DNA evidence of ET? part 2

Maybe you are a Basque they show no known link to any DNA other then Neandrathals,check it out,imagine the suprise I was always told I was built like an ape,and to find out they were not off mark lol

The time references in the story are rather incredible, several thousand and ten thousand years of war, etc...a species that can maintain any sense of history and culture after such long periods of time would have to be exceptionally long lived.

I find the concept if identifiable creatures becoming dominant, much less even existing, to be difficult to consider. wolves and apes are unique indiginious creatures of earth (I think..) and for even a single creature on earth to be likened to something outside of earth, the odds must be astronomical, much less for said creature to become "top dog" so to speak.

Still, neat story...alot of old concepts (star wars/star trek), and plenty of new blood into the stories. I will read the rest of your papers later on once I digest em...this thread however isn't really the best place for such sci-fi discussions (or non-fiction as you insist, but you know...proof required before that leap is made for me anyhow)

Anyhow, good rough draft...worth the read...obviously needs a bit of tweaking for readability, conceptual flow, and of course run a spellchecker through it.

First off let me say, I have no idea why my post was removed. But I trust the mod's judgment.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Mask:
Although I see no reason to believe this chap or anyone else proclaiming themselves as a ET, I see no reason to not take advantage of interesting stories nonetheless.

Ah...you find one of your peers "possibly" (I say possibly because, hey he may be an alien, right?) being mentally ill or confused in life, to be an "interesting story".

I see...I do not.

I worry about anthra and his issues with "thinking himself from space".

I also do not think he is performing a scam.

I am glad you find his story to be one that is interesting.

I think ultimately its just a suspend disbelief and listen verses kneejerk dismiss everything.

My reply here has nothing to do with kneejerking. It has to do with a human being appearnetly convinced he is an alien. I have had conversations with him myself.

He says he is "sent here to help begin the destruction of the human race".

If you see no danger in people thinking themselves the savior/destroyer of the human race...then I have to say we have totally different views.

What will purposefully spending time to dismiss someone serve you beyond...well, wasting that time in your life responding to something in disbelief...

Gee...I dunno..perhaps presenting "reality" to someone "possibly" (again, possibly because, hey, he may be an alien) detached from it, I hope to bring him closer to getting a grip on the world.

sort of pointless and you end up gaining nothing from the experience.

Pointless to you...because this is entertainment, as you stated.

For me, this is not entertainment.

Perhaps you should look into what happens to people who continue to foster and chase fictional realities. Delusional realities are very often dangerous to those trapped inside them...they fall apart eventually, like crystalline spheres...and when they do, they almost always hurt the individual (and sometimes those around them).

I know, I know...you are having fun being entertained...I am actually here trying to urge him to seek medical attention. Like many others who have been following his threads.

Quick question, do you watch star trek and yell at the TV the whole time that its not real, or do you simply sit back, become entertained, perhaps even allow for wonderment and hopeing to hear how the story advances...

The difference is...star trek characters are not known to have thousands of suicides a year, or cater towards violence on themselves or others in the event of their "false reality" shattering or collasping.

I can not stress this enough to you....you are paralleling a TV show with a human life, and seeing "trying to reason" with this guy here, to be as pointless as screaming at a TV.

In fact...I have to wonder if you think this guy's life is more of a "tv show" then an actually person who "may be in serious need of help".

Have you any idea how many cases like this man's, tend to end up very sad in the end?

Yeah...it is nothing like star-trek...so maybe YOU need to stop watching the TV as much. This is a human PERSON not an hour-long sci-fi show with a promised "happy ending".

which way is more interesting to spend your time, quick dismissing or interest in storytelling?

Just to reiterate...you are here being amused by anthra...I am here urging him to seek help before the compounding weight of reality finally has a serious effect on him or those around him.

I am so glad the media has you comparing the suffering of a real person to be the same to you as "watching a show for entertainment".

And finally...what happens on the off chance that the guy is for real to begin with but simply cant be farked to go into debt to prove to internet skeptics he is who he is?

Have you followed this man's threads? I am not flippantly accusing him of lying...I have had many interactions with anthra on this board. His story is not new to me.

Many of us here on ATS have systematically proven half of his information to be false, and the other half to be either stolen from other's or contradicting to his own story.

I've done more then a few minutes research on our friend here....from his website, to his personal testominies, to speaking with people who personally know him.

I have reasons to seriously worry about this guy...and I can not understand why my last post was considered rude.

I simply am begging this man to seek help...he shows in many of his posts signs that concern me.

Am I out of line in asking him to seek help?

I don't care if I am....frankly, trying to get him to a doctor is more important then any mod judging my post to be "bad stuff".

Anyhow...I respect ya Mask, just wondering why you actually care...

I've lost a friend to similar states of confusion. I also have worked with mentally ill people and think I am very correct in saying- "this guy believes" what he is saying but his work/talk/website/history shows he is absolutely "mistaken" in his ideas on his space-origins.

If I am wrong...well WOW! Then we have an ET here!

If I am right...then we have a real human being, thinking himself an alien sent to make war and destruction on earth, all the while trying his hardest to prove he really IS an alien.

There are literally thousands of studies on cases like these...it is high-school text-book sort of stuff. Check out some very "entertaining" views from PHD holding psychologists and the current standing understanding of "delusions".

The British Journal of Psychiatry
Among the mentally ill, those with well-developed delusions are more likely to commit violent crimes against persons than those with chronic, undifferentiated psychoses.

The American Psychiatric Association
Previous work has suggested that delusions are associated with a higher risk of violence, particularly delusions in which patients believe that people are seeking to harm them or that outside forces are controlling their minds (denoted as "threat/control override" delusions).

I could fill pages with this sort of information. I find it shocking that you are unaware of things like this and continue to call my attempts at "getting this man to a doctor" as being a "breach of entertainment".

the guy said he knows his proof is not up to par, but frankly, any attempt trumps the others out there to begin with,

Follow his story...listen to his details...there is much more to this sotry then what is in this thread and it shouldn't be hard to search it all out here on ATS. He has been very forthcoming with his "evidence" and "story".

With all that said...I still don't know why my post was considered "ill mannered" but I can't argue with the mods, we all know I have a history of saying things incorrectly.

But anthra...I still stand to say, that there is an overwhelming chance that you are suffering from delusions and that you should seek out a doctor to talk to. Someone who can help you figure this mystery out.

Because guessing in the dark from behind your keyboard is not going to correct any problems you are having...

And who knows...maybe they can prove you right?

But seriously...you should really be looking for someone "offline" to tell this entire story to...and that someone should be a doctor.

I really do think it will help you....and I am not speaking from a stance of "not knowing cases like this in the past"...I have dealt with and worked with many people with similar stories and/or fabricated realities.

Ok...I said my side...hope that clears things up a little and that I wasn't out of line.

I tried.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Mr Mask]

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You make some decent points. Your right, mentally disturbed people with a sudden fracture of their percieved reality can indeed cause some issues.

Some counterpoints - Since when will someone convinced of something listen to random internet people doubting them...typically they wont even trust the word of their friends and family, much less random internet people...so for you this has more to do with your friend you were unable to help and not soo much with A.

Now, to Andro: Take into consideration the fairly valid points of Mask. If you were to find out one day you were mistaken, that you are just a regular joe knuckledragger like the rest of us and you found out that you were influenced by...whatever, say you fell asleep while a sci-fi show was on and it created a vivid dream you interpreted for reality.

How would it make you feel?

Would you simply shrug it off, or finding that just being a human to be too terrible considering what you believe yourself to be now?

Would you still be interested in the UFO subject or would the let down be too great to ever care about it again?

Dont snap decide that the questions dont apply to you because in the end, no person truely knows what is true anymore...we simply have perspectives, some verifiable, some not (aka, I believe string theory is correct, I believe that is a solid science, but if it is found out to be bunk, I wont sweat over it). Search within yourself and answer the questions...Dont veer off the subject, just answer the questions in the most honest way you can...not for face value, but how you personally truely would feel/react. This is more for you than for us to understand.

reply to post by SaturnFX


What Mask says is true, he and I have had conversations in the past, before he decided to ignore me.

From the beginning Mr. Mask has shown a talent for completely misunderstanding what I have said, and many time completely reversed what I've said, it appears he is still doing that. For instance, I have never said I was here to start the destruction of Earth / mankind, or anything else.

Mask has been informed on several occasions that I have seen the requsite professionals in the past, and even now I see a US Government Doctor on a regular basis. My current physician is fully aware of who I am, as he puts it; "I'm only concerned with your physical and mental wellbeing". He will not and I suppose can not offer any help in the proof dept.

As for your suggestions of looking within ... I've been doing that for 40 years, nothing changes, I am still me. Actually, there has been one change ... I am more fully in touch with myself than most.

I will not realize one day that this has all been a delusion, because, it is not a delusion. Remember please, I am the one who has stood on the deck of a starship and been told he was not human. That reality is the reason I undertook the 40+ year introspection and continue it today. This is no simple thing to know about one's self, it is no simple thing to live with.

Mr. Mask says he's concerned about me, he should be more concerned about himself for he is the one who's world bubble is about to burst.

By the way, my people are a very long lived species. my mother for instance is equivelent to a human in their mid twenties (about 24); she is over 950 Terrestrial years in age.

I only used the "Wolf" and "Ape" referance in that story because it is something humans, and I can relate to. Though it is true that my people were, once, a rather Wolf like creature.

If you consider how life springs up an any planet, you can see that the simularities are more than just possible, they're probable. Normal planetary forming events tend to create a lot of chemicals that when combined can react and form ever more comples organic chemicals. The chance of metors and comets bringing other chamicals, and perhaps snipets of RNA/DNA from afar can make for many simular and odd worlds alike. My original world just happens to be rather Earth like (actually I think that should be the other way around ... my people are older than Humans).

Anyway, my point here is that Mask is wrong, and has never gotten anything about me right. Its kinda like has made up his mind about me, and is going to insist that is the way it is. Course, IF he persists, I may have to actually do something, I'm beginning to feel that he may be the dangerous one here. He keeps poping up in my threads, almost as if he stalking me.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

You make some decent points. Your right, mentally disturbed people with a sudden fracture of their percieved reality can indeed cause some issues.

It is a common occurrence in delusional individuals. One of the highest "at-risk" groups for suicide and/or violent crimes.

I am not sharing ground breaking news...but thank you for calling these "simple facts" "decent points".

Some counterpoints -

Of course..because it wouldn't be "entertaining" for you unless you offered some counter point to the reasoning behind "me asking antra to seek a doctor".

Since when will someone convinced of something listen to random internet people doubting them...typically they wont even trust the word of their friends and family, much less random internet people...so for you this has more to do with your friend you were unable to help and not soo much with A.

There have been millions of people helped by others asking them to initially seek help. In fact, many many patients who seek mental evaluation are people who took the advice of others who urged them do to so.

Did me and my friends save our "buddy" from being swallowed by a cult of crazy folk who convinced him he was a vampire? Nope...we failed.

Am I to ignore signals for concern in another who seems to be showing the same warning signs of my "personal friend" who was ultimately harmed in his hallucinations and gullibility? No...losing a friend is no reason to not try and "help a stranger".

Maybe you give up on people...heck, you even made it clear you find this "entertaining" to some level.

No...I see a huge danger in antra's inability to reason within his reality.

If I am out of line in trying to convince him in seeking help...then I am out of line.

To Anthra-

Look...no offense...I know "being an alien" seems real enough to you.

But I assure you, you are not an alien...and if you would just go to talk to a medical doctor about these ideas, they would not hurt you or laugh.

Things will get a lot better if you share this info with medical people "offline".

Take my advice...please.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

As for your suggestions of looking within ... I've been doing that for 40 years, nothing changes, I am still me. Actually, there has been one change ... I am more fully in touch with myself than most.

I will not realize one day that this has all been a delusion,

Hey Anthra.
ok, I asked for you to look within not to find your truth or anything like that, but to look within to answer honestly the three questions I posed to you. I am not here to talk you out of your understanding, just am asking you to speculate (I assume they speculate on your planet (omg, a pun).

So, would ask you to answer the three questions...pure speculation..

If you found out your life was a delusion and you were indeed human:

1) how would you feel about that

2) Would you be suicidal/angry/etc or would you simply smile about it and move on, being content to be a simple human:

3) Would you still be interested in the UFO field or would it simply be too bitter a hobby to hold onto?

Thats it, no strings attached, and hell, you could ask the same question reversed to me (if you woke up one day to find out you were a housefly dreaming I was a human). Speculation is a healthy way of finding out who we are by questioning what we think we are not.

because, it is not a delusion. Remember please, I am the one who has stood on the deck of a starship and been told he was not human. That reality is the reason I undertook the 40+

I would have grabbed erm...a air freshener or something. Should this happen again, try to sneak off with a wurzlgrrbl or some such space item for proof...or simply ask for something harmless yet bulletproof...but as you wrote, you have been pretty much left alone as of late.

I will say, if I personally was wisked away into a starship, I would be questioning my reality also...both there and here. I would think I am going a bit nuts, but then again, watching the nightly news makes me question reality also...come to find out, the world really is this nuts...anyhow, bit envious of that bit, but moving on...

Mr. Mask says he's concerned about me, he should be more concerned about himself for he is the one who's world bubble is about to burst.

I personally am a skeptic also, but nothing would make me happier than a nice bubble burst. I would love to find out a world according to Bob Dean or Greer was indeed the true reality we exist in...all of my skeptical analysis out the door and all my theorys shot to bullpucky, I would never be more overjoyed about being wrong than in those moments...I suspect most UFO skeptics are like this, Mr. Mask included...but, for skeptics, we really do require some pretty solid proof before making the leap, else we are just subscribing to a religion...and one with far less cool cathederals to begin with.

I do remember reading you have seeked help before, its also good that your currently seeing a therapist also. That puts my concern about your state of mind at ease a bit...hell, even if they dont convince you otherwise, having a therapist around can be quite useful for other parts of your life.

Anyway, my point here is that Mask is wrong, and has never gotten anything about me right. Its kinda like has made up his mind about me, and is going to insist that is the way it is. Course, IF he persists, I may have to actually do something, I'm beginning to feel that he may be the dangerous one here. He keeps poping up in my threads, almost as if he stalking me.

Well, you are a interesting guy, and he makes no secret about how you effect him on a personal level (lost a friend to some vamp cult). I understand his concern and passion (perhaps misplaced since your already getting the help he is urging you to get), but putting him on ignore I think is a bit too simple, unless he is simply threadjacking of course..I dont know, dont wanna get involved in the issues you two have.

I personally would feel honored to have someone follow my threads when I make em...even if they are a foe, but then again, I enjoy a good mental debate so long as it remains clever and civil.

I think a responsible thing you could do however it have others whom are proclaming themselves to be ETs and are simply delusional is to help the cause...you proclaim your ET, and at the same tolken, you also make use of therapists...would you recommend others whom believe they are something unusual take the same measures as if anything, a precaution?

I will assume your listing of races are basically THIS list here. Would you say this is about accurate for your narrative (might as well research it if I am going to continue reading your storys) or is there a better listing to go with?

Also...mom is 24/900+. Such an age would certainly see through a number of years without having much go on. I have plenty of other questions but will wait for now due to this essay here...and I gotta also respond to Mask..and my political talking heads are on. Why dont you start a thread just on your paper back-story in the gray area or skunkworks so new postings and questions pertaining to that particular line can be asked and answered in there...this thread is about any new news about your DNA results you may come up with later...(run a spellchecker through it beforehand though...few words that are off)

Regards
Sat.

reply to post by Mr Mask


Ello

ok, first off, I dont really give up on people and simply take them as entertainment...ok, thats a lie, I do actually, but if I find I can help, then I do...I simply do not feel its my mission to take personally anyone not seeing things my way...hell, I think 75% of ATS is flat out nuts, but I dont sweat it.
Out of all the crazy here on ATS, I would venture to say that this guy is in better shape than most...why? because as he says he has seen and continues to see a therapist.
So, its out of your hands, my hands, baby jesus's hands, etc...so sit back and listen to him verses keep telling him to get a therapist...he has one.

Frankly, I think someone with my approach is more likely to get this guy help than someone with your approach. I see your passionate opposition towards him and that tends to simply dig peoples heels in further. I will listen to him, become entertained, and often as stories unfold, hanging threads are visible, a simple tug of it can sometimes unweave the whole tapestry if its poorly constructed.

And there is always the final thought....what if he is right...what if he is telling the truth. I have yet to read everything on his website yet, but plan on it over the next few days..so far, I see no major inconsistancies, with the exception that the whole thing sounds like a acid trip...but any account of a galactic history would sound like that anyhow. If there are inconsistancies, I will certainly be asking about them...

I did notice though that he did speak before about seeing therapists and you have told him to go see a therapist, that could be swatted back into your corner of dismissing him without even reading what he writes, and therefore discredits what you say...but I wont go that far, I simply think you dont believe him when he says he is currently seeing a shrink...but why would he lie. He seems to be wanting to understand himself (with the DNA testing and such) and so seeing a shrink would be part of that process...guy seems pretty level headed.

meh, what do I know...I am simply your run of the mill Saturnite trying to understand you humans anyhow...your all nuts.


ok, out.

Anthra...you state that you have been "assured" your alien status for 40+ years.

Please explain how that is true, since 15 years ago you were a Mage in the arts of Crowleynism (is that a word?) and fully on a whole different path then this newly created "alien thing" you are all about now.

Are you deigning that less then 20 years ago you were "not all about being an alien"?

Are you trying to say that you have had this stance for longer then a handful of years, and that this imagined state of yours is not, in fact, just a newer misconception that you have adopted after your last one failed?


You seem to forget how far we have discussed this in other threads, and the truth behind your history as a magik using mage.

What I am saying anthra...is that you are contradicting the past that has already been discussed in your other threads.

What happened to your magik days? And what changed those "magik using years" into "I'm an alien"?

Also...please do more to detail this story about you standing on a star-ship.

I am very shocked that that story doesn't go as far back as the easily researchable history you have left behind for the public to review.


Like I said...this alien thing is not 40 years old...its a newer creation of your imagination that dosn't follow your information online for "40+ years".

Nor does it correspond with the information posted here in prior threads from people who knew you (and you also admitted to knowing).

Just seems weird to me...

Again...please....stop sending things to online-dna-data-bases and start looking for a doctor to sit down with and just talk.

The validation you seek is not going to come from an online source...you will need to take a personal face-to-face approach with a credited doctor who can help you prove or disprove your official story.

PS- Anthra...saying you will have to "do something" to handle me is a bit ominous. Kinda scary...mind clearing that up? In our last interaction on ATS, you posted that you were going to tell your "alien mother" to handle me once and for all..remember that?!

Do you see no reason for concern when you are rushing to inform your superior alien mother about me so she can "handle me"?

Really anthra...you need to see this for what it really is.



[edit on 24-2-2010 by Mr Mask]

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Came across something on this here innerwebz:

About The Direct Relatives of Kilrhackzox
Three men, with three minds, wrote three syllables and placed them in one hat. After pulling those syllables and placing them in blind order, they learned his name. Then they drank his blood.

To all those faceless and with us on this last adventure towards the empty void, let it be said here and now that you are loved, honored and valued more then any wealth, whore or wonder. You have made the choice to stand among your brothers and sisters. You have taken the drastic step to claim your new family. Among us we have true brotherhood and kinship. Among us we have an army that is true and tempered as if steel. Among us we have each other and what more do we need to remain happy and in good company?

Each one of us has adopted a Mask and the family that comes with it. I have known no blessing greater then the friends around me who have removed their face to stand by me today.

I have never seen so many Gods in one room. I have never before felt so sanctified as I do when we share good times together in assemblage.

I lift my Mask for you all, for you truly are my blood. Kilrhackzox has seen to it that we have found each other, and we shall all see to it that we are never lost again.

One cause, one meaning, one life, one family.

See, now I find that entertaining...amusing...and sure as all get out crazy. I also like the industro-goth post apoc feel of the music...but thats just my weird tastes.
Flipping through the blogs had even more "crazy talk" which if you said was the truth, I would be wondering if you were seeing a doctor. (incidently, Ben ever show up?)

But I imagine its just a fun expression of creativity...point being, theres alot of crazy, present company not excluded...wanted to say something about glass houses here, but expressions are ghey.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by Mr Mask

 

Ello

Hey!

ok, first off, I dont really give up on people and simply take them as entertainment...ok, thats a lie, I do actually,

Thank you for your honesty.

but if I find I can help, then I do...

Good call...I don't know if I can help anthra...but I sure in hell am going to try and get him to a doctor in hopes of saving himself or someone else unneeded pain in the future.

I simply do not feel its my mission to take personally anyone not seeing things my way...hell, I think 75% of ATS is flat out nuts, but I dont sweat it.

There are wacky people, and then there are flashing red flags that fit perfectly in the files of "text book" cases.

I do personally think this guy is a text-book red flag flashing for all to see.

I could be wrong...he could actually be an alien...right?

But even then...he would be an alien that admits to "being sent here to begin chaos and war". Again, if you are new to anthra's story, you may not know his "mission" that his "space mother" sent him on here on earth.

Either way...true or not...the outcome is not that pretty.

Out of all the crazy here on ATS, I would venture to say that this guy is in better shape than most...why? because as he says he has seen and continues to see a therapist.

Anthra has posted very detailed information about what type of "help" he received from a doctor. He said he had a check up, told the doc he was an alien, and then the doctor sent him home with advice of-

"don't worry guy...keep that to yourself...nothing wrong with thinking that".

That is the "short version" of anthra's self-described visit with doctors.

Since that story was very recent...I have reasons to assume his "therapist" is in fact "not real" unless he says that the therapist has taken actions to limit anthra's imagined story.

So, its out of your hands, my hands, baby jesus's hands, etc...

Wrong...nothing is out of my hands as long as I have someone reading my words. There is still hope for progress and healing here.

so sit back and listen to him verses keep telling him to get a therapist...he has one.

Does he? Last time it was "I need no therapist and refuse to seek one because a doctor told me its ok to think this".

Now it is "I'm receiving help...but here I still am demanding I am an alien".

Does that sound like someone who is currently working with a therapist?

I WILL tell you...if he is actually seeing a therapist (and I doubt that he is as much as I doubt his star-ship story), then he DID seek that help after many people (online or off) urged him to do it...since last we spoke he was very against the idea.

Frankly, I think someone with my approach is more likely to get this guy help than someone with your approach.

Really? I saw you saying "let it go, this is entertainment".

I didn't see that as anything "helpful".

I see your passionate opposition towards him and that tends to simply dig peoples heels in further.

I do not care about people's heels.

I will listen to him, become entertained, and often as stories unfold, hanging threads are visible, a simple tug of it can sometimes unweave the whole tapestry if its poorly constructed.

I admit to assuming this guy a hoax at first...but after listening to him and weighing much of what he has said (and I have found), I quickly became worried of his stability or inability to remain attached to reality. I may be wrong...he may be an alien.

But if I am right...then anthra is within a very dangerous statistical group.

You gain entertainment from the guy...I simply ask that he seeks proper help.

And there is always the final thought....what if he is right...what if he is telling the truth. I have yet to read everything on his website yet, but plan on it over the next few days..so far,

Well...let me help you on your quest. You see, his website will show you nothing at first...but if you are "special like him" or of "gifted DNA" you will notice certain codes in his scripting and then understand he is right...

That's right...the answer is a secret code in his website that can only be discovered by aliens like him.

Good luck. Hope you find out you are an alien just like him!

I see no major inconsistencies,

Perhaps this is because (as you have you admitted) you know nothing of anthra's back-story?

This rabbit hole goes deeper then his post here...try reading his entire history of posts here, then cross reference them with other sites and see where you end up.

If , like me, you end up talking to people who personally knew him (and worry about him) you may become of a new opinion on this matter.

Until then...enjoy seeing no "inconsistencies" within his story.

I did notice though that he did speak before about seeing therapists and you have told him to go see a therapist, that could be swatted back into your corner of dismissing him without even reading what he writes, and therefore discredits what you say

As stated before...he said many times he would seek no therapy and that he once saw a doctor who told him it is ok to think he is an alien.

This was very recently...I find it hard to believe that changed since then, and now he is receiving proper therapy, yet he is still here delivering the same story with no worry on his behalf of this all being "self created".

He is not continuing this adventure of his in a manner that suggests he is getting proper help or advice from a credited therapist.

In fact...he just stated in his last post that he is "in no way" delusional and that "there is no chance of finding out he is wrong".

Hardly the words of someone receiving the kind of help he would be given if he was talking to a "real doctor".

I simply think you dont believe him when he says he is currently seeing a shrink...but why would he lie.

Why would he lie? Why would he tell us his mother is a giant space woman who sent him to destroy earth and bring chaos to man? Why would he say he spent time on a space-ship and that he is an alien?

Really...if we are still within the realm of "why would anthra lie" then you really are not getting what I am laying down here.

He seems to be wanting to understand himself (with the DNA testing and such) and so seeing a shrink would be part of that process...guy seems pretty level headed.

Again...I urge you to read his prior threads...I also urge you to understand his mission to bring chaos to humanity and destruction.

meh, what do I know...I am simply your run of the mill Saturnite trying to understand you humans anyhow...your all nuts.

ok, out.

Ha! I SO hope you are kidding about that whole Saturnite thing...or that its a joke over my head. Either way...enjoy ATS and realize that not everything posted on here is simple entertainment.

Thanks for the thoughts and perspective.

reply to post by SaturnFX


What you reference is a social club I belong to...not on topic, but if you wish to discuss it, I'll accept a u2u or you can create a thread.

Artistic endeavors are hardly the same as "delusional misconception on reality" (but not always so).

Just a bunch of friends enjoying the company and music of good nights and lots of fun.

Hardly the "I am an alien" type of stuff that scares me.

Unorthodox? Sure...

But I am very aware of what I am am...and just what that means.

There is a danger in assuming yourself otherworldly and under the influence of a space-agenda that sent you here to disrupt humanity and usher in chaos.

Text book...

[edit on 25-2-2010 by Mr Mask]

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To answer your questions ...

So, would ask you to answer the three questions...pure speculation..

If you found out your life was a delusion and you were indeed human:

1) how would you feel about that

2) Would you be suicidal/angry/etc or would you simply smile about it and move on, being content to be a simple human:

3) Would you still be interested in the UFO field or would it simply be too bitter a hobby to hold onto?

Preface.
I find it difficult to even speculate on the impossible, but I shall try ...

1. How would I feel if I found that all this is a delusion? Not too good. I would be disappointed in the cosmos in general for violating some of the basic tenents set forth by Hermes (see the Emerald Tablet).

2. I would be a bit angry at the cosmos for wasting my life in such a bold faced manner. Would I be suicidal? probably not, just disappointed and angry.

3. I very much doubt that I would loose any interest in UFO's or aliens. I would still feel that the most important thisg that could happen to Earth is disclosure and the telling of the truth.

Etharzi od Oma


[edit on 25-2-2010 by AnthraAndromda]

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I tried reading part one but it just did not do it for me. Sequels always have more of the crappy gratuitous junk I like anyway. The only thing I am missing is your mission here. I see that you have said various things about specifically not being here to help but it seems the mask read you had a specific goal. Would you mind elaborating?

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I truly you have taken me off of "ignore", otherwise you will not get to read it.

What have you been smoking, and where can I get some?!!

It seems that your ability to reason is severly compromised!

For what its worth, I've known I'm an alien since I was 20 or so, that is to say I've known it consciously for about 40 years. I suspected something for probably 10 years prior to that.

I've also studied "Western Ceremonial Magick" since I was about 20, that includes Crowley. There is NO contradiction there, infact the two live on in harmony to this day.

You have, time and again, misinterpreted my words, you have given them meaning that wasn't intended, nor thought of. Why is that?

You're shocked that parts of my story don't go back as far as YOU think they should? Perhaps it is because I haven't revealed the whole story to you, why shoud I? With you twisting of the facts I given so far, you probably wouldn't get it right any how, and would be shocked that I said something I didn't.

Just who was it that knew me? I admitted to knowing no one. If there was ANYONE here that knew me back in the day they would confirm much of what I've said about knowing that I was an alien "back in the day".

Again, Mask, I'm seeing a Doctor on a regular basis, have been for many years now. While I can not and will not give many details about this I will say he works for the US Government, and is quite expert in his field (that would be medicine, psychology, and exobiology). Again, I see him on a regular basis, and we do talk of "things alien". He is fully aware of my entire medical history.

As for the "ominous" statement; I was thinking of an injunction to have you removed from ATS on cyber stalking grounds. But, that can wait...

Reaally Mask, YOU need to see this for what it really is!

Etharzi od Oma

P.S. Oh ... where did you get the bit about me being here to destroy Earth and generate chaos? I NEVER said that, nor would I. That is just too "off the wall" ... woah!

Originally posted by K J Gunderson
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I tried reading part one but it just did not do it for me. Sequels always have more of the crappy gratuitous junk I like anyway. The only thing I am missing is your mission here. I see that you have said various things about specifically not being here to help but it seems the mask read you had a specific goal. Would you mind elaborating?

Actually that seems to be a rather complex subject that I don't fully understand. Back in the 90's when I began to resolve some of this stuff, I had some fantisies about being some slien "demi-god" sent here to save the Earth, from what I'm not sure. As time passed I realized that my primary "mission" was two fold, to remain hidden, and to observe and learn about Humans. I have changed the parameters a bit, and have removed the " remain hidden" part. I still observe and learn about Humans, I report my knowledge to my people, and continue to observe.

It should go without saying; that my understanding of all this is constantly changing as I learn more about Human kind, myself, and the cosmos. I think the same could be said about any intelligent being.

Etharzi od Oma

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Actually that seems to be a rather complex subject that I don't fully understand. Back in the 90's when I began to resolve some of this stuff, I had some fantisies about being some slien "demi-god" sent here to save the Earth, from what I'm not sure. As time passed I realized that my primary "mission" was two fold, to remain hidden, and to observe and learn about Humans. I have changed the parameters a bit, and have removed the " remain hidden" part. I still observe and learn about Humans, I report my knowledge to my people, and continue to observe.

It should go without saying; that my understanding of all this is constantly changing as I learn more about Human kind, myself, and the cosmos. I think the same could be said about any intelligent being.

Etharzi od Oma

How do I contact your boss? I am interested in the research that they are trying to conduct and the very act of revealing to us that you are studying us nullifies any further research you can do. I would like to apply for your position as I feel I can keep my mouth shut a little better.

Shame they can master intergalactic flight but they have such bad management skills.

Originally posted by SaturnFX


And what the hell is the true significance of gold anyhow...its a bloody rock..why is gold so damned valueable yet soo incredibly useless. Almost every other raw material we have serves a function, diamonds cut anything, silver can be used for a multitude of stuff, but gold itself is all but useless for anything beyond...ooh..pretty.

Oh...had to add (sorry if not on topic) that gold is a prized material in electronics and a great conductor. NASA loves the stuff.

Originally posted by Mr Mask

Originally posted by SaturnFX


And what the hell is the true significance of gold anyhow...its a bloody rock..why is gold so damned valueable yet soo incredibly useless. Almost every other raw material we have serves a function, diamonds cut anything, silver can be used for a multitude of stuff, but gold itself is all but useless for anything beyond...ooh..pretty.

Oh...had to add (sorry if not on topic) that gold is a prized material in electronics and a great conductor. NASA loves the stuff.

I understand the current application of gold in electronics, I was talking more of a historical context...all nations on earth have this love of a rock for little more than the pretty value it holds.

It makes for crappy armor, not the greatest building material, and a ancient egyptian or medieval joe wouldn't need semiconductor material.

Silver does have some uses beyond pretty, such as mirrors, its a tough material that has good temperature bearing, etc.

Gold however is the one constant throughout all nations and cultures as being this super valueable thing for all time, and only lately have we found actual uses beyond just the pretty aspect...and the uses are high tech.

I am almost sure this is not even remotely related to the topic, but its a interesting observation nonetheless (and alot of "I am ET" threads often have interesting speculation about how this particular rock is soo valueable)

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It sounds like you are under the impression that gold is the most valuable element on the planet. There are substances that are worth far more per gram than gold. It is not the Highest standard for anything. It is not even really close? It is already superseded by platinum just in the world of shiny. Maybe I have read you wrong.