Coca-Cola Agrees The Winners Can't Be White.

maybe when slaves were being brutalized and multiple generations of their progeny were denied education, rights and dignity, it occurred to newly americanized africans to consider how well they were supporting the existing rights of the established power holders. maybe not.

Originally posted by PayMeh

Originally posted by ImaNutter

White culture doesn't have a part in tribal Africa (other than stealing from it). So why are they competing in what boils down to a tribal ritual competition?

If white fraternities and sororities want to compete in something like this the very least they could do is source some Nordic rhythm and rituals...

WTF... I'm pretty sure that the African Americans competing in this competition HAVE NO DIRECT TRIBAL ROOTS.. We're American, we grow up in the same country... Cuban and Latin Americans have a thousand times more claim to heritage than 99.9% of AAs in this country BECAUSE MANY OF THEM IMMIGRATED.. Face it. AAs share the same heritage as I do.


It's time we stopped worrying about offending people and give merit based on ability talent and skill. If the NAACP was truly concerned about advancing their agenda they would fight tooth and nail against these kinds of things. All it does is make "minorities" complacent and slows personal growth.

well, the only difference is i wonder if your ancestors were physically forced to work the fields until their fingers bled ... and then, in the worst case scenario, if they were even still beaten and/or raped/and or used as items of entertainment or demonstrations of power. if they and their children were denied education or the realization that they were human beings or anything above the family dog. 'cause it matters. once you've been "given emancipation," but then, in actuality, denied said freedom for another hundred plus years, there's a cultural mistrust/valid concern and ye olde chip on the shoulder develops. rather than criticizing the ones we once enslaved for their attitude, perhaps we could be a little more introspective and consider that we are the problem, not the ones whose skin and bones we walked all over.

Originally posted by Hadrian

Originally posted by PayMeh

Originally posted by ImaNutter

White culture doesn't have a part in tribal Africa (other than stealing from it). So why are they competing in what boils down to a tribal ritual competition?

If white fraternities and sororities want to compete in something like this the very least they could do is source some Nordic rhythm and rituals...

WTF... I'm pretty sure that the African Americans competing in this competition HAVE NO DIRECT TRIBAL ROOTS.. We're American, we grow up in the same country... Cuban and Latin Americans have a thousand times more claim to heritage than 99.9% of AAs in this country BECAUSE MANY OF THEM IMMIGRATED.. Face it. AAs share the same heritage as I do.


It's time we stopped worrying about offending people and give merit based on ability talent and skill. If the NAACP was truly concerned about advancing their agenda they would fight tooth and nail against these kinds of things. All it does is make "minorities" complacent and slows personal growth.

well, the only difference is i wonder if your ancestors were physically forced to work the fields until their fingers bled ... and then, in the worst case scenario, if they were even still beaten and/or raped/and or used as items of entertainment or demonstrations of power. if they and their children were denied education or the realization that they were human beings or anything above the family dog. 'cause it matters. once you've been "given emancipation," but then, in actuality, denied said freedom for another hundred plus years, there's a cultural mistrust/valid concern and ye olde chip on the shoulder develops. rather than criticizing the ones we once enslaved for their attitude, perhaps we could be a little more introspective and consider that we are the problem, not the ones whose skin and bones we walked all over.

ohh boo hoo.
The thing is ancestors are dead and so is the time they lived in. How are we ever supposed to move on as the human race if we continually live in the past.

when the prize is scholarships, it opens up any competition, i spose they where pissed that they all got owned by whitey, white and black should have equal chance of the prize, anyway was it not the best way to understand and embrace another culture by becoming part of it, even if you do it better, lol

Originally posted by ImaNutter

Originally posted by smarteye
reply to post by ImaNutter

 

So in short you believe that there are certain activities where participation should be exclusive and limited to a certain race? Sounds kind of Ku Klux Klansy me.

LOL I wish I could fly you out here to spend a day with me so you could promptly recant on your ignorance.

First you call me a troll and now you're going Ku Klux Klansy on me? What a joke. Consider this the last time I waste my time responding to you.

I'm not saying that you are a klansman. I'm saying your idea of racial exclusion is similar, only on the other end of the spectrum. I'm sorry if that was over your head.

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I applaud the Mods for not getting involved in censoring posts on this thread. Sure, some of the comments are inflammatory and make some of us uncomfortable but I think the whole issue of racism is far too important for us to simply throw in the towel and shut down the conversation because someone's feelings get hurt.
This is the price of free speech but at least we have the opportunity to delve into this issue more deeply than just a superficial level. Thank you ATS for giving us this forum to participate in.
It would be very easy for a Mod to jump in and bash someone and be quite popular for doing so.
I feel the issue of racism (and our collective futures) are far more important than hurt feelings.

This whole thing is a sham. As ridiculously stupid as I think step dancing is, a winner is a winner. Period. I went back and watched the video (against my better judgment) and thought it was kind of humerous how the audience (who was entirely or almost entirely black) went nuts with applause during the performance, but then boo'ed when the winner was chosen. I saw a lot of people argue that this sort of thing was created by black people so white people couldn't/shouldn't even be doing it, let alone winning competitions. Fair enough, but last I checked James Naismith was white. He created basketball. Now guess which race pretty much dominates basketball. Same goes for baseball, American football, etc. Michael Jordan never shared his MVP with a white player, nor should he have. He was better, plain and simple.

I guess on a small plus side of this whole ludicrous attempt at appeasement is that twice the amount of students got scholarships. It's so incredibly stupid that it came to that, but an education is an education regardless of who it goes to. I wonder if the next competition will have a "whites only" section of the program just so everyone's clear.

It's Atlanta.

And yes, only white people are racist according to everyone who isn't white it would seem. Also, there is the stigma of white self hate that is found in predominantly mixed societal cultures.

Blacks are racist too and in my experience, the most openly racist folks are asians.

But, that doesn't fit with the narrative. so go figure! lol

It's not important.

Reply to Hadrian

Very good point.

But as it was our forefathers who did this and not me, or anyone of us here today, it will be the forefathers have that mark on their soul. I know was wrong what that did. But when equality is what we want, then entitlement will stand nullified by equality alone. Now since I know that equality is the best way to go. Why on earth would I stand to be treated as less, just because someone who is my equal thinks entitlement is greater than equality. One who thinks that are of the same frame of mind as the one's that wanted slavery.

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Five stars, three cheers, and two thumbs up for you my friend! I cannot understand why your post does not have a galaxy of stars. Black people can ice skate. White people can play the blues. And in the end we really can all get along.

Step has nothing to do with Tribal ANYTHING...it was a ripped off revamped ripoff of cheerleading, that's the truth of the matter, that's so much as stated in the movie about the dance, it's cheer teams and dance squads that is the inspiration for step.

This is a response to Coca-Cola's actions and every post by ImaNutter in this thread;

I just sent an email to Coke asking the following questions:
1. Did they consider how fast the competition results and aftershocks would go around the internet? It's not all ATS and it's not looking good for Coke.
2. In their effort to market to "Urban" customers by these actions, where they willing to alienate up to 20% of their other domestic customers?
3. Did they break out their in-house studies of the New Coke debacle and plan a PR response when their actions became known?

Of course New Coke was a different problem, but hideously stupid PR moves are hideously stupid no matter what the cause.

Finally, it is pointless to argue with unfortunate people who got "Afro-centric educations" and now think Plato, Caesar and Christ were black. Like people with genetic disorders, there's nothing you can do for them.

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It seems I am partly right, however it is based in tribal african roots somewhat, but loosely.

Another form of step dancing, Stepping, has been popularized by National Pan-Hellenic Council. This step dance has African roots and is an African American tradition as well as part of Black History. The members of the fraternities and sororities join in steps — elaborate synchronized group routines that are performed in competitions between the fraternities and sororities called "step shows." Step shows incorporates cheerleading, military, and drill-team moves, especially the call-and-response element inherent in those forms. These aspects are not only important to the energy of stepping for entertainment use but also for bonding and pride within their organizations.

Source

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With your line of thinking there would be no more winter games...
hockey=canadian=only canada competes
curling=scottish=only scotland could compete
Ice skating=swiss= only switzerland could compete
skiing=Norwegian=Norway could only compete...

shall I go on????


I could actually back this, as I am tired of the Olympics hijacking the season...lol...not really!!!

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Originally posted by Torgo
reply to post by badw0lf

 

Don't you have anything better to do? I hear Howard and Vince are moonlighting for a new club in Edinburgh!

Now you can try it in English for someone in Australia. Because whatever jab you just gave, is utterly pointless.

Try drinking water.

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Well it certainly does look like that which makes the claiming arguement of the black nationalistic idiot class complete hogwash.

Here is a thought. Most of the slaves came from west Africa. west african dance is polyrthmic with various parts orf the body moving to different tempos. It is hard to do if you have a background in westgern dance. you can see elelment s of it in body popping and salsa.

Now take a look at black step dancers. Where are the polyrythmic movements???

I agree it seems like a mix of dance and cheerleading to me.

T




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How come their is no mention of racism? I'm just blown away by this.

I'm guessing that the scoring discrepancy is that the judges forgot to deduct points for being white?

Don't be silly, everyone knows that it is perfectly acceptable to be racist as long as you aren't white. Duh!!!

Originally posted by Hadrian

well, the only difference is i wonder if your ancestors were physically forced to work the fields until their fingers bled ... and then, in the worst case scenario, if they were even still beaten and/or raped/and or used as items of entertainment or demonstrations of power. if they and their children were denied education or the realization that they were human beings or anything above the family dog. 'cause it matters.

You dont really know much about history, do you? Where did you learn all that, from watching Roots? How far back in history do you want to go?

Do you really think that only Africans have been slaved? Have been whipped for disobedience? Raped by those who were their "masters" or "lords" depending on the customary title of the time? Denied education and treated like domesticated animals? Really?

What makes what happened in America "special" is that it is more recent, that for the first time (among northern Europeans) the class of people being treated thusly were easier to tell from the masters, (different skin color) and they were freed without themselves mounting a revolution against those exploiting them. No one in their right mind would say what happened to the African slaves was good, or just.

The suffering of your ancestors does not give you, as an individual, a right to claim that suffering as your own. A woman does not get to claim a special right in this time frame for being angry and resentful because her "people" (women) were beaten, denied education, treated like property, raped by their masters (husbands) etc, etc, for however many centuries. She has a right to be angry and resentful for any wrongs done to her, personally, and I would suggest that even that anger and resentment should be limited in scope, not to spare the person who did her wrong, but to spare herself a lifetime of anger and resentment.

Oddly enough, women as a class, have been able on the whole to move past their history. Oddly enough, so have most other groups who have been slaved in the past, or treated harshly by their "masters," "lords," "kings" "Czars" "ceasers" whatever they happened to be called in the time and place where that happened. Do you know why? Its because the idea that you get to wallow in the suffering of your ancestors or the suffering of those that can creatively be construed to be your group, is a relatively new concept. Never in the past was their any profit in that behavior. If you chose to wallow in the past rather than pick up and move on, you died. Wallowing in your past. Never before in history have we rewarded that behavior in ANY culture. Until now. Now, it pays.

Furthermore, the poor whites that bear the burden of the resentment and anger from poor blacks, likely DID have ancestors that were in a very similar boat, if not exactly the same boat. The people who perpetrated the crime are not the same people paying the costs for the crime. Pitting the have-nots against one another is a technique used successfully time and time again historically by the haves so that they may have more. It is no different now. While we have been bickering about who is better, the Republicans or the Democrats, the blacks or the whites, the educated or the uneducated..... our democracy that was paid for with the blood of poor whites and blacks alike is being stolen from us all.

Indentured servants, male and female, were whipped in America. Its a matter of record.

eh.net...

Granted, the period they had to endure such treatment was finite, if they did not die while indentured. And I certainly will not claim that it is the same to be a slave for life, and an indentured servant for a period of years. But lets not pretend that whites historically have no experience of mistreatment, humiliation, rape, etc. The bottom line is, we dont remember it, we dont seek out information that reminds us of that, we dont identify strongly with those times. Why? Because we dont have genetic memory of it, any more than blacks do. You have to actively work at maintaining a culture of victimhood. You have to internalize it, and tell yourself over and over again the stories of what happened to "your kind" and you have to nurture that. Its a choice.

Some individuals do that in their own lives, regardless of their skin color, forever being a "survivor" (read victim) of some past trauma. "Oh I was abused as a child, I grew up poor, I was beaten by my first husband, my wife cheated on me..." They use what happened to them as a blanket excuse for how they treat others, what they do or dont do, or to get others to do for them. Bad things happen to lots of people. Not all people choose to make a career out of wallowing in those bad things. Some acknowledge the wrongs done to them, do what they can to rectify it, and then they move on. Thats a choice too.

“I can be changed by what happens to me. but i refuse to be reduced by it.”

Maya Angelou

This is ridiculous - give me a break.


And people wonder why racism still exists in the world.

It's because people STILL can't get over the fact that there are people of different skin colors. Jeez.


Things like this only make racism worse because they are accenting the fact that there are two different races.


Good Lord...