New Study: Children Adopted by Homosexuals Are 'More Prone to Suicide'

reply to post by Tiger5


Gay liberation?

What has that got to do with giving a child a loving home? I sure hope you're not going to tell me two men, or two women who just happen to love each other aren't capable of loving and caring for a child. Or raising him/her to be a decent human being.

Gay liberation? Gays have plenty of liberty. When society isn't attempting to fit them into a nice little stereotyped box.

Originally posted by Bombeni

Actually as absurd as your post was at face value, there IS an agenda by homosexuals to promote the hell out of it. I guess de-valuing heterosexuality would fit that agenda just fine.

As opposed to the years and years of de-valuing homosexuals?

-Kyo

reply to post by Isthisthingon



Well firstly let me take but my mild ad hominem. I got a bit carried away. I know that the peer reviewed process is not perfect. I knew of the at least two papers in biology that have been withdrawn from published journals.

However do you know any peered reviewed research that have indicated that Gay–parent adoptees do not have social problems. Why insist on have vulnerable children on the front line of the ongoing gay liberation struggle?

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reply to post by greeneyedleo


Wow, such quick replies by Mods. I am learning a lot about mods from this post. I am on sites all the time with OUTRIGHT bashing and ranting there is no such thing in this OP. On one, I asked for some Mod comment and as far as I know, got none.
would expect that you would reply with contrary FACTS and not emotion. Maybe you Mods need to get together and do some soul-searching about your own biases.

I've got a question that no one has asked yet.

2 gay men [parents] are raising a 12 year old boy. The gay men have known they were gay all of their lives and have never tried to hide it. The 12 year old boy comes home from school one day and tells his parents that there is a girl in home room that he really likes and he really wants to approach her and talk to her and get to know her better. He wants advice, realistic advice, about girls from his parents.

What advice do you think his parents will give him?



Peace

Originally posted by pumpkinorange
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Wow, such quick replies by Mods. I am learning a lot about mods from this post. I am on sites all the time with OUTRIGHT bashing and ranting there is no such thing in this OP. On one, I asked for some Mod comment and as far as I know, got none.
would expect that you would reply with contrary FACTS and not emotion. Maybe you Mods need to get together and do some soul-searching about your own biases.

Mods have every right to have an opinion on a thread, same as anyone else.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


The same that a gay child gets from his straight parents? "Be yourself, be confident, find common interests, and don't be scared of rejection".

It has nothing to do with sexuality.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple


See I think that is a fair question. Even asked it without anger :-p

I would guess the same advice. I really don't think the approach is any different regardless of orientation. The mechanics of sex of course are different but I see nothing in the means of love that should be different.

If I went gay today I would approach a guy the same way I did my wife...maybe without the cheesy pick up line...trust me mine was one of the worst lines ever :-p

-Kyo

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I've got a question that no one has asked yet.

2 gay men [parents] are raising a 12 year old boy. The gay men have known they were gay all of their lives and have never tried to hide it. The 12 year old boy comes home from school one day and tells his parents that there is a girl in home room that he really likes and he really wants to approach her and talk to her and get to know her better. He wants advice, realistic advice, about girls from his parents.

What advice do you think his parents will give him?
Peace

Well interestingly enough I had the same thing happen to me. I have a 14 year old who is started to "date" so to speak and he's asked us for advice.

I gave him the best advise I could, just talk to the girl, see what she's like, and if you like her, ask her out on a date.

You don't need a mother to give advice on dating.

If my answer was unsatisfactory then he can talk to one of his 5 aunts, or his older sister, or even his grandmother's.

~Keeper

Originally posted by Tiger5

However do you know any peered reviewed research that have indicated that Gay–parent adoptees do not have social problems.

What happens to kids raised by gay parents?

Research suggests that they turn out about the same, no better, no worse and no more likely to be gay than other kids.

www.post-gazette.com...

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
I've got a question that no one has asked yet.

2 gay men [parents] are raising a 12 year old boy. The gay men have known they were gay all of their lives and have never tried to hide it. The 12 year old boy comes home from school one day and tells his parents that there is a girl in home room that he really likes and he really wants to approach her and talk to her and get to know her better. He wants advice, realistic advice, about girls from his parents.

What advice do you think his parents will give him?



Peace

1)The gay parents that I know advise their children that love/attraction/infatuation come in all shapes and sizes. When approached for advice they have given as good of advice as can be given: that openness and honesty is the way to go.
2)What does this have to do with the well-being of the child?
3)Are there not hetero parents who give terrible advice to their kids?

Grasping at straws now....

reply to post by FortAnthem


I have a couple of questions and comments regarding this "study". I didn't read all 80 pages of the "study". But the parts I did read seemed to extrapolate statistics from other sources and try to assign causation which the source never inferred. So I wonder what was the study? How was the data collected? And what was the method of analyzation?

Secondly in your OP you use this quote from the "study":

revealed that most children adopted by same-sex couples display “greater levels of stress,” and suffer from “suicidal tendencies and attempts.”

Greater then what? Who are these children being compared to?

and here you qoute that they show a greater level of stress then already generated by being entered into foster care:

“boys and girls adopted by lesbian and homosexual couples show a greater level of stress than that which is already generated by their status as orphans or children abandoned by their biological parents.”

But does the study ever make the attempt to compare children adopted by heterosexual couples to that of homosexual couples. IF so where is that data? If not that is very suspicious as that is the logical comparison.

reply to post by pumpkinorange


Moderators are people who have opinions.

We were asked and volunteered to become moderators on this site because of our interest in the subjects put forward. Most of us were members here for a considerable period of time before we became moderators.

As such, as members first and moderators second, we have every right to express our opinions on the topics. What we don't do is moderate in the individual threads where we express those opinions.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...there are studies by reputable researchers that appear to prove that serial killers, sexual sadists, necrophiliacs and other violent predators have the commonality of being reared by extreme-minded fundamentalist christian parents / guardians...

...the studies suggest that even though the predators could be labeled or have been labeled with disorders that many believe to be genetic, the cause of the dysfunction was more than likely the prolonged exposure to abusive parents / guardians who justified their violence via religion...

Now this is bordering on psychotic.

Hmmm. So, serial killers are falsely labeled, their disorder isn't "genetic" -- serial killers are made, not born.

But of course everyone else is just born that way. All except the serial killers.

Propaganda, keep it coming I am finding it quite entertaining.

reply to post by Bombeni


The only propaganda I've seen in this thread is falsehoods from people trying to paint gay people as either intrinsically bad parents or akin to serial killers.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


You left out Scott Peterson.

Originally posted by Bombeni

Now this is bordering on psychotic.

Hmmm. So, serial killers are falsely labeled, their disorder isn't "genetic" -- serial killers are made, not born.

But of course everyone else is just born that way. All except the serial killers.

Propaganda, keep it coming I am finding it quite entertaining.

How did you become a heterosexual?

Originally posted by Violater1
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

You left out Scott Peterson.

Disgusting.

And you consider yourself a christian?

reply to post by Bombeni


Yes some serial killers were made. Excessive abuse from parents both emotional and physical have been found in many serial killers and yes some were just born with defects that caused severe social flattening and emotional defect.

You can't just draw lines how you feel. It happens both ways.

-Kyo

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

How many kids coming from straight families have many more issues (mental, emotional, etc) from straight families? I bet much higher than gay families.

Well, you're definitely just as biased as the op's sources! How could you possibly verify what you just said? Plus, the main problem with any statistics dealing with this issue is that they would be skewed because of the smallness of the sample size.

I know more screwed up kids that come from straight families. So maybe we should be focusing on all the screwed up straight couples producing children and ruining thier lives

You may know a lot of screwed up kids from straight families, but you don't know ALL kids from ALL families. In the future I would suggest you use caution when making such broad statements. Just try to stop and think next time before you post.

The issue is far too complex to be deciphered with the black and white logic that is provided within this study.

We are trying to change the socially acceptable definition of "normal" as it pertains to families. To clarify, we are talking about the traditional family (i.e. mother and father....yadda yadda yadda), and socially acceptable as meaning accepted by a majority of citizens. Even though a lot of us are accepting of the non-traditional family and even love to ask, "what is normal", I would venture to say that a majority of people in this country are not. I don't have any statistics to back that up, but I think it is valid considering the issues we have in this country with gay rights.

I'm slightly optomistic that this will not be an issue in the future, but it will take time and much social conditioning. Life is a cycle of paradigm shifts.