67 year old man beats the hell out of thug on bus

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by danj3ris
I don't know about anyone else here who all seemed to have jumped on the bandwagon of praising Epic Beard Man for teaching a young punk what's what, but I would LOVE to know what words were exchanged between the two parties involved BEFORE the scope of the video.

Working from end to beginning, I see an older gentleman defending himself after the younger gentleman attacked him physically. Before this, the older gentleman removed himself from the situation. Before that, some words were spoken between the two parties.

The problem is that we are only privy to 90% of the scenario. I want to know the two or three sentences that came before the onset of filming. Because did anyone notice right at the onset of the video:

Young man: *garbled words*
Old man: "No let's get back to this. Stop. How much you charge for a spitshine?"
Young man: "What?"
Old man: "How much you charge for my Stacy Adams? I'm going to a funeral on Friday."
Young man: "D' you hear what I said just now?"
Old man: "Yes"
Young man: "Why do a brother gotta spit shine your shoes?"
Old man: "You offered!"
Young man: "I didn't offer you #."
Old man: "What did you say when you walked by me?" or "Wha'd you just say when you walked by me?"
Young man: "I said why a #in' brother gotta spit shine your shoes?"
Old man: "You don't have to."
Young man: "Why can't a white man spit shine your shoes?"
Old man: "It could be a china-man, it don't matter."
Young man: "Look dude."
Old man: "I ain't prejudiced, what you think I'm prejudiced?"
Young man: "Look, take your ass back up there and get the # outta my face right now."
Old man: "Why you be'in so hostile?"
Young man: "'Cause I'm pissed off."

Looks to me like there was talk of spit-shining his Stacy Adams shoes even before the video started rolling, as evidenced by the old man's words: "No let's get back to this. Stop." right at the onset of the video. Also the young man was actually the first to let it be known that there was a problem brewing and he didn't want to be a part of it by saying: "Look, take your ass back up there and get the # outta my face right now."

It was after both of them couldn't shut up as the older man was leaving that things got out of hand. Did young man get what he deserved? Yes. But with remarks like "China-man" coming from the lips of this older man, it become's immediately apparent that you're talking to someone who was raised in a time when people were viewed and treated differently. It's acceptable for a china-man to be spit-shining shoes in the old man's view. It's acceptable to refer to them as "china-man". Young man saw this and didn't want to deal with it anymore. So he requested with harsh words that the old man leave.

Would you call someone a "China-man" today? It may not be considered overtly racist, but is it part of today's mainstream vocabulary? Think about it.

Again, I want to see the clips from the "cutting room floor" so to speak. I feel like we could learn more from this situation.

It really doesn't matter what the old man said before or after. Words are not physically destructive. I don't care what names he used, or if he used a whole slew of racial superlatives. He did not physically attack the other passenger first. Period. In this world, the law is as such: If someone attacks you physically, you have the right to defend yourself. I am personally part black and have heard racism come at me from both angles...white and black. It really means nothing until the split second that someone is attempting physical harm against you. The Black guy attacked first, therefore, he got his a$$ handed to him by the white guy. And keep in mind, this happened while the black guy was being encouraged by the woman with the camera who STOLE the white guy's bag. END OF STORY.

PRECISELY!!!

reply to post by EndOfTheWorld7

Young as in immature.
No foo like a tofu,I mean no fool like an old fool
Empire,adios!!


[edit on 18-2-2010 by trueforger]

Originally posted by SmokeJaguar67
I rarely watch videos like this because I leaves me with a bitter taste in my mouth that grown men think that acting like this will gain them kudos, respect and a sense of personal power when really all it does is show them up as flotsam easily controlled by the whims and words of others.

Pathetic words and actions from these two wing nuts fed the show and so did the “audience” and is a symptom of what is very wrong with this so called human civilisation.

They were both idiots for thinking that it is cool to act like trash in a public place. I am of the mindset that violence is a very last resort and is something to fall back on when there is a real danger to health and life but these pair of fools took it upon themselves to pander to their respective male egos and let their environment take control of their actions because they felt insulted somehow?

I could not pick up on the whole conversation because the accents are difficult for me to understand but what I did manage to pick out was that these men are far too used to letting their rectums do the talking for them hence the escalation from words to blood leakage – nuff said really.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR PATHETIC SMOKING JAG***!! and you are obviously a wimp who would let a punk like that hit you and do nothing about it, and that is exactely why this # goes on so much in society today! not enough real men like that old nam vet Marine out there who stand up for themselves like a man should, unlike a guttless wimp like yourself who sits behind a moniter talking # on an old man vietnam vet who was clearly the victim! And an example of manhood you know you never could be and thats why turds like you always talk crap, but i bet you would not say it to that old dudes face would you?

Semper Fi old devildog! If i was on that bus you would have your bag and i would have probably punched that nasty skank out while i was at it for ya!

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
It really doesn't matter what the old man said before or after. Words are not physically destructive. I don't care what names he used, or if he used a whole slew of racial superlatives. He did not physically attack the other passenger first. Period. In this world, the law is as such: If someone attacks you physically, you have the right to defend yourself. I am personally part black and have heard racism come at me from both angles...white and black. It really means nothing until the split second that someone is attempting physical harm against you. The Black guy attacked first, therefore, he got his a$$ handed to him by the white guy. And keep in mind, this happened while the black guy was being encouraged by the woman with the camera who STOLE the white guy's bag while screaming out racial slurs. END OF STORY.

If you back the behavior of the black guy, then I have serious questions about your ethics.

I'm in full agreement with everything you typed EvolvedMinistry, that is until your last sentence.

The ONLY part of the black guy's behaviour that I would even consider backing, is when he said "get the # outta my face" and put his shades back on. He was getting angry and didn't want things to get worse. He was doing the right thing, until he lost his cool.

It seems you missed my sentence:

Originally posted by danj3ris
It was after both of them couldn't shut up as the older man was leaving that things got out of hand. Did young man get what he deserved? Yes.

There's no doubt in my mind that the black man struck first. But I understand why someone would get pissed off in that conversation. I also understand what it is to "lose your cool". If anyone backed the black guy's behavior, I'd question their ethics as well. However, although it will definitely not change the fact that the older man was defending himself from an attack, I'm still interested in the missing pieces of the conversation. As I said, we could learn something from it.


[edit on 18-2-2010 by danj3ris]

reply to post by ker2010

I dont care what other people are saying.

Listen, you were the one who said “I really dont see how you are bringing this up as a issue.”, so I’m letting you know that in order to understand you need to read what was previously typed. Now let me address something you said as it sheds even more light on the subject as well as your mentality.

They are idiots to bring race into it. Im just judging by the video. Had it been a white wanna be thug guy id laugh just as hard. My stance wouldnt falter.

Now let us take a look at one of your previous comments:

Yes the black dude is a out of shape drunk 40-50 year

Mind telling us how you came to that assessment? Here it is you label the guy a drunk without any logical explanation but it gets even better. What’s this “white wanna be thug” drivel? Are you implying that whites are only wanna be thugs? Are you implying this guy was a wanna be thug or thug? Based on your assessment that he is a drunk, one can only imagine, but back to the white wanna be thug comment. If this were a thread where a Nazi Lowrider or member of the Aryan Brotherhood got his block knocked off, I guarantee this thread would not be as long and many of the comments you see would never be uttered. Moreover, if it were two black men, you would see all types of, “this is their culture”, “they belong in a zoo” type of comments. How do I know? It’s happened before, and the “this is their culture” madness was heavily implied in this thread.

Now to all those other people saying N**** got what he deserved thats their ignorance.

How do we explain your ignorance?

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by trueforger

 

Because that was the sound of his education? I'm not one to bleed over what people type but is English your first language? Moreover, how does your hairstyle make you a gang banger?

Since you're having some difficulty distinguishing between gang-bangers and the speciation difference of worthwhile human-beings I made this helpful diagram:



(^-- use scroll-bar)

[edit on 19-2-2010 by Xtraeme]

Originally posted by danj3ris

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
It really doesn't matter what the old man said before or after. Words are not physically destructive. I don't care what names he used, or if he used a whole slew of racial superlatives. He did not physically attack the other passenger first. Period. In this world, the law is as such: If someone attacks you physically, you have the right to defend yourself. I am personally part black and have heard racism come at me from both angles...white and black. It really means nothing until the split second that someone is attempting physical harm against you. The Black guy attacked first, therefore, he got his a$$ handed to him by the white guy. And keep in mind, this happened while the black guy was being encouraged by the woman with the camera who STOLE the white guy's bag while screaming out racial slurs. END OF STORY.

If you back the behavior of the black guy, then I have serious questions about your ethics.

I'm in full agreement with everything you typed EvolvedMinistry, that is until your last sentence.

The ONLY part of the black guy's behaviour that I would even consider backing, is when he said "get the # outta my face" and put his shades back on. He was getting angry and didn't want things to get worse. He was doing the right thing, until he lost his cool.

It seems you missed my sentence:

Originally posted by danj3ris
It was after both of them couldn't shut up as the older man was leaving that things got out of hand. Did young man get what he deserved? Yes.

There's no doubt in my mind that the black man struck first. But I understand why someone would get pissed off in that conversation. I also understand what it is to "lose your cool". If anyone backed the black guy's behavior, I'd question their ethics as well. However, although it will definitely not change the fact that the older man was defending himself from an attack, I'm still interested in the missing pieces of the conversation. As I said, we could learn something from it.


[edit on 18-2-2010 by danj3ris]

Okay fine. Then we're in agreement.

Originally posted by Boognish

Originally posted by Bombeni
reply to post by Boognish

 

Is that really a t-shirt? Can you make one with cornrow's holding his jaw, to say "Old white dude said shut up but I thought he said stand up"?

No, I don't think that is a real t-shirt (yet). Neither is this one.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0937c533b150.jpg[/atsimg]

I want one of those. I'd pay up to $50.00 to have it.

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by EMPIRE

 

You don't like my gramma?She's dead.So what is the real ''bang'' part,then?Is it the crazy shooting high powered rifles in the city?Or some other fight related term?Banging heads?Or is it about rape,'banging'?I can guess it's not the banging of hard work,like in 'my movie'eh?With that out of shape body and perm,probably a manicure too.Before he got whupped.

What??? I could have read Japanese Kanji easier than I could have read this. All I see are lots of words, almost meant to be English, juxtaposed in an incoherent rant of ebonics.

Well folks, this post is an example of what cutbacks in Education costs us.

Originally posted by blupblup

we don't KNOW..... so my version and your version are irrelevant

We don't know... so just saying "He probably said this" or "This probably happened" is pointless.


I think it's likely that EBM said something to him

lol

Try to be consistent. You can't say "My version and your version are irrelevant" ... "He probably said this or this probably happened is pointless" and then proceed with a sentence saying "I think this happened".



[edit on 18-2-2010 by Enrikez]

reply to post by EMPIRE


Jesus you are getting way to technical on a simple right/wrong matter. I see a man hit a older man. I see a man defend himself. I dont care if because he is a black guy the thread is bigger or people are making racist statements thats on them.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE the guy got what he deserved. Not for being younger, or black, or whatever. He assaulted someone and they fought back.

Fairly simple if you ask me.

Originally posted by Enrikez

Originally posted by blupblup

we don't KNOW..... so my version and your version are irrelevant

We don't know... so just saying "He probably said this" or "This probably happened" is pointless.


I think it's likely that EBM said something to him

lol

Try to be consistent. You can't say "My version and your version are irrelevant" ... "He probably said this or this probably happened is pointless" and then proceed with a sentence saying "I think this happened".



[edit on 18-2-2010 by Enrikez]

Well yes...you have a point for sure and I understand it because its logical. However, despite the fact that you told him that he couldn't do that, he just did.

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by EMPIRE

 

Jesus you are getting way to technical on a simple right/wrong matter. I see a man hit a older man. I see a man defend himself. I dont care if because he is a black guy the thread is bigger or people are making racist statements thats on them.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE the guy got what he deserved. Not for being younger, or black, or whatever. He assaulted someone and they fought back.

Fairly simple if you ask me.

I thought so too, but somehow, there's still a debate on it. Weird isn't it?

reply to post by Xtraeme


I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying I can hardly type!!! or breath!

Did you make that graphic? It's priceless... Amba-lance and the M&M - that's awesome! Thank you so much of rmaking my day!

reply to post by kozmo


I try to do my part.

I have to say putting it together while listening to this made it even funnier,



[edit on 18-2-2010 by Xtraeme]

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by Lazyninja
The beginning of the video didn't catch this, but it seems like the whole thing was started by the old white guy who wanted the black guy to shine his shoes for him. You can't really blame the young guy for being pissed off if that is the case.

Sorry but.................................

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4ea38d1ac1c1.jpg[/atsimg]

Try viewing the video before attempting to be smart. The video is the source if you got a working pair of ears. The white guy is asking for the black guy to shine his shoes.


-_-

The worst part is that 5 other deaf idiots starred your post.


[edit on 18-2-2010 by Lazyninja]

reply to post by ker2010

Jesus you are getting way to technical on a simple right/wrong matter.

No, I’m not getting technical enough, that may be the problem. What I’m simply doing is asking questions derived from your own words. Is it so hard to answer them?

I see a man hit a older man. I see a man defend himself. I dont care if because he is a black guy the thread is bigger or people are making racist statements thats on them.

What you see is two men in their older years acting like complete idiots. In regards to one hitting the other, legally, depending on what happened before the cameras started rolling, the older guy may be charged with two crimes (refer to my previous listings of the penal code and google them if you like.)

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE the guy got what he deserved. Not for being younger, or black, or whatever. He assaulted someone and they fought back. Fairly simple if you ask me.

What does that have to do with your previous statements or allegations? Again, you said the guy was a drunk, do you have any proof he is a drunk? We have proof the older white guy has let alcohol get the best of him. He was drinking at an A’s game, sitting in the wrong area, became belligerent, did not comply and got his ass tasered. So we’ve established he may have a history with alcohol, how about you backing up your claims? You won’t.

In the future, you should probably do exactly what the black guy failed to do, which is think before you speak/act because you’ll only end up looking like a bloody fool.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Well yes...you have a point for sure and I understand it because its logical. However, despite the fact that you told him that he couldn't do that, he just did.

You are right. I should have added that "You can't say [blah blah blah] and then say [blah blah blah] unless you want to undermine your argument and destroy your credibility"

lesson learned.

Originally posted by Enrikez

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Well yes...you have a point for sure and I understand it because its logical. However, despite the fact that you told him that he couldn't do that, he just did.

You are right. I should have added that "You can't say [blah blah blah] and then say [blah blah blah] unless you want to undermine your argument and destroy your credibility"

lesson learned.

That was awesome. Star from me.