New Study: Children Adopted by Homosexuals Are 'More Prone to Suicide'

Originally posted by yadda333

The issue is far too complex to be deciphered with the black and white logic that is provided within this study.

maybe so..then we should be agreeing that this study brought up is pointless then. We can't trust it do to bias and sample size

It would be paramount to me using a sample size to determine average monthly income, pulling all my respondents from Thunder Bay and Cape Coral, Flordia

-Kyo

[edit on 24-2-2010 by KyoZero]

I haven't read all of this thread but it's great to see the majority of people realise that gay people are no different from any minority that doesn't harm others. Not so long ago the majority of thinking was very anti-gay and frightening to reveal yourself as gay, a bit taboo also!

I think that recently the media has done a good job to bring homophobia to a minimal (for the present time) by exposing and documenting gay relationships in mainstream media, therefore bringing more people who are gay to "come out" and in turn more people knowing them (in their families/friends circles) and finding more people in their lives who are gay.

It's just a small minority of small minded, neanderthal like people who need to catch up with the current trend of thinking.

Sorry if I offended anyone, but you do really need to catch up with today.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by viber8]

reply to post by captaintyinknots


No lunacy here sir. Just the truth that you rebel against.
The above mentioned, and including Jeffery Dahmer, perpetually chose to live in a world of sin. They chose not to leave this world, not to repent, and rebelled against G_D.
If you choose to live your life in perpetual sin, refuse to repent, and rebel against G_D, then yes you are wrong.
Or in your eyes, right.
Please refer to my signature.

reply to post by Violater1


Well hopefully you won't worry when I refute him...don't lose any sleep

-Kyo

Hey people, I'm not personally saying either way how anyone comes to be the way they are. Maybe some are born, some are made.

I was posturing at the absurd propaganda post that said studies show serial killers are created by Christians.

@ Dock9

Did you really believe the world agrees with two homosexuals being provided a child in order they could play 'happy families' ?

But where within 'gay rights' is the 'right' to take a child born of a heterosexual couple and raise it in a gay home ?

Homosexual relationships are, of necessity, sterile. Two women can not conceive, nor can two men

A homosexual couple is comprised of a man and a man or a woman and a woman ---- being potential 'Whats' ? Mummy and Mummy ? Daddy and Daddy ?

The impression I get from the above quotes is that, not only do you object to the adoption of a child by a gay couple, but you also have a problem with a gay couple raising a child. In other words, "the gays" should not have the right to form a family unit of parents and child.

Now, here's the implication of your world view:
A lesbian couple: one of them gets inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank.
A male gay couple: one of them has a female friend who is willing to act as a surrogate; she gets inseminated with his sperm.

The result in both cases is that one partner becomes a biological parent.

Following your reasoning, the resulting child in each case is at risk and should be given for adoption to a heterosexual couple.

Originally posted by Bombeni
Hey people, I'm not personally saying either way how anyone comes to be the way they are. Maybe some are born, some are made.

I was posturing at the absurd propaganda post that said studies show serial killers are created by Christians.

Ok well if that was actually said then I will call absurd on that part too

however a few serial killers were raised terribly and abusively by Christian mothers and fathers...though I highly dought they were real Christians

-Kyo

reply to post by seagull


Well it seems to me that placing vulnerable children in a position of additional stress has a hidden effect or may even be a hidden agenda as set by the adopting parents. If a gay couple adopt a child that child will face additional stress fro homophobia.

I am clearly focussing on the children here. I am not focussing on the gays. Homophobia is wrong but the children come first. That was my vow when I adopted mine.

T

Originally posted by Violater1
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

No lunacy here sir. Just the truth that you rebel against.
The above mentioned, and including Jeffery Dahmer, perpetually chose to live in a world of sin. They chose not to leave this world, not to repent, and rebelled against G_D.
If you choose to live your life in perpetual sin, refuse to repent, and rebel against G_D, then yes you are wrong.
Or in your eyes, right.
Please refer to my signature.

How is what you are saying 'truth'?

Seriously. I'd love for you to convince me.

And, as someone who preaches christian virtue, how do you justify your judgement of others? Do you feel you are more important than god, and therefore have the right to judge?

Uh-oh. Your hypocrisy is showing.

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by pumpkinorange

 

Moderators are people who have opinions.
As such, as members first and moderators second, we have every right to express our opinions on the topics.

Yes, absolutely, I agree with all you say. You have missed my concern.

Two days, I read the policy post by management regarding hate. There was a lot of confusion expressed by members regarding exactly what this means. One thing I, confused as well, took away from it is that managment frowns on rants. Rants are the place where hate, if it exists at all, may be present. Rants are emotion-based and I decided to try harder to express my disagreement with OPs with FACTS, and not emotion, to be on the safe side. Right off the bat in reply to this OP, Mods responded with emotion......NO FACTS were given to dispute the study presented. Now how in the world does this further a topic? Emotional tit-for-tat and the Mods started it all.

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by seagull

 

Well it seems to me that placing vulnerable children in a position of additional stress has a hidden effect or may even be a hidden agenda as set by the adopting parents. If a gay couple adopt a child that child will face additional stress fro homophobia.

I am clearly focussing on the children here. I am not focussing on the gays. Homophobia is wrong but the children come first. That was my vow when I adopted mine.

T

SO, your assertion is that it is a societal problem, but we should punish a specific group because of that societal problem?

[edit on 24-2-2010 by captaintyinknots]

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by seagull

 

Well it seems to me that placing vulnerable children in a position of additional stress has a hidden effect or may even be a hidden agenda as set by the adopting parents. If a gay couple adopt a child that child will face additional stress fro homophobia.

I am clearly focussing on the children here. I am not focussing on the gays. Homophobia is wrong but the children come first. That was my vow when I adopted mine.
T

I dont' see what you mean by "additional" stress. The only additional stress that can occur is from outside influences. Didn't you teach your children to be themselves and not worry about the world around them?

Didn't you teach them that only THEIR opinion of themselves mattered and people who didn't understand them and like to give them crap should just be ignored?

I took extra care in making sure that my children understood that their father's relationship was ok, and to ask questions so they just didn't blindly believe what we were telling them.

It's a matter of education, building STRONG children who are receptive and understanding of different situations.

My kids don't let others get to them.

~Keeper

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by Bombeni

Actually as absurd as your post was at face value, there IS an agenda by homosexuals to promote the hell out of it. I guess de-valuing heterosexuality would fit that agenda just fine.

As opposed to the years and years of de-valuing homosexuals?

-Kyo

Oh please. Can we get back on topic? There are mods actively participating here; I love it how the rules are thrown out when they don't conform to an agenda.

The subject is children with homosexual parents. Apparently many of these children are suffering from peer pressure. We evil heterosexual parents are instructing our children to be mean to the poor little orphan kids who were adopted by homosexuals. That is after we give them their serial killer lessons. Hahaha, if I was any better even I couldn't stand me.

Just stop the propaganda bullcrap, it isn't attractive.



[edit on 24-2-2010 by Bombeni]

reply to post by captaintyinknots


Thank you. Just goes to show that that good advice and good upbringing have little or nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the parent[s].

Good advice and upbringing have a lot to do with the childs well-being IMO.



Peace

Originally posted by jeanvaljean
@ Dock9

Did you really believe the world agrees with two homosexuals being provided a child in order they could play 'happy families' ?

But where within 'gay rights' is the 'right' to take a child born of a heterosexual couple and raise it in a gay home ?

Homosexual relationships are, of necessity, sterile. Two women can not conceive, nor can two men

A homosexual couple is comprised of a man and a man or a woman and a woman ---- being potential 'Whats' ? Mummy and Mummy ? Daddy and Daddy ?

The impression I get from the above quotes is that, not only do you object to the adoption of a child by a gay couple, but you also have a problem with a gay couple raising a child. In other words, "the gays" should not have the right to form a family unit of parents and child.

Now, here's the implication of your world view:
A lesbian couple: one of them gets inseminated with sperm from a sperm bank.
A male gay couple: one of them has a female friend who is willing to act as a surrogate; she gets inseminated with his sperm.

The result in both cases is that one partner becomes a biological parent.

Following your reasoning, the resulting child in each case is at risk and should be given for adoption to a heterosexual couple.

This is a reply to the original quote of Dock9? Sorry for quoting the whole text of a previous reply!

I just wanted to mention that, is the only reason that people are homophobic, because of reproduction reasons? Because that's all it seems to be! "They" cannot reproduce, therefore it is not right!

What is this? Reproduction and population gain to the maximum? So you think that this is not a natural occurrence of Mother Nature to help bring down the brith rate and make the world a better place to live on, for all.

Why do people feel the need to reproduce? It is like animal instinct. We are humans and can think for oureslves. as one. What is better for all, as we live on this earth right now. As a whole population on the point of extermination, it is better to NOT get bigger and require more resources, but reduce the root of it... US!

It is better to have something stunt our growth, and still be a healthy living population on Earth. Just because people are of a different religion, race, sexuality, thinking, doesn't mean to say they deserve to be here any less than you do. Everyone can be judged, it just depends on what the rules are and what you're judging on.

What a load BS

Typical catholic propaganda spreading bias opinionated evidence, simply to spread hate, as usual

You fundies really do suck

reply to post by Bombeni


you were the one who brought up de-valuing. I want equality in these arguments. If you are going to claim we are devaluing heterosexuality then I am going to bring up the rocky past of hetero's devaluing and STILL devaluing homsexuals

We started with a study and you have made posts that weren't 100% on topic either so I would beware where you point the gun. You supported the idea of a gay agenda and we are arguing back. Deal

I will stop supporting our 'propaganda' when you get the Cahtolics and Christians to stop supporting theirs.

PS...you've quite the ego on you eh?

welcome to my ignore box. You're the first one there so congrats

I know you'll probably think you have beat me...trust me you haven't I just can't take the hate anymore

-Kyo



[edit on 24-2-2010 by KyoZero]

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Violater1
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

No lunacy here sir. Just the truth that you rebel against.
The above mentioned, and including Jeffery Dahmer, perpetually chose to live in a world of sin. They chose not to leave this world, not to repent, and rebelled against G_D.
If you choose to live your life in perpetual sin, refuse to repent, and rebel against G_D, then yes you are wrong.
Or in your eyes, right.
Please refer to my signature.

How is what you are saying 'truth'?

Seriously. I'd love for you to convince me.

And, as someone who preaches christian virtue, how do you justify your judgement of others? Do you feel you are more important than god, and therefore have the right to judge?

Uh-oh. Your hypocrisy is showing.

I don't personally know the member you replied to but I have a pretty good idea he'd be the first to admit he's a sinner.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
What a load BS

Typical catholic propaganda spreading bias opinionated evidence, simply to spread hate, as usual

You fundies really do suck

Oh you wonderful amazing non-biased unopinionated person, that's Ms. Fundie to you!

reply to post by KyoZero


Well I guess thanking you is rather pointless, eh?