China DEMANDS!

Ok, this is outrageous!

Who gives a flying frog what the Chinese government thinks about us hosting visiting religious dignitaries?! Especially one that has promoted peace. Are we that enslaved to them (China) that it requires us to append and disrespectfully curtail the pomp and circumstance of such an important person in the world?

The White House pretty much escorted the Dalai Lama through the janitorial exist according this MSM video:

www.msnbc.msn.com...

But in the end, the Dalai Lama didn't care, as long as he was given the opportunity to speak with our nation's leader. That's what counts, but I am still shocked that we are getting "pimped" by the Chinese government.
How did this happen?

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Permit me to add another thought. Since I'm just going by what the MSM provides us, I am hopeful that our Administration fully backed the Dalai Lamas' insights and requests and told him to leave through the janitorial exist of the Whitehouse just for publicity.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

in the eyes of the non-american, this is not about China demanding

it is about american interfering in other sovereign state internal affair and the american wonder why the mainland chinese and the vast majority of the chinese oversea don't like american

it is just like the american occupying middle east muslim country left and right for oil and sponsoring isreal ten of billions of dollar every year to slaughter the palestinian and wonder why the muslim on planet earth don't like american

the american is lucky that they are military strong at the moment, just wait until they isn't

backed by gun, only the american can demand now, no one will deny that

-Debit to ad-

NAFTA was about helping to bring about the economic portion of the NWO.

Multinational corporations owned by international bankers, various Ill-uminati folks were the benefactors, not the American people.

Perot's charts were.....right.
Right?

A small fella though sure knew what he was talking about.
He doesn't appear presidential in 'stature' though big things sometimes come in lil packages. (Einstein nods & ) Just a vision.....

Mr.....Ross Perot appears to have been muzzled since the 'day'.
Perhaps an 'event' took place.

Just another unsolved mystery I suppose.

The investment tide has turned to China/India/Russia/Brazil since there are less 'reg-ulatory' laws, inexpensive labor, more profits, more Control over govts.

These multinationals have become as monsters in society though this is the One that matters: Our~O~boros. I understand it's older than Earth. "Oldy but a Goody", was coined for a reason, I would 'imagine'.


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we are living in a very interesting time period where one sole superpower is struggling to hold on their hegemony power status, while the other awakening superpower-in-the-make continues to develop and feed her huge population.

there won't be any superpowers in the nearby future, there will be dominating regional powers which on global level will have to rely on each other. Competition is good for the development, we should welcome it and use less of those political rhetorics which these MSM in the Western World AND China are only to propaganda on the sheeples. Making them believe that what their beloved government does is the right thing and "saving face" for her country. However, fortunately for the Chinese camps, that there are still so many who really believes in real competition between the two, and spend hours in creating threads like these, showing graphs and piecharts how USA is not that screwed up as what people think, defending his loved nation that "it is still extremely powerful blablabla".

What the sheeple does not see through all these bias and propaganda, is that eventually all is a theater, just fyi Nimitz just docked in Chinese territory and the Chinese officers are invited to party on the docks of American's most feared moving airbase. Political slogans and blablabla-ing will go on and maybe even more intense when the public need to be given a new nemesis after the "terrorists"-scapegoat is boring people, but China will continue to buy raw material from USA and the rest of the world and produce what the rest of the world wants, businesses will be continued to make and those who does not fit themselves to the new situation will just need to logon ATS more often on a daily base to whine and cry about those "unfair Chinese traders" having stolen his job..... so sad..... just theater......sigh.....

just a personal advice, fit and adjust yourself to the new world status sooner and you might not even be affected and actually even enjoy from the fruits of dealing in a world where there is not one hegemony superpower, but in a world with various parties so integrated in each other that it gives huge opportunities and chances to those capable of crossing borders and open their mindsets.....

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So the multi-trillion dollar and treasonous Fed inspired international 'wealth redistribution' was just one of those thingys that goes along with the territory? Where Reason applies, ignorance dies.

I won't jump thread on this though it does appear to be an 'issue' for the times. Any progress on HR1207 and S604 ? The Cats in 'that' hat so I See. Do you like to play Dominoes? I do, though only with 'strAight' shooters.


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Would America have openly objected if China would have welcomed someone like Billy Graham or some other religious leader? It just seems odd that the overreaction is about someone who has no real political office but is a religious leader. China is making a martyr of the Dalai Lama and we all know what happens with martyrs, as they only gain power for the act of repression or objection to their presence. China is dumbth as Steve Allen says...

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Billy Graham; great smile, great gestures, good 'words', though his words would be worth but a 'gram' of copper in China. China has more Gold in the ground than another. They would not be shy to show-em along with the US $Bond$ collection. I hear it's now worth a 'record'.

If a scratch were an inflation point, this record 'could' sound like this: -E-ruption.
Perspective is what you make it, I suppose?
Pass the.....

The 'Eruption' has cosmic intentions.
We're listening.....
till deaf does Us -part-


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The Dalai Lama is not as wise and as peaecful as the media and people make out. Just look what tibet was like when he was there, then tell me he was this peace loving person he is made out to be. It amazes me how so many people are blind to the truth, mainly caused by the media.

This is why the chinese are worried about the Dalai Lama becaue they know what he is capable of. Tibet was a complete mess when he was there. The Dalai Lama fled amidst failure of the armed rebellion in 1959, democratic reform was carried out at the strong request of the broad masses of the Tibetan people. The extremely barbarous serfdom system was abolished. In 1965, the ethnic regional autonomy was instituted in Tibet to make it one of the five autonomous regions at the provincial level in China.


The once serfs and slaves under the Dalai's rule became masters of their own destiny. With the help of the Central Government and other areas throughout the country, economy in Tibet boomed fast and the living standard there increases continuously.

history and facts show no tolerance towards distortion. In the past 40 years, the culture, religion and ethnicity in Tibet are highly upheld and greatly developed and are not "facing the threat of extinction" as described by the Dalai Lama.

In a short span of only 40 years, Tibet has gone through a social and economic revolution that would normally have required centuries for mankind to accomplish.

"This makes Tibet one of the fastest developed and best improved areas of the contemporary world in terms of various kinds of social undertakings and the human rights situation. What Dalai said about the religious and cultural conditions in Tibet is also sheer nonsense designed to fool the world


I hate these these "attention seekers" going around waving flags saying "free tibet" they are blind, or don't care about the real history of tibet, and why the chinese done what they did.

The Dalai Lama is a very Dangerous man, who has fooled alot of people. Thats why China are worried about this man. But its funny and typical that all the Dalai Lama fans never mention his passed, and how he used to treat his own people.



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The Dalai Lama is for the One-ness idea.
The Chinese government wants 'Control'.





Therein, lies a great divide Of conscienceness.
Neither completes the circle of Truth.
The 'Rings of Saturn' if you like.
Over, but not Out.

edit>!chErp!

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Thanks to your Avatar, I had to make an adjustment.

and this was after' I said good night.

Good One.

reply to post by benoni


Your chart, in the 'link' looks like Rothschild's progress report.
.....and counting.....

^Edit^ tO/ad: :O

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Originally posted by Jay-morris
The Dalai Lama is not as wise and as peaecful as the media and people make out. Just look what tibet was like when he was there, then tell me he was this peace loving person he is made out to be. It amazes me how so many people are blind to the truth, mainly caused by the media.

This is why the chinese are worried about the Dalai Lama becaue they know what he is capable of. Tibet was a complete mess when he was there. The Dalai Lama fled amidst failure of the armed rebellion in 1959, democratic reform was carried out at the strong request of the broad masses of the Tibetan people. The extremely barbarous serfdom system was abolished. In 1965, the ethnic regional autonomy was instituted in Tibet to make it one of the five autonomous regions at the provincial level in China.


The once serfs and slaves under the Dalai's rule became masters of their own destiny. With the help of the Central Government and other areas throughout the country, economy in Tibet boomed fast and the living standard there increases continuously.

history and facts show no tolerance towards distortion. In the past 40 years, the culture, religion and ethnicity in Tibet are highly upheld and greatly developed and are not "facing the threat of extinction" as described by the Dalai Lama.

In a short span of only 40 years, Tibet has gone through a social and economic revolution that would normally have required centuries for mankind to accomplish.

"This makes Tibet one of the fastest developed and best improved areas of the contemporary world in terms of various kinds of social undertakings and the human rights situation. What Dalai said about the religious and cultural conditions in Tibet is also sheer nonsense designed to fool the world


I hate these these "attention seekers" going around waving flags saying "free tibet" they are blind, or don't care about the real history of tibet, and why the chinese done what they did.

The Dalai Lama is a very Dangerous man, who has fooled alot of people. Thats why China are worried about this man. But its funny and typical that all the Dalai Lama fans never mention his passed, and how he used to treat his own people.



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How was your paycheck from the CCP last month? Still quite a bit unspent and probably better siphon off to the swiss bank, as your 30million other commie bastards party members do, profiting off the backs of the indigenous Chinese people turned into slaves.

“history and facts show no tolerance towards distortion.” Nice quotes. The beast Mao and the present president of Iran El Mad love to give such quotes too, ever ready to claim others distort history, while they themselves are the biggest culprit of ALL times.

Tibet had been a sovereign nation before in the past, and was dominated by the various barbarians that ruled China even today. When the Qing dynasty was kicked out, Tibet declared themselves a sovereign state. China then had problems of their own. It was a time of peace for Tibetans.

They are all religious by nature, and exposure to various different cultures is limited due to their remoteness in geographical terms. Monarchy and theocracy was a norm, just as England, its colonies and European states had been till the present Era. The Tibetans knew not better, having been steeped to seeking spiritual goals than material needs. No brutual repression had been enacted onto the Tibetans before prior to invasion by the CCP monsters.

Furthermore, not many or even themselves know of the mineral rsources Tibel held. They were contented to live in peace and with nature. Even the common Chinese masses whom supported the CCP in the past thought paradise would be brought closer to Earth.

But unfortunately, it was only the beginning of hell, for the Chinese masses as well as the Tibetans. Tibet was raped for its mineral resources, and peaceful unarmed villagers oppressed, tortured for speaking up, as millions of Chinese slaves were forcefully shipped to Tibet, robbing Tibetans of their lands. Mao in the 60s was a brutual cultural murderer as well, don’t hide such facts

I can go on, but your CCP propaganda aint gonna work here, not on this site which aims to end ignorance and end ‘distortion of history’ as you are doing. You alone are more dangerous than the Dalai Lamai, let alone mention your nefarious CCP that you persist in licking up their boots for crumbs tainted with human blood.

The world thought with Deng in charge, reforms will come, but its repression of the resilient Chinese people and its colonies only continued. Worsened when they became unchallenged unfettered Capitalist with slave labourers.

Who speaks up for the oppressed Tibetans? Only the Dalai Lama, with support of its people, for the world to hear and help a peaceful people bullied by the CCP regime.

From China News, Xinhua, dated 2-20-10, today! Obviously the party view, not mine!

Slayer, this isn't about the Dali Lama but this is too good to ignore! hehe

Enjoy!

Foreign backing gives Dalai Lama no room but doom

In his five decades of exile, the Dalai Lama has never stopped plotting to seek "Tibet independence" through allying with foreign forces to internationalize the so-called "Tibet issue" and press the Chinese government.

In recent years, he tried desperately to make international appearances, begging for visits to foreign countries and meeting with state leaders. On Thursday, U.S. President Barack Obama met with the Dalai Lama despite stern warnings from China.

After the meeting, the Dalai Lama claimed that he had the responsibility to speak for the six million Tibetans.

However, he must have forgotten that the fate of Tibet never relies on him and a few foreigners but has always been decided by all the Chinese people, including all ethnic minorities in the region.

Xinhua

"TIBET ISSUE" A PSEUDO PROPOSITION

The so-called "Tibet issue" was fabricated by imperialists to serve their intention of invading, partitioning and containing China.

Back in 1888 and 1904, troops of the United Kingdom intruded into Tibet twice, but failed to take it away from China due to strong revolt from the Tibetan people backed by the whole Chinese nation. Since then, foreign forces turned to cultivating their agents for "Tibet independence" in the upper strata of Tibet's local ruling echelon. After the Second World War, the United States directly interfered with Tibetan affairs, sabotaging China's cause of national unification and liberation of the people.

In order to maintain the theocratic feudal serfdom, local rulers in Tibet colluded with foreigners to first violently resist the peaceful liberation of Tibet and then start an armed rebellion against democratic reforms.

In 1954, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) recruited spies among Tibetans, sent them for training and then secretly took them back to China. The U.S. had been supplying weapons and ammunition to these spies through secret border transport and air-dropping.

In March 1959 when the Dalai Lama and his followers failed in an insurgency and fled Tibet, he was closely accompanied by a CIA radio operator who helped keep contact with outside forces and guided them to air-drop materials to the fleeing group.

Since 1959, the Dalai Lama has been relying on foreign forces. A declassified document showed the U.S. spent up to 1.66 million dollars in 1964 on the "Tibet project" alone. The money was spent supporting 2,100 "Tibet guerrillas," buying equipment and educating senior "Tibet officials." Other expenditures included transport and intelligence training.

Meanwhile, the Dalai Lama received an allowance of 180,000 dollars, a huge amount of money compared with a salary of 100,000 dollars for the then U.S. president.

We can say the "Tibet issue" would have vanished long ago if the foreign forces had not spared no effort to support the Dalai Lama.

And on and on blaming the US and foreign government support of the Dalai...

ILLEGITIMATE CLIQUE The Dalai Lama tries very hard to legitimize his clique, but in fact he is just a card in the hand of foreign forces to serve their China strategies.

SELF-CLAIMED "SON OF INDIA"

When some foreign groups are claiming that they support the Dalai Lama for the protection of the distinct Tibetan religion, culture and language, it is also a question as to whether the monk himself is a Tibetan.

On March 31, 2009, the Dalai Lama said to media in New Delhi that he was a son of India. He repeated the claim at an international conference on Nov. 22 later that year. He put it clearer at the opening ceremony of an international Buddhist conference held in Gujarat State in India on Jan. 16 this year, saying: "It is indisputable that I am a son of India. in the past 50 years I have been living on Indian foods and India has presented great opportunities for me. For these reasons, I see myself as a son of India and I am proud of that. I am a Tibetan in appearance because my parents are Tibetans, but spiritually I am Indian."

So the end result of all the insults to China is that we have gravely hurt Sino-US ties!

U.S action gravely hurts Sino-U.S. ties

BEIJING, Feb. 19 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Vice-Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai Friday summoned the U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman and lodged solemn representations over U.S. President Barack Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama.

"The U.S. act grossly interfered in China's internal affairs, gravely hurt the Chinese people's national sentiments and seriously damaged the Sino-U.S. ties, " said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu in a further statement Friday

What's behind Obama- Dalai meeting?

Bottom line, the Chinese Central Committee that runs the show really doesn't like Dalai, isn't about to give an inch, he's a very important issue! But apparently Obama or whomever can meet and talk to the Dalai and they will get just moderately PO'd!

So life goes on...







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In response to the videos I would remind China that there is always a Yin to a yang. What goes around, Does indeed Come around.

Put down rattle.
Look silly.
Make fun.
Haha

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The Dalai Lama is not asking for armies or mothers to give up their sons to die for the Tibetans. That is NEVER want he seeks for.

He only wants help from the world, for fellow humans to understand the sad plight of the Tibetans today, robbed and raped by an illegal govt and brutual bullying regime, and to censure them, condemn them, in the hope that they may stop their lies and repression.

We all may be suffering today, but at least we still have our 3 meals and a shelter over our heads, elected representatives attempting to unravel the crisis, but our fellow humans over at Tibet have none of such luxuries today. How many more tibetans murdered before the rest of humanity will act and stop the bullying by the CCP?

Please ExprEss yourself. Please.....rolling red carpet.....

Still my BrothA.
Though I'll Be me.
Thank You.

Communication check, Over?

but not Out.....

just out 'here'.

Got 'your' thrEquency?
Night.
|O|

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by Jay-morris
How was your paycheck from the CCP last month? Still quite a bit unspent and probably better siphon off to the swiss bank, as your 30million other commie bastards party members do, profiting off the backs of the indigenous Chinese people turned into slaves.

“history and facts show no tolerance towards distortion.” Nice quotes. The beast Mao and the present president of Iran El Mad love to give such quotes too, ever ready to claim others distort history, while they themselves are the biggest culprit of ALL times.

Tibet had been a sovereign nation before in the past, and was dominated by the various barbarians that ruled China even today. When the Qing dynasty was kicked out, Tibet declared themselves a sovereign state. China then had problems of their own. It was a time of peace for Tibetans.

They are all religious by nature, and exposure to various different cultures is limited due to their remoteness in geographical terms. Monarchy and theocracy was a norm, just as England, its colonies and European states had been till the present Era. The Tibetans knew not better, having been steeped to seeking spiritual goals than material needs. No brutual repression had been enacted onto the Tibetans before prior to invasion by the CCP monsters.

Furthermore, not many or even themselves know of the mineral rsources Tibel held. They were contented to live in peace and with nature. Even the common Chinese masses whom supported the CCP in the past thought paradise would be brought closer to Earth.

But unfortunately, it was only the beginning of hell, for the Chinese masses as well as the Tibetans. Tibet was raped for its mineral resources, and peaceful unarmed villagers oppressed, tortured for speaking up, as millions of Chinese slaves were forcefully shipped to Tibet, robbing Tibetans of their lands. Mao in the 60s was a brutual cultural murderer as well, don’t hide such facts

I can go on, but your CCP propaganda aint gonna work here, not on this site which aims to end ignorance and end ‘distortion of history’ as you are doing. You alone are more dangerous than the Dalai Lamai, let alone mention your nefarious CCP that you persist in licking up their boots for crumbs tainted with human blood.

The world thought with Deng in charge, reforms will come, but its repression of the resilient Chinese people and its colonies only continued. Worsened when they became unchallenged unfettered Capitalist with slave labourers.

Who speaks up for the oppressed Tibetans? Only the Dalai Lama, with support of its people, for the world to hear and help a peaceful people bullied by the CCP regime.

Im not saying that china is perfect, far from it, i am saying that Dalai Lama is not perfect either. Read up on history, and you will see what the great Dalai Lama was like when he was in tibet. But people seem to forget this, they brush it under the carpet and hope that no one will bring it up. People are such hypocrites.

And tibet is much better off with China there. I have travelled china, and tibet, so i have seen tibet with my own eyes and not just read or watched the crap you see from the media. Yes, China could do more things, better things in tibet, and i really hope they do.

Like i said before, i know China are not perfect, but what country is. Do you think countries like america,russia and england are clean, and have done nothing wrong, i dont think so.

One more thAng.

|O| < O


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Sure China, we will stop talking to this guy, oh by the way tariffs have gone up slightly on all your goods. It's just 3000% no worries right?