The Gay Agenda -- You Can't Be Serious?

I myself am not a homosexual, but that has nothing to do with this topic.

I am bi-sexual I think, but more heterosexual than homosexual in that anyway.

Keeper, thank you for a great post and standing up for yourself and people similar to you who are picked on.

The Protector

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His point and way he delivered it is impeccable.

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Ugh, I HAVE read that part. You say that it is unacceptable because it is unnatural; but who is not accepting it? Repeating what you have said which explains nothing is not a valid form of discussion. If "unacceptable" just means "unnatural," as you are quite clearly saying, then why even say "unacceptable?"

Why does "it is against nature" indicate "unacceptable?" And what, besides being unnatural, does "unacceptable" indicate?

If it is nothing, you are using language to make people angry for no good reason.

Originally posted by Ratkiller
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You say it's flawed logic to think that homosexuality will lead to beastiality and pedophilia because neither can consent to it. But that has NOT STOPPED IT FROM HAPPENING.

Of course that has not stopped bestiality and pedophilia from happening. But neither has it caused more bestiality and pedophilia!

Originally posted by ReverseDecay
Would someone plz look at my previous post and respond a response about AIDS GIFTERS, seems like no body want to touch that subject... yet to me seems quite important. AGAIN... look it up I will not post a link to such filth...

What class you have shown by shouting for us to do what you say. Googling "Aids gifters" brings up this thread number 3; the others are "Aids support gifts" like t-shirts. The people you are talking about are bastards, but I have only seen them in Law & Order SVU. They are not a significant portion of the gay community.

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I don't agree with homosexuality and I wouldn't condone it nor practice it, nor allow it as acceptable in a society, if I was to be the leader.

That being said makes my position in this subject very clear.

The other part of the subject is the question why? For example why should it be unacceptable. Well firstly because I personally believe it is a wrong step for mankind to take.

I believe in GOD, and simply that is ultimate difference between me and you. That I believe in GOD and believe it is GOD's will for mankind to not pursue GAYISM (ii that is even a word).

Let's make this clear, I don't hate you for being GAY, because I know in my heart that GAY people have many brilliant qualities. I could only hate you if I forget every good qualities you have, and only focus on one characteristics. I can't do that can I?

They are kind, every GAY individual I have met speak kindly, gently, and they are very polite. They probably do more good than I could ever do.

I can't judge you, I can't judge you because I am not a saint, I have probably done sins which are as sinful as having an intercourse with the same sex. Yes I have done drugs, I have consumed alcohol, I have had intercourse before marriage, I have lied, I have stolen people's property, I have used people's trust for my own advantage etc etc.

Your sin is nothing compared to what I have done in the past, and what I'm doing now. So do I have the right to hate you? No not at all. I'm in no position to judge you.

I should hate myself 100x more than you, that is, if I was to hate gay people for being merely gay.

But yeah I made my argument, although I think what you are doing is wrong, I can't judge you because we are all doing wrong in to some extent. But if you are going to take that personally, so be it. I have expressed my opinion in the best form I can.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
If Jesus commented he would quote the Torah which he had a habit of doing, and I'm sure you are aware of its clear position on said disorder.

Heh, the old testament.
Dogmatic law, which is some thing Jesus said, says we can judge whether or not the old laws are still relevant in this day and age, and thus whether or not the old sins are still sins.
But of course, you don't mention that. It doens't fit your agenda.



[edit on 25-2-2010 by I_AM_that_I_AM]

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I am not religious at all and have no time for people who believe in or respect the notion of a GOD!! I am a believer in science all the way!!

However, I do back the religious nuts when it comes to the Gay population! I do not agree that gays should be allowed to adopt nor get married! This is against nature in every way!

Now consider this: Sex is for one purpose only and that is for reproduction!! So nature or "god" intended this to be for that purpose only! They did not fathom pleasure and enjoyment into the equation when designing the sexual organs!

This has happened over time "evolution" that we now enjoy sex as a pleasurable past-time.

Gay sex is not "natural" or a good thing to introduce to Children who already have a hard time dealing with man on woman sex and feeling without the hardship of being around a same sex family.

And if you got to any city London, San Fransisco, Vancouver, that has a large Gay population you will notice how they flaunt this fact in everyones face. They push it onto every passer by just like the religious nuts who push their religion onto normal people!...You know what maybe religious and Gay people are two types from the same POD!!

Deal with that !!

A lot of this and the other anti-gay thread seem to miss one salient point.


That is being gay is not about sex it is about love. Sure we have sex with the people we love, we do with our girlfriends and wives as a way to express and deepen our love. But it is through love.


That means if you are against people being gay you are against them expressing love. I cannot understand any god that would want people not to love each other. Isn't the whole idea of religion and Christianity all about love?


If you think I'm being facetious with this then ask yourself why there are celibate gay men as there are celibate straight men. Why some gay men who can't function sexually still remain with their partners?


People who seem to condemn gay people or think it unnatural always concern themselves with the sexual aspect of the relationship. They forget the love.

And if anything is unnatural that isn't about procreation then every time a straight man has sex with protection from himself or his partner, or even just for fun, are themselves having unnatural sex in the same way they accuse gay people of doing.

Hmmm, negative impact... The public display can be a bit cumbersome, but you may feel that way about heterosexual displays of affection.

On a positive note, if there's enough, then overpopulation problems will be impeded...

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
This can't be real.

There's so much more to your life than being gay, it wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't the main topic of your existence. Your sexual preference isn't and shouldn't be what defines you...yet, here we are.

So here's the stereotype. Gay guy starts a gay thread to stir up the homophobes so that he has something to complain about and confront the world with what he feels is a problem.

In my personal opinion, there's a whole lot else going on out there that warrants the attention of ATS. Now, this of course is a viable American issue...And I do say American issue because we're pretty much the only country that has repressed/oppressed/suppressed gays so much that gays are overly consumed with being gay and truly believe that this is the only thing that defines them as a human being. Sad.

Most other countries don't even take notice because they have enough REAL problems that being gay isn't a central issue of politics, with the exception of a few here and there. I also noticed something else that does not really exist on a Global scale. Flamboyancy. The more repressed the country, the more gays feel the need to represent a flamboyant attitude, which of course, puts a big ole' bulls eye on their heads for those with a discriminative attitude. It almost is reflective of the African American phenomenon. Only in this country do blacks run around utilizing slang which became recognized as its own form of literary communication (ebonics). Only in this country do you see them wearing their pants below their ankles, and are constantly looking for another chip to wear on their shoulders. And, before you accuse me of being racist...I AM PART BLACK and have studied this phenomenon for quite some time.

Yes, there is discrimination. I've experienced plenty. Get over it.

My apologies to anyone who takes this post in offense including the OP, but, I felt that I needed to offer that viewpoint.

Very well put... The initial suppression is certainly part of the problem, but it's certainly perpetuated (and even magnified) through the response or those discriminated against (whether it's flamboyancy or sagging pants).

Very compelling post. I do understand the fact that you are just going about leading your life and not bothering anybody.
You did ask how homosexuality has negatively affected anyone, and I would like to share my experiences. I grew up with divorced parents. My mom 'came out of the closet' when I was about 8 or 9. It was very embarassing for me because there were many girlfriends, some of them live-in. They were mean to me. Probably jealous since they had no children. One many different occasions, some of these women were physically abusive to me. I did not like having friends over, and some kids made fun of me because lesbianism was not accepted in the late 70s/early 80s. I don't know how she knew so many lesbian women. There was no internet back in those days.
Children need stability growing up & I think 2 parents of the opposite sex is what is best. Partly because that is what is acceptable to society.
Fast forward 20 years. My mother has been in a relationship for many yrs with the same partner. We were involved with social services in a little hick town. There was NO child abuse. Just a very flimsy 'neglect' charge. My mother's partner spread many lies to cps about myself and my husband. My mother is being controlled by this person, but is in denial about this. The lead caseworker involved was a lesbian, and the judge involved is rumored to be having an ongoing affair with the female DA. We lost all 3 of our kids in 2006 solely on the bases of hearsay, speculation, and false allegations. They even took our newborn daughter because cps said 'there might be child abuse in her future'. My mom & her partner have all 3 kids and they are alienating us from them. For example, the kept changing our visitation schedule and making us have supervised visitations, without our consent. Nobody cares that our children want their REAL parents! There is big $ money involved each month for everybody but my husband & I. I cannot take this anguish any more, so I've moved to another state. There is a genuine fear I have that the cps will come after me for my online postings.
Lesbians in positions of power are truly a force to be watched out for. Our freedoms are being taken away each day. I personally do not care what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms, but when children are involved it's a whole other issue. I hope not to be judged harshly and please remember that this is my experience.

Originally posted by agent149
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I am not religious at all and have no time for people who believe in or respect the notion of a GOD!! I am a believer in science all the way!!

However, I do back the religious nuts when it comes to the Gay population! I do not agree that gays should be allowed to adopt nor get married! This is against nature in every way!

Now consider this: Sex is for one purpose only and that is for reproduction!!

Actually, it isn't. As a "Science man" you sould know this. FOR instance, bacterial don't use sex for reproduction at all, but they do have sex.
Many animals use sex for other than reproduction.
Most importantly, reproduction isn't the sole use that humans use sex for.

As the rest of your argument is based on this fallocy I"ll just ignore it.

My philosophy is that anything taken to extremes (relationships, food, drinks, drugs, whatever) just becomes redundant. The novelity is eventually just gonna wear off and then we are left to deal with reality.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Alright, so I had a previous thread last year where I opened this conversation, but now that it's a new year, and we have fresh homophobia on these boards, I figured this would be interesting, if nothing else entertaining.

Now just to make things clear allow me to explain who I am, just so we don't have any confused folk.

I'm a gay male, married, have children. I'm a succesfull business man who owns 3 companies, my husband is a pediatrician and we are active members of our community, both politically and volunteer wise.

That being said, expect a bit of bias on my part. As you can guess, I am very PRO gay.

Now some members here, believe there is a gay agenda. One that is so huge and so vast it is corrupting American familes, by indoctrinating children to be gay and attempting to make homosexuality ok so that other people can mary goats and molest children, all within the safety of the law.

Now I see the ridiculously flawed logic behind those statements, and I will address a few of them.

For those who say that tolerence of homosexuality will lead to beastiality, that will never happen.

Animals cannot consent to sex, therefore it cannot be made legal.

For those who say that tolerence to homosexuality will lead to pedophilia being legalized.

Children cannot consent to sex, therefore it cannot be made legal.

If our society allowed this to happen it would not be because of the tolerance towards homosexuality, it would be because we have fallen off our rocker and need to be removed from planet earth.

So back to the original topic about the "Gay Agenda". I use that term pretty loosely because of all the gays that I know ( and trust me, I know a lot ) none of them want to bother you with their homosexuality.

They want YOU to stop bothering them with THEIR homosexuality. You see it's not us gays who have an issue, it's the ones who want to divide us, and keep us from being informed, healthy and united citizens.

Now, I am not saying you need to agree with the idea. Religious people this is for you!

You can dislike the practice as much as you please, however you are bound by your religion to love everybody, regardless of what they do, it's God's job to judge. You are no more entitled to judge me for my lifestyle, than I am entitled to judge you.

I disagree with your religion, just as much as you disagree with my homosexuality. See? We do have something in common!

Of all the people on the internet, I would have figured that most ATS members would understand that things like sexual orientation, race, religion, are just tools used to control and divide us, yet you all act like your blind to that fact.

So people, I have a simple question to ask. How has homosexuality impacted YOUR life on a negative scale, or anybody's life for that matter. Let's leave studies and the distorted MSM out of this, but YOU personnaly.

Let's begin!

Edit To Add: For those who will inevitably turn this into a poo flinging match, let's remember that we are not going to attack the messenger, attack the message if anything.

~Keeper



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Since when does consent matter in a case where children area sexually abused anyway? You think a word like consent even makes a difference for a poor little child who gets raped?

Are you somebody who claims to know what is going on in ever 'gay household' of so called 'parents' who adopt young boys? Are you speaking for every gay 'couple?'

Do you personally think our school systems should allow gay teachers to be in charge of young pre-schoolers? If so then what makes you think those children are safe? What makes you think these children wont be brainwashed to become gay?

Are you telling me places like thailand arent a hot spot for paedophiles & gays alike?

Did this poor persons consent mean anything to those who committed these evil acts?

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the gay agenda LOL ok that aside there in one thing on the subject of homosexuality i firmly believe it is still a choice a choice that should always be allowed to be made but is it a good one . im not in any way homophobic hell you guys could set up a booth next the the army recuiting office and sign people up for all i know . i could careless.

The one thing that srikes me oddly in the homosexual relation ship is i see it as an easy way out .
let me explain .... By all means Men and women are very different and trying to work together as a single function (Parents ) can be difficult becuase women see a different Chemical induced reality than we do so its much easier for two peopple of the same sex to please each other cuase you both feel the same way about most all base functions of the human body its easier to be intimate cause the Physiology of your partner is a mirror image of yours and even in the parenting aspect a man and women view things different when it comes to discipline and reward . two people of the same sex would see eye to eye almost all the time .

so whats the issue ?.......

Intelectual evolution .
A man and a women in a healthy hetero relationship (we all knoew there are very few of these ) must forever work past there different phsyological perceptions of reality and unify them in a more true reality , this constant conflict and resolution cycle in a hetero relationship can allow for a certain level of spiritual , intellectual evolution and a higher under standing of unconditional love . not offense but if gay people are su full of love why do you only love each other .

love is unconditional there are no conditions on it (thats why bi sexuality makes more sense if your going to play the whole "im being open minded card on me ") if i say "i love you" to my sister and i actaully mean it .
i may as well say it to the rest fo the world , love is unconditional ' its not "i love as long as your like me", " i love you as long as you don't do drugs", or " i love as long as i can afford it" these are lies we tell our selves so we don't feel left out so we can say "yeah i know what love is"

truth is maybe 100,000 people in the entire worlds population knows what True love is every one else just takes other peoples word for it

now by know means am i saying a homo sexual relation ship doesn't help both people evolve sprirtiualy and intelectually but i believe its caped .
you will only be able to go so far before you no longer question reality and truth and love and just accept the half assed idea you and your love dreamed up ,but you could missing the womens input not saying you couldn't get it out side your romantic relationship

SO gay agenda to riun the world..... no i don't think so . but please im proud to be who i am and i chose to be who am. if i don't reconized my being as the sum of all my choices then how could i truly be proud of who i am .
personally is see sexuality as a choice and im pro choice . Just reconized that you made one and give it the respect it deserves .
Don't sell you selves short and chualk it up to genetics cause we all know its just theory , own up to the choices you make that make you the wonderful person you are today

and please let us all laern to love one another in the end not matter how you look at it we all came from the same prehistoric lake or garden of eden either way down the line We are ALL Brothers and sister so if you see my cracker ass in public and i say "hey brother" to you . don't look at me funny and say "don't brotha me Cracker" cuase MJK said best "i have a Dream" and if you got issues you can take them up with him

How can anyone still believe it is a choice.

I honestly don't get that thinking at all. Not even a little bit.

I do believe in the sliding scale - - and for some right in the middle of that scale - - perhaps choice has something to do with it.

But for the majority - - No Way.

As far as I'm concerned - - anyone still holding on to "choice" are not dealing with reality.

Alrighty, haven't been on in awhile and I can see nothing really has changed, but let's forget about that and deal with the topic on hand.

So I read about 7 pages in before I started wincing at some of these posts so let me try and be intelligent about this, god forbid we should do this.

Nonsense on this children stuff, I'm almost certain we were all one at one point, no? They are not these little innocent things, they just aren't, by the time most of us had hit say Grade 4 we already knew swear words, hell I was calling people gaylords in Grade 2, to think that we didn't know what that was is ridiculous. Kids are smart, they are going to love their parents no matter what, but what's this you say? They are going to be made fun of? That comes with the territory of being a kid and if you tell me that you were never made fun of growing up, well you sir are a liar. It just gets tiring hearing "Protect the children" nonsense for arguments, it's one of the least convincing ways someone could use for an anti-gay argument.

Carrying on, I read something about how being gay is more prominent in society, am I missing something? Back in the day they had stat keepers of all things gay so they could compare it now and make a line graph of it? Hmm, must of missed that in Social Studies. I must have missed the link of bestiality and being gay in Bio and Pedophilia and being gay in Legal Studies, weird, there is no way I should have gotten 99% on my Grade 12 finals.

What's with all this deviant and abnormal behavior? Plus all this talk of gays being in it for sex? I laughed at the man hater comment about lesbians, my friend's cousin has liked girls all her life, and recently been depressed cause her girlfriend dumped her, my other friend's cousin has been dating the same guy for nearly 4 years, I'm sure it's all about the sex. As well, it shouldn't bother you that they can't reproduce, all you apparent straight men get more women, well attempt at it, but they must all be lesbians cause they don't understand selfish fears of an insecure male.

I have more to cover but just trying to read some of these posts are really upsetting me.

I'll tell you what's not normal, raining down hate on a group of people because they love each other, just wanting to be treated fair the same as all others but I suppose that's the reason why we are on the decline as a civilization, wanting to be treated as an equal.

OP says: "You can dislike the practice as much as you please, however you are bound by your religion to love everybody, regardless of what they do, it's God's job to judge. You are no more entitled to judge me for my lifestyle, than I am entitled to judge you."



I'm not bashing anyone for their lifestyle. God gave us ALL FREE WILL!!! However we do have rules and we do have to abide by them. God says we do have to abide by Mans law to a certain extent. Anyway's... I do have a question.. I hate people that say this but I must say it.. "I do have gay friends" lol Again... it's your choice and God says you have a right to your choice...but.. as far as gays wanting to get married and other rights they fight for... doesn't majority rule? If the majority of the people say no to marriage let's say... shouldn't you be respectful of the majority vote as we are as respectful of you wanting to live your lifestyle? Shouldn't the majority always be the rule?

Respectfully
Trace

I have to disagree here because – among some members of the homosexual community – there is a Gay Agenda. That Agenda often involves promoting and sometimes usurping my rights as a parent and individual and also the rights of those with deeply held religious beliefs.

Now let me clarify things here before you protest. First off, I am not religious in any sense of the word so I have no God demanding that I love or hate anyone. As a Libertarian, I am entirely in favor of Civil Unions and protections for gays against discrimination in the legal/governmental system. I have several gay friends and I have actively supported campaigns to get Civil Unions enacted.

However, I am adamantly opposed to public schools requiring children (specifically MY children) reading “I Have Two Daddies” or other such gay propaganda. You cannot deny that there have been attempts to have such material provided to children. Someone has to be behind it. Guess what? It ain’t the Baptist church. Conversely, I also believe that persons with religious objections to homosexuality should be allowed to avoid contact with homosexuals in any civil manner they see fit. That would include, for example, the right to refuse to rent a room to a homosexual or the right to refuse to employ them.

I believe that this is entirely consistent as one’s rights and beliefs should never interfere or subjugate another’s rights and beliefs. I also believe that, as a parent, I should have full and total control over what my children are exposed to in their development.

Another example is, as a Libertarian, I believe that marijuana should be legalized. However, I don’t indulge in that habit and I sure as heck don’t want some ‘advocate’ telling my children it’s ok to do it. That’s for me to control. I will tell them what I think they need to know when I think they need to know it. The same thing goes with homosexuality.

But there are members of the homosexual community that are seeking to circumvent that control. It may not be universal – in fact I know it is not – but the push is there in some portions of the radical gay community and their sympathizers.