $12 left in the world)

If work camps for the homeless already existed, all these people would be unknown to us today and none of their life achievements would now exist.

They are going to force people (even homeless are people) to do things outside of the "norm". I hate to say it but they are forcing a coming civil war down our throats and there is nothing that we can do about it. I'm sorry folks but people are going to die.

reply to post by aristocrat2



cheers to a contructive post.

i often think as i drive past or meet various homeless poeple of different sorts, that if i ever needed to create an army i would recruit all these guys, and divide them up according to their abilities like suggested.

if you actually give it some thought they start to look very valueble/useful. not to mention all the ones who might just have some impressive history in the military or other experience already. there current situation has no bearing on their potential. for all we know they are already "overqualified" for certain jobs.

in some cases ive met homeless poeple who i would much rather have at the bank teller window than the person who currently fills the position. or at the drive through window. or at the grocery store.

a person whos experienced the #-end of society is more motivated to be a valueble asset than some snot nosed teenager whos going to complain about every little thing, be lazy, and expect handouts. or at the very worst perform the same...

Ya see, this is the problem we are having here in the US of A! Now even if some one wants to be a humanitarian and help out his fellow brother who is down on his or her luck, you will need to navigate through what will likely become a massive bureaucracy that will be making it a crime to help out your neighbor, if you dont pay up.

Ive worked with the homeless, each person has a different problem and need. Homeless is not a race of people. Most have stories that would bring a tear to your eye. Many are addicted, yes. And many are Mentally Ill and wont get help, Yes. But many have been through hell, and could use a hand up.

Go to class to feed them?? Thats just crazy. What kind of idiot could come up with that, sure if your opening a shelter, but giving them a sandwich?

Strange world.

Hoe do you spell "state of stupidity"?

Ans: F L O R I D A

Every really stupid idea seems to come from this state anymore.

Far too much floridated water.

i cant believe this its ridiculous the homeless in usa should be taken care of before were giving relief in haiti and such.