Coca-Cola Agrees The Winners Can't Be White.

In my time of being a member here, I have seen some crazy threads and posted in quite a few of them. However, this thread has me scratching my head.

A thread gets front page status for a time being with racial slurs and inuendos being thrown back and forth, a new member just registered yesterday whose only posts have been in this thread and has done NOTHING but derail the post and promote hateful race-related remarks designed only to inflame anyone not black.

And, to top it off, not one mod intervening, even when I know a couple of alerts to the above said poster were sent to the staff.

Not only has Coca-Cola made a mistake with their co-winner decision, but I think ATS has gotten it wrong for not getting a mod involved with this thread.

I don't understand this at all...very unlike ATS staff.

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reply to post by K J Gunderson

All you are doing is telling us what you think.

Incorrect. I'm telling you that the claims people are making pertaining to whites not having any sort of privilege are unfounded.

What is wrong with posting an example here?

I posted the examples in the form of links. You either read the links and address the premise in each one, or you search this site for the things I told you to search. (Doing so will net you plenty of examples in threads where I, myself, posted examples.)

You seem to think your links are FULL of examples of white privilege.

They are. R-E-A-D the links with a critical mind and you'll see they are full of examples. One link gives you a run down of examples but why is it that you missed it?

I asked you crystallize here in a post for us and you failed to do so. Sad.

I'm telling you to R-E-A-D the information given to you, which presents a cogent argument pertaining to the the existance of white privilege and you can't. Sad. Now if you don't understand, say so, but don't try to make a mockery of intelligence by debating the information presented without reading it from a critical perspective.

-I followed your links and I can search for opinions all day long but that is not what I want. I want a fact to back that opinion up. Do you have any or not?

They are not opinions. They provide clear cut FACTS. Here, let me expose you for what you are. Either you really want to learn or you really want to debate something you obviously know nothing about. This is how we'll prove it. You claim you read each link. With that being said, what is the thesis or premise of each specific link? While they all pertain to white privilege, they each have a different premise and thesis. You tell me and I'll reconsider telling you to use this sites search function and I'll give you examples that may be more easier for you to grasp.

If you can't...



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reply to post by Freenrgy2


Do you think his posts are the only ones that are questionable? Maybe you should look at some of the replies on page 5.

reply to post by undo


Who has it worst/worse is something that can't be quantified, but black women do have it bad. However, a reason why many black women have it bad stems not only from racism but from feminism and adopting values of feminism that hinder the progression of the black family/black community.

reply to post by SpacePunk


Dude, me too. I'm pretty white, and the advantage has been extremely elusive.

As for Coca-Cola, I will certainly be buying Pepsi products going forward.

This story is nothing less than disgusting, and like others have said, it makes me want to just stop trying to "just get along" when I see that black audience booing and sneering at the team that kicked the crap out of the rest of them, just because they're white.

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Freenrgy2

 

Do you think his posts are the only ones that are questionable? Maybe you should look at some of the replies on page 5.

Probably just where I picked up in the thread. If there are others, then you prove my point as to why a mod has not intervened or commented as alerts have been sent to staff.

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by SpacePunk

 

Dude, me too. I'm pretty white, and the advantage has been extremely elusive.

As for Coca-Cola, I will certainly be buying Pepsi products going forward.

This story is nothing less than disgusting, and like others have said, it makes me want to just stop trying to "just get along" when I see that black audience booing and sneering at the team that kicked the crap out of the rest of them, just because they're white.

I'm with you on the Pepsi thing. I've stopped trying to get along with anybody. I came to realize that I can't please everybody, so why try to please anybody? I treat everybody equally. If someone is worthy of praise, they get it. If someone is worthy of a verbal kick in the butt, they get it. No holding back, no mincing words. Since I started doing that my stress level has plummeted. I make fun of everybody, I use all the 'bad' words, I tell jokes based on religion, race, ethnicity, nationality, etc... I drag out ALL the stereotypes. Everyone gets equal treatment. If they can't handle it then that's their problem.

Originally posted by EMPIRE
I posted the examples in the form of links. You either read the links and address the premise in each one, or you search this site for the things I told you to search. (Doing so will net you plenty of examples in threads where I, myself, posted examples.)

You posted long lists that would take pages to tear apart. I am more than willing to do that if you want to start a thread. The point was that you could use one post to pick one that you feel is so factual that it cannot be debated. You have failed to do so.

This shows that not only do your links not prove what you want them to but that you have not even found anything in there that proves what you want them to either.

I gave you 3 tries and you could not even give it a shot. Bye.

reply to post by K J Gunderson

You posted long lists that would take pages to tear apart.

But wait a minute. You said you read the links. So if you read the links, and did so from a critical perspective, you would already know the premise/thesis to each one.

I am more than willing to do that if you want to start a thread.

No, you said you read the information posted, so prove it here. I don't need to make another thread as I didn't make another thread for the information.

The point was that you could use one post to pick one that you feel is so factual that it cannot be debated. You have failed to do so.

The point is you L-I-E-D about reading the links, want to jerk me around like I'm your lap dog, and expect for me to do as you please. No. What you have done is failed to use any type of logic to validate the merits of your claims while using word jugglery, lies and fallacies to remove and shift of responsibility from yourself.

This shows that not only do your links not prove what you want them to but that you have not even found anything in there that proves what you want them to either.

Wrong. If you had done as I suggested you do, which is use the search function of this site, you would see I've previously posted one of the links and have gone in depth about the subject matter you clearly know nothing about. I told you to read the links, you lied and said you did, now when I'm calling you on I'm in the wrong. LOL!

I gave you 3 tries and you could not even give it a shot. Bye.

First off, you don't give me anything. Get that in your head. Second of all, you were given information and you L-I-E-D and said you read the information now you're claiming it is too long? Kick rocks. You've been exposed as a flim flammer and harbinger of idiocy.

EDITED TO ADD: I'm glad the "I HATE EMPIRE SO MUCH I STAR IDIOCY" fan club gave you a special treat.

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Originally posted by EMPIRE

But wait a minute. You said you read the links. So if you read the links, and did so from a critical perspective, you would already know the premise/thesis to each one.

So I am going to actually have to hit that ignore button then? You are obviously not even paying attention. I told you I read them. I got the premise. They are opinions, not fact. I asked you to find the facts I am apparently missing. You want to play games instead. I do not.

First off, you don't give me anything. Get that in your head. Second of all, you were given information and you L-I-E-D and said you read the information now you're claiming it is too long?

Yup, you are just playing games. I never said anything was too long to read. I said they were too long to repost in this thread and tear apart item by item so I asked you to narrow it down. You cannot be this stupid but I am done.

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Originally posted by K J Gunderson

Originally posted by BiGGz
God forbid we have a 'White Entertainment Television' channel, or perhaps, white history month...

Oh no, if that happened, there would be chaos and riots!

To all the people claiming that all history is white history and all channels are white channels and other such nonsense, I would like to relate a story. I went to a school with 5 white people in the graduating class. Every year I would find myself in at least one argument per week about BHM. They would claim that all they learn is white history so they deserve a month.

That is when I would issue the following challenge. I will name as many famous black historical figures and you match it with people from my heritage. This gives you Irish, German, English, Native American, and Scottish. Guess how many times it ended with someone matching or besting my list? 0

Guess how many times it ended with me being called a racial slur or threatened with violence. For people who complain about being bombarded with so much white history, they seemed to have heard very little of it.

This was my school in my town. I am not trying to say this is something that can be extrapolated in any way but I thought it was at least mildly relevant.

One of the most heartbreaking aspects of race in America is that many blacks feel that paying attention and doing well in school is a form of selling out and "acting white". The tools of success are rejected via peer pressure and then the subsequent failure in later life is blamed on racism.

No problem has ever been solved when people are afraid to speak about it out loud.

THAT is a REAL conspiracy that is hiding in plain sight.

reply to post by K J Gunderson


You got the premise? They are opinions not fact?

ROFL!

I'm done. Please, USE your ignore button right now and I'll use mine because you've clearly shown you lack the cognitive skills required to understand what I've said and what was conveyed in the links.

dictionary.reference.com...
dictionary.reference.com...

If you read the links, like you claimed, you would understand the premise/thesis of each one and would not make the claim that they are too long to tear apart.

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reply to post by EMPIRE


I looked at your links and laughed.

What is your definition of "willingly" when it comes to peoples ancestors coming here? You mean like, "you go to America as an indentured prisoner or die?" I guess that is a choice. Or, do you mean like being driven out during the land clearances in Europe and having to sell yourself into indenture because you suddenly had no home? Or is the assumption that all Europeans came here on a lark? Driven by the spirit of adventure? The fact of the matter is, that very high percentages of immigrants from Europe at different times in history, were here because the were going to die if they stayed. And they sold themselves to pay for their passage.

Besides, you dont get to cry about what happened to your ancestors and use it as an excuse for your own behavior. My ancestors were driven off the land they lived on historically. And, it sucked to be them. But I am not them, I am me. And I am responsible for my own success or failure, as I define that.

Secondly, the Irish also were discriminated against when it came to employment here in the US during some time periods. New immigrants from a lot of places had it rough. Not just "non-whites." A lot of people started their own businesses or sold their labor privately (as servants) when they could not get on with companies.

I grew up in foster care. In a small town on Oahu. And there was lots of racism there. Against me. I heard every possible racial slur, and had to fight on a regular basis because of my skin color. I went to a public school and was among a very few other whites there. We did not get any special treatment or help from our primarily non-white teachers. (Though I did end up in the gifted program because of my test scores, not my skin color, and that was a lot better because they gave us the better teachers who were less racist and more intelligent themselves.)

I went to work as a laborer after high school to save money for college, I paid for that college education myself, working many crappy jobs along the way. As a female, I also had to deal with the fact that initially, I was not wanted in the construction trade. It sucks when you are discriminated against, but it happens to a lot of people, for a lot of reasons, not only race and gender. I fought long and hard for every promotion, and finally became a tradesman. I did eventually earn the respect of my peers however, by working hard and not quitting or whining just because it was rough. (And it was really rough some days.)

I wont bore everyone with all the little details, but bottom line. You cant tell what someones life experience has been because of their skin color. And there is no inherent privilege to being white. Poor people of all colors and genders have it harder than rich people. Ugly people have it harder than pretty people. Fat people have it harder than average people. Short people have it harder than tall people and dumb people have it rougher than intelligent people.

Face it, life isnt fair. For most of us. You can cry about it, and spend your life a victim, often using your suffering or hardship as an excuse to underachieve or even to victimize others when you vent your anger on them. Or, you can realize that no matter how flawed our (yes OUR all of ours, it isnt only whites living on that Indian land your list speaks of) country may be when compared to some imaginary ideal nation, you are damned lucky to be in this country at this point in history, when the only thing stopping you from bettering yourself is your own attitude and your inherent physical and mental gifts or limitations.

I am not naive enough to believe that everyone can achieve fame and wealth simply by willing it and working hard. But I do believe that you can have a good life here in this country if you are willing to work through the difficulties and not focus incessantly on what you think you should have had. I would be a lot further along financially if I had rich parents to pay for my education and then die and leave me money. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Its the same for everyone. The wise dont focus on what they dont have, or what they missed, or fantasize about how life would have been if they were the sons or daughters of kings, they focus on what they can do, with what they have, and what they can still aim for.

A life spent comparing yourself to those you perceive as being more fortunate than you, and lamenting your lot is a life wasted. Not by those you think have it better than you, or those you want to believe are holding you down. Its wasted by YOU and only you. Even digging ditches I found something to be grateful for, and I enjoyed my life. I didnt sit there seething and resentful because somewhere someone else had benefited from my ancestors misery. How stupid is that.

reply to post by EMPIRE


why are we making this about each other? I really truthfully don't get it...especially in light of our big wake-up call from the big guy.

Dont' be angry at him because he refuses to see things your way

be angry at yourself because you can't figure out a way to make him "see the light"

The fact of the matter is - if this had been the other way around - black people would have been all over it boycotting coke. Jay-Z would make a rap about how great Pepsi is, Jesse Jackson would gather a group of a few hundred thousand black people, and call it A Million Men Drinking Pepsi and the white people would remain the fay-gray blue eyed devils.


Fine. Let them be stupid. Use their arguments against them. Next time someone says "YOU ARE WHITE!" as though it were a bad thing, just reply with "Yah? So? Are you jealous?"


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reply to post by Angus123


I could not agree more as I witnessed this first hand in my high school. Taking an honors or AP class was considered selling out by their peers. Consequently those classes were dominated by the few Asians and Hispanics as well as 3 of the 5 white kids. I know that many of the black kids I shared gym class with were more than smart enough to be in those classes but just could not sell their black souls to do it. My high school was one big anti-white joke!

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander

I looked at your links and laughed.

So? I looked at your posts and laughed. However, at least I read yours. You see the difference?

What is your definition of "willingly" when it comes to peoples ancestors coming here? You mean like, "you go to America as an indentured prisoner or die?" I guess that is a choice. Or, do you mean like being driven out during the land clearances in Europe and having to sell yourself into indenture because you suddenly had no home?

You just repeated the same thing twice. As for my definition it can be found here:

www.merriam-webster.com...

Or is the assumption that all Europeans came here on a lark? Driven by the spirit of adventure? The fact of the matter is, that very high percentages of immigrants from Europe at different times in history, were here because the were going to die if they stayed. And they sold themselves to pay for their passage.

Why are you telling me this? Have I implied that this was not the case? If so where?

Besides, you dont get to cry about what happened to your ancestors and use it as an excuse for your own behavior. My ancestors were driven off the land they lived on historically. And, it sucked to be them. But I am not them, I am me. And I am responsible for my own success or failure, as I define that.

Clarification is in order. When you used “you” just now were you referring to me specifically or speaking in general? If speaking in general I have something to add after you reply. However, if you’re speaking to me personally, I’d like for you to explain where I’ve cried about what has happened to my ancestors when I’ve NEVER told anyone on this site what my ethnicity/race is?

Secondly, the Irish also were discriminated against when it came to employment here in the US during some time periods. New immigrants from a lot of places had it rough. Not just "non-whites." A lot of people started their own businesses or sold their labor privately (as servants) when they could not get on with companies.

And? The Irish have white privilege, just ask the kids in the suburbs of Boston.

I grew up in foster care. In a small town on Oahu. And there was lots of racism there. Against me. I heard every possible racial slur, and had to fight on a regular basis because of my skin color. I went to a public school and was among a very few other whites there. We did not get any special treatment or help from our primarily non-white teachers. (Though I did end up in the gifted program because of my test scores, not my skin color, and that was a lot better because they gave us the better teachers who were less racist and more intelligent themselves.)

Right now would you be subjected to gentrification? Right now can you go into a shopping mall and not be followed? Right now does this country hold Eurocentrism with such high regards that it actually extends outside the borders of this country?

I went to work as a laborer after high school to save money for college, I did eventually earn the respect of my peers however, by working hard and not quitting or whining just because it was rough. (And it was really rough some days.)

That is a nice story buddy. Now let us get back to the fact that this country is set up to cater to the white infrastructure and that you benefit from it. Now you may have been oblivious to the benefits, but if you’re white, you benefit from the “white is right” mentality and Manifest Destiney.

I wont bore everyone with all the little details, but bottom line. You cant tell what someones life experience has been because of their skin color.

Actually, for many people you can do this.

nd there is no inherent privilege to being white.

www.uccs.edu...

Poor people of all colors and genders have it harder than rich people. Ugly people have it harder than pretty people. Fat people have it harder than average people. Short people have it harder than tall people and dumb people have it rougher than intelligent people.

And poor people of color have it harder than poor whites. This is a fact supported by many years of research.

Face it, life isnt fair. For most of us. You can cry about it, and spend your life a victim, often using your suffering or hardship as an excuse to underachieve or even to victimize others when you vent your anger on them. Or, you can realize that no matter how flawed our (yes OUR all of ours, it isnt only whites living on that Indian land your list speaks of) country may be when compared to some imaginary ideal nation, you are damned lucky to be in this country at this point in history, when the only thing stopping you from bettering yourself is your own attitude and your inherent physical and mental gifts or limitations.

Again, are you speaking to me personally or in general? Please clarify.

I am not naive enough to believe that everyone can achieve fame and wealth simply by willing it and working hard.

This is a good thing.

But I do believe that you can have a good life here in this country if you are willing to work through the difficulties and not focus incessantly on what you think you should have had. I would be a lot further along financially if I had rich parents to pay for my education and then die and leave me money. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Its the same for everyone. The wise dont focus on what they dont have, or what they missed, or fantasize about how life would have been if they were the sons or daughters of kings, they focus on what they can do, with what they have, and what they can still aim for.

Now I want you to look at something you said which is, “I would be a lot further along financially if I had rich parents to pay for my education and then die and leave me money.” What you’re referring to is known as ascribed status and social mobility. Are you familiar with these terms? If not google them so you can broaden your scope just a bit. If you are, why are familiar with them, why aren’t you telling us how these things create infrastructures where others are oppressed?

A life spent comparing yourself to those you perceive as being more fortunate than you, and lamenting your lot is a life wasted.

Agreed, but what if you don’t have the resources or infrastructure to change your current situation?

Not by those you think have it better than you, or those you want to believe are holding you down. Its wasted by YOU and only you. Even digging ditches I found something to be grateful for, and I enjoyed my life. I didnt sit there seething and resentful because somewhere someone else had benefited from my ancestors misery. How stupid is that.

It is stupid, but to have the “just get over it” attitude, coupled with the “I don’t experience that” attitude is as more stupid and does more harm.

reply to post by Snarf

why are we making this about each other?

Who is “We”? I gave another member information, they lied and said they read it, then asked me to explain it. Then when I showed how they lied I get people telling me I’m wrong.

I really truthfully don't get it...especially in light of our big wake-up call from the big guy.

God gave us a wake up call? When? Now if you’re talking about S.O. go back and see how I’ve been butchered and cut down by mod and members alike. Hypocrisy 101 in that thread.

Dont' be angry at him because he refuses to see things your way

Snarf do you know me personally? I’ll answer that. You don’t. Since this is the truth, I suggest you refrain from telling me I’m getting upset when you do not know my anger threshold, probably know nothing pertaining to behavioral psychology and anger, and can find anything in my posts that those of reasonable sanity would consider as anger.

be angry at yourself because you can't figure out a way to make him "see the light"

See above, and I couldn’t care less if he sees the light because he proved himself to be a liar when he said he read the material (in record breaking time I might add) yet couldn’t tell me anything about it others than, “it is opinion.”

The fact of the matter is - if this had been the other way around - black people would have been all over it boycotting coke. Jay-Z would make a rap about how great Pepsi is, Jesse Jackson would gather a group of a few hundred thousand black people, and call it A Million Men Drinking Pepsi and the white people would remain the fay-gray blue eyed devils.

One mans junk is another mans treasure. At the end of the day the greedy corporations would have benefit and that is what myself and other members have stated. However, what we’re discussing is privilege, and many white members do not believe it exists.

Fine. Let them be stupid. Use their arguments against them. Next time someone says "YOU ARE WHITE!" as though it were a bad thing, just reply with "Yah? So? Are you jealous?"

Being white is not a bad thing. Being oblivious to all that is around you is a bad thing.


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Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Snarf

 

Who is “We”? I gave another member information, they lied and said they read it, then asked me to explain it. Then when I showed how they lied I get people telling me I’m wrong.

By "we" i mean the collective audience that is taking part in this discussion. most pointedly...you.

God gave us a wake up call? When? Now if you’re talking about S.O. go back and see how I’ve been butchered and cut down by mod and members alike. Hypocrisy 101 in that thread.

My, My...playing the role of the victim, now, are we? Poor Poor Empire.

Snarf do you know me personally? I’ll answer that. You don’t. Since this is the truth, I suggest you refrain from telling me I’m getting upset when you do not know my anger threshold, probably know nothing pertaining to behavioral psychology and anger, and can find anything in my posts that those of reasonable sanity would consider as anger.

im not going to do your footwork for you. You come across as angry with your name calling, insults, and feverish attitude to anyone who thinks black people can be racist

One mans junk is another mans treasure. At the end of the day the greedy corporations would have benefit and that is what myself and other members have stated. However, what we’re discussing is privilege, and many white members do not believe it exists.

So what do you say about the millions of black people on welfare? I'm white. Aren't they benefiting from my hard work? White privilege doesn't exist in this country. Yes, it used to, but now it only exists in the form of a talking point for lazy black people, and apologists of all races to use to say "White people are evil". The only proof you need of this is the story in the OP. Or OJ. Or...the term african american and its usage. I won't use it. I say black. Unless you can prove you're from Africa and wish to be called as such.

Being white is not a bad thing. Being oblivious to all that is around you is a bad thing.

Maybe you should re-read what you just said here and allow it to soak in?

Only lazy people blame others for their shortcomings. If you work hard, you'll make it places. If you want to give up and pout, then blame white people.

Originally posted by ImaNutter

Originally posted by Republican08
And I'm sure it's not about whites wanting to be tribal africans........ almost 100%

If everyone wants the segregation so badly, let's have the blacks go to their own schools, whites in their own schools, asians in their own school, and separate everybody, if we can't act like humans, then **** it, segregate everyone.

All I advocate is letting people celebrate their respective cultures.

You're on a forum. Im pretty sure Simon isnt black.

So therefore, how can I unflag you over and over till you realise you arent wanted?

I mean thats what went on in that video.

But it's allllll OK for you.

Wait --- You have a right to be here?? NO way... Because you like the rest of us are a person??

Baloney, obviously the video proves you have to be a certain type to do certain things.

So please, stop posting.. Or I shall boo you again.



*I do hope the point was clear and I dont incur garbage from simpletons..*

I have never seen such a disgusting display of overt racism .. where is the call to condemn it? There is none. the black community has no shame.

I think I will drink Pepsi from now on.