67 year old man beats the hell out of thug on bus

Originally posted by EMPIRE
Another member posted the interview with the woman who filmed the incident. The member posted it because she said the black guy appeared drunk. She also said the white guy appeared drunk and said drugs could have been involved. So if the person who posted the vid cited her statement as evidence that the black guy was drunk, I’m citing her claim that the white guy started the whole ordeal. You cannot have it both ways.

If that is true then both of them can argue they were under the influence of a substance and neither had a realistic chance of avoiding the confrontation. When somebody under the influence of drugs or alcohol harms somebody else that is not, being under the influence is not an excuse. But if both were, then it is a different matter. (It appears nobody but those two were directly harmed by what happened so the issue is between the two of them).

The account of the witness (young woman) should be taken into consideration, but so should the fact that there is a conflict of interest using her testimony as evidence to support the assertion that the old man was in the wrong. Why? Well, it can be argued she is heard encouraging the younger guy to physically harm the older guy on several occasions while yelling comments that can also be deemed racist. Why should we all take her word for it that the old man started things and made them escalate?

Actually, according to the video they are both guilty and if the older guy said, “You ain’t scared of this white boy” and he said it before the black guy said he would stick his foot up his A**, one can make a compelling argument that those words are a challenge.

But what he said is not an incitement to violence. What the younger man said in reply was an incitement to violence. The older guy's words sound like he is mocking what the younger was implying "I aint scared of you".

No, he didn’t try to diffuse the situation because he kept talking and they both antagonized each other after he moved to the front.

I agree that he should have stopped talking as well. But in his favour is the irrefutable fact that he moved away from the younger guy and would have stayed away had the younger man not come back on two separate occasions form the back to the front of the bus. They were both antagonising but the younger man made the situation escalate rapidity when he decided to land a weak punch to the older guy's chest.

Actually, if you refer to the previous post I made with the penal code, and you did some reading about that penal code (and another one I listed) it isn’t as simple as the first one throwing the punch and the right to protect himself. What caused the altercation? If we know what caused the altercation, we know just about who is to blame, and based on the statement given by the person who filmed it, the statement that another member of the board posted, the white guy did start this entire ordeal.

You raise valid points here. But do you really think the situation is as clear-cut as that? Were other witnesses interviewed and asked what had taken place? We cannot make a fair judgement based on the account of one single person - especially when this person is heard to be encouraging the younger man to attack the older man.

We can hear throughout the video that other witnesses (excluding the woman mentioned) urged the younger man to not further antagonise the older man. Another woman even says "leave that man alone" and the younger man is twice held by the collar by another female witness who can sense trouble brewing.

To top it off, the younger guy announces his Battle Cry ("What? Waaaaaaaaaat!") which is another incitement to violence. Sorry, but based on the evidence in the video the younger guy appears to be the one responsible for the situation he found himself in afterwards.

[edit on 18/2/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by Blender
Dark Ghost- There was no miscommunication. The only one that didn't know what was going on was the black drunk. Beard man knew fully well what he was saying, and why he was saying it. It was simply to provoke this sloppy drunk into swinging at him, so he could do what he did.

Beard man is just a random crazed Vietnam vet. People are glorifying it making it seem like a frail old man stood up to some 20 year old gang banger.

This is just a case of a wiley, troublesome old man causing trouble, because thats what he likes to do...

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Blender]

I disagree. Look at the way they are looking at each other after they both remove their glasses. It seems the younger guy has taken offence to something the older guy has said (shoe shining comment), and the older guy has taken offence to something the younger guy said (thinking the younger man was insinuating he was prejudiced).

It seems for much of the video neither knows why they or the other person are so angry. It is only when both start making physical threats at the other that they are comprehending what is said.

P.S.: For somebody that is drunk, the younger guy certainly knows how to walk a straight line back and forth without too much trouble.

For somebody on drugs, the older guy sure has extraordinary aim as almost every single one of his punches meets the other guy's face.

Tbh I think this explanation of both being under some kind of external influence is garbage. People just don't want to admit that avoiding confrontation was the best remedy for both people.

[edit on 18/2/2010 by Dark Ghost]

reply to post by ker2010


Hmm yeh well I guessed that, just still suprised it's gotton so much attention still lol.

Man this threads gone on long...

Call me schaudenfreude but I secretly always love it when the underdog/pacifist gets their rocks off...

Mentally ill people arent there for your amusement. They need to be treated with compassion and help.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Am I the only one who is wondering why this has gotten so much attention, this crap happens all the time. What's the deal? is it a race thing?

Apparently this got a lot of white kids who were most likely bullied by a black person getting their rocks off seeing it turned around. Go check out the vid on YouTube, you can't go through more than 5 comments without some kid saying "yeah! *insert racial slur here* got his ass beat!!!" Its actually disturbing.

The problem in this case is this isn't some meek guy being taunted, and defending himself with righteous fury... Its pretty much the opposite of that. It seems the bad guy won this round, winning the fight with malevolant rage.





[edit on 19-2-2010 by Blender]

Originally posted by Blender

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Am I the only one who is wondering why this has gotten so much attention, this crap happens all the time. What's the deal? is it a race thing?

Apparently this got a lot of white kids who were most likely bullied by a black person getting their rocks off seeing it turned around. Go check out the vid on YouTube, you can't go through more than 5 comments without some kid saying "yeah! *insert racial slur here* got his ass beat!!!" Its actually disturbing.

The problem in this case is this isn't a video of some meek guy being taunted, and defending himself with righteous fury... Its pretty much the opposite of that. It seems the bad guy won this round.



[edit on 19-2-2010 by Blender]

Im wandering if this old man wanted a fight why did he move up front? Why didnt he stay at the back and keep arguing? Their was no way in hell for this old man to know the guy would follow him up front. So i ask you this, if you are blaming this on the old man looking a fight why did he move?

I have seen my share of people looking fights, not once have i ever seen one remove themselves from a situation if they were looking for a fight.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by ker2010]

Originally posted by ker2010

Originally posted by Blender

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Am I the only one who is wondering why this has gotten so much attention, this crap happens all the time. What's the deal? is it a race thing?

Apparently this got a lot of white kids who were most likely bullied by a black person getting their rocks off seeing it turned around. Go check out the vid on YouTube, you can't go through more than 5 comments without some kid saying "yeah! *insert racial slur here* got his ass beat!!!" Its actually disturbing.

The problem in this case is this isn't a video of some meek guy being taunted, and defending himself with righteous fury... Its pretty much the opposite of that. It seems the bad guy won this round.



[edit on 19-2-2010 by Blender]

Im wandering if this old man wanted a fight why did he move up front? Why didnt he stay at the back and keep arguing? Their was no way in hell for this old man to know the guy would follow him up front. So i ask you this, if you are blaming this on the old man looking a fight why did he move?

I have seen my share of people looking fights, not once have i ever seen one remove themselves from a situation if they were looking for a fight.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by ker2010]

The only reason I can think of that he moved to the front of the bus was that they were approaching his stop. Its not like he went up to the front of the bus and stopped taunting black dude. The black guy walked up, said something, then was going back to his seat, and it was over, until Beard Man, sensing that it was over, yells out another taunt. "I see tough guys like you and smack the # out of them"

Beard man was trying to play innocent the whole time, he knew what he was doin...

Beard man sensed weakness of mind and body in black dude, and exploited it.

The only reason I say Beard Man is to blame for the fight is, it simply wouldn't have happened if it wasnt for him.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by Blender]

[edit on 19-2-2010 by Blender]

So you expected the old man to be the bigger man and shut up.

Couldnt the black guy have just as easily shut up?

Both guys had to get the last word in so how could either be blamed for this.

The only logical thing you can do is blame them both for not shutting up.

You can blame the old man for not shutting up, you can blame the black guy for also not shutting up. But you can only blame one of them for turning it physical.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by ker2010]

I am from a small rural town in Latvia. My question to all of you is, how on mother earth can you make me not to be racist? Why on mother earth I always have to shut up and pretend that I love every nation and people equally because they sorta are all the same. They aren`t the same. Walking streets of Switzerland and streets of [insert racism provoking town name here]are not the same. Why on mother earth do I have to walk the factories where they construct spaceships and telescopes and then walk the streets of graffitti driven(xxxx) and pretend that both of the folks are the same with the same rights for well-being and infrastructure. Why can`t I be free and say , and shout out to this world- you shall possess what you sweat for, and your nation shalldesrve what thy nation has worked for! My father and grandpa was sweating and elbowgreasing in Scania nad Sisu factories, I doubt, he would cheer me up being a an equal contributor to the economy if I was doing graffiti, rapping, or dribbling a ball.

Originally posted by 517.101
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Here's the latest for the blog spot

Watch the video and then watch this

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My open letter to the author of the above video:
While I can understand the need for your rebuttal and formal apology to all of those that have watched your film, I cannot help but feel the motivation behind your new video addressing the situation that occurred on the transit that day. However,
I fail to see how this somehow 'clears your name' as you say, as it is evident that you possess a film in which 2 crimes occurred, those being assault and theft.

Based on my observation of the video, it is evident that an assault was carried out by a caucasian male... wearing the light blue shirt. However wrong it may seem to you, I believe he was within his rights of self defense, and that could be contested in a court of law. However, in the video there is someone (whom you may or may not know)
that states something to the effect of "let's go through it" in regards to the older gentleman's bag, after he had exited the bus. That, could be considered theft at most.. and if nothing else it is wrong, morally and ethically wrong. You know it as well as I do. Clearly that is a violation of personal property. Is it not?

So, you state you don't know either if these men... but yet on tape you hear racial slurs, and several people inciting violence in a public place. Further still, there are
(what can be construed as racist comments) Once again escalating the situation.
I ask... were any of them you? Your friends? Or were you not part of any of it?

If you were as you say, just an innocent bystander... why the rebuttal?
Do you have a guilty conscience? Is there something more to the story than known?

If there is something you wish to say, you should do it now... if there is more to see that was not included in the original tape, that would lend credence to your story, you should make it public immediately. Until then, your apology will not do for me... and others aswell. You are the witness of at least one (if not two) crimes, and witholding evidence is a crime just the same. If you want to clear your name, do it now...
Right here on this board. I (and others) are waiting for it.


Thanks for your understanding, and I hope this message finds way to you in due time.

-

And on with the comedy!!

Balck Betty Amber lamps.


[edit on 19/2/2010 by Acidtastic]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

Deconstruction for the humor deficieent"Gramma"-a PUN on 'grammar'Get it?there were some concerns about the alleged unreadability of my words,which I do not get.
The high power rifle="bang-er" get it?I am wondering where the term "banger"came from by asking here.Thass all homie.

Edit to add It does seem to be about communication,language.I noticed the EBM wiping his mouth a couple of times and think that is a subconscious sign of his wanting to be clearly heard,which his words are.Clearly heard.The other,the 'Coloured gentleman' was speaking in a way that may pass for communication in his place of residence,but sounded to me like garbage profane laden Eubonical code.Understood by the insiders but designed to be unintelligable to the rest of us.(another conspiracy?Hmmm)When his words are transcribed,it won't be easy to decipher and translate into Americanized English what he was trying to say.The EBM may have even thought the cornrow feller was a different cornrow fellow that WAS a shoeshiner.From a foot above,maybe they(fat short permed whatever ya wanna call 'em's) all do look similar enough to be confused.Can't write Kanji.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by trueforger]

Originally posted by Marrr
A very sad imitation of Howard Stern's Beetlejuice against Jesse Ventura.
From what I could decipher, it sounded like the old man was perhaps instigating the fight. Get down and shine my shoes?

By no means am I condoning the younger man's actions. This video wasn't very long and we miss out on some interaction prior to the recording. The old man sure got off the bus in a hurry, so quick he left his bag behind.

The information I got from someone getting on the bus at the same time as the old man.. he walked past a shoeshinner, who asked if he could shine his shoes, the old man couldn't afford it so said no thanks & the big tough thug must of misconstrued this as "why is he asking a black man to shine his shoes".. lesson of the day is don't get involved if you dont know the whole story..

Oldbeardyman pwnage

young people should just know their place end of story,

that kid should have just stfu and got of the buss, funny thing is he even commits a crime at the end of the video after the beating has been gotten.,

poor sod,,

he was 67 he had a t shirt which said i coupulate with your mother on it , talk about freudian angst in that teenager...

Originally posted by Xtraeme


(^-- use scroll-bar)

Exactly, an excellent comparitive bruv, says it all really.

I don't see race though, i see aspirations to certain degenerate behaviours/mindets exhibited by some among all ethnographies in regards the public affray on the bus, etc.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by Boognish

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by Boognish

 

Is that really a t-shirt? Can you make one with cornrow's holding his jaw, to say "Old white dude said shut up but I thought he said stand up"?

No, I don't think that is a real t-shirt (yet). Neither is this one.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0937c533b150.jpg[/atsimg]

I want one of those. I'd pay up to $50.00 to have it.

There's a lot of T shirt makers where you send/email/upload to them a .BMP image and desired text to them and they will happily create any T shirt design you want.

Here's a Google search, other terms like "Custom T shirts" whatever would trawl up similar, add location to search parameters to get nearest company to where you are.

www.google.co.uk...

Alternatively, special printing film can be purchased to create your own iron on transfers from your home printer although they won't last as long as created by specialised companies with proprer inks and equipment to create custom T shirts, is cheaper though, monochrome or colour, whatever you want.

[Great easy to use *freeware* graphic editor to switch colour to mono,/greyscale etc, add text over/under image, change .jpeg to .bmp etc, ensure plugins installed also...
www.irfanview.com... ]

Peace.


[edit on 19-2-2010 by DeltaPan]

reply to post by Blender


Blender just shut the hell up trying to take the black guys side. He tried to show off and beat up a white guy while his friends made racist comments. He is clearly a total waster and a generally messed up person. The white guy moves away and tries to avoid the fight, he is 67 for gods sake. 67 year olds don't go looking for fights with middle aged men.

The white guy is an average old man, sober obviously. he moves to the front of the bus to avoid confrontation and the black guy walks up to him and tries to punch him. Thus he clarly started the fight. The old man then batters him in self defense. As the black guy totally deserved.

If you try to argue for the black guy not being the aggressor then you are just full of s**t and you are no better than the women who made the video, who egged the black guy on to beat up an old man, called him racist things and then stole from him. Then they had the cheek to say 'we can press charges if you want'.

Despicable behaviour.

This was purely a case of karma for that man. I hope he learns, and I hope there are not many people like that around, or like you, trying to justify it.

Wouldn't say EBG was obviously anything.But there are dress contrasts pretty striking here.EBG shorts,tucked in shirt,sox up,clean looking,not too special hair,gimme cap.Fanny pak,sunglasses.ED And THE BEARD!!

The shades are the common denominator here.A way to conceal eyes?City folk,got it.

Other fella(can we agree on a term for the brother here?Has he a name yet known?)Shirt open,out,plaid long sleeve,baggys droopys whatever they're called,pants.So one is dressed for cold weather,one warm.Or?Anyway,he got the doo and it looks at the end like he mighta broke a nail,maybe a wrist.

Hard to tell,As the fight caused the filming disturbance (cell phone?)and all the true bystanders segregated themselves off the bus and the crew stayed back to ,whatever,protect the man's belongings?!?To ensure safe return one hopes.I know camera girl would if she could right about now.

[edit on 19-2-2010 by trueforger]

reply to post by Bun-G

The old boy was wearing sneakers.
How reliable is your source?

Originally posted by Enrikez


lol

Try to be consistent. You can't say "My version and your version are irrelevant" ... "He probably said this or this probably happened is pointless" and then proceed with a sentence saying "I think this happened".



[edit on 18-2-2010 by Enrikez]

I was using it to COUNTER the points that the other poster brought up.

Try and keep up ok?

:shk:

Originally posted by Bun-G

Originally posted by Marrr
A very sad imitation of Howard Stern's Beetlejuice against Jesse Ventura.
From what I could decipher, it sounded like the old man was perhaps instigating the fight. Get down and shine my shoes?

By no means am I condoning the younger man's actions. This video wasn't very long and we miss out on some interaction prior to the recording. The old man sure got off the bus in a hurry, so quick he left his bag behind.

The information I got from someone getting on the bus at the same time as the old man.. he walked past a shoeshinner, who asked if he could shine his shoes, the old man couldn't afford it so said no thanks & the big tough thug must of misconstrued this as "why is he asking a black man to shine his shoes".. lesson of the day is don't get involved if you dont know the whole story..

Oldbeardyman pwnage

Precisely. We are brought into the story at an opportune time for the black side of the story, but anyone with half a wit can see there was a conversation prior to the beginning of what we see and hear. EBM was perplexed at the line of questioning from cornrow; he said "why are you being so hostile man?"