67 year old man beats the hell out of thug on bus

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by ker2010

 

No, I’m not getting technical enough, that may be the problem. What I’m simply doing is asking questions derived from your own words. Is it so hard to answer them?

The black guy may not be a drunk i was quoting someone else. But he was acting thuggish trying to portray himself in that light. Now if your to blind to see that i suggest a eye exam.

What you see is two men in their older years acting like complete idiots. In regards to one hitting the other, legally, depending on what happened before the cameras started rolling, the older guy may be charged with two crimes (refer to my previous listings of the penal code and google them if you like.)

We dont know what happened before cameras started rolling so that point is mute as hell. We werent there so no way we could possibly tell. From the video evidence alone the old man was justified. He didnt go overboard and try to kill the man. He just broke his nose it coulda been much worse. He coudla kicked him in the face. The man moved up front the black guy followed he instigated it. I dont care to google, the white guy would not be found guilty of any wrong doing from that video

What does that have to do with your previous statements or allegations? Again, you said the guy was a drunk, do you have any proof he is a drunk? We have proof the older white guy has let alcohol get the best of him. He was drinking at an A’s game, sitting in the wrong area, became belligerent, did not comply and got his ass tasered. So we’ve established he may have a history with alcohol, how about you backing up your claims? You won’t.

In the future, you should probably do exactly what the black guy failed to do, which is think before you speak/act because you’ll only end up looking like a bloody fool.

Noone still knows whose side you are on. Your saying they are both wrong. So i guess i can smack you and expect you not to swing back at me? Dont be a hypocrite either the old man was allowed to attack or he wasnt. Decide which side you are taking and stop making the thread out more to be than what it is then maybe you wont look so foolish.

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No, I’m not getting technical enough, that may be the problem. What I’m simply doing is asking questions derived from your own words. Is it so hard to answer them?



Here you go

www.youtube.com...

The girl who filmed it said the black guy appeared drunk,

Now who looks foolish?

reply to post by ker2010

The black guy may not be a drunk i was quoting someone else. But he was acting thuggish trying to portray himself in that light. Now if your to blind to see that i suggest a eye exam.

You were quoting someone else? I’m so glad we have the quote feature. Here are your original words:

Blender. Yes the black dude is a out of shape drunk 40-50 year old more than likely.

So all you’re doing is quoting huh? In regards to him trying to portray himself as a thug, no. A thug would have probably hauled off and attacked him and would have never tried to diffuse the situation which this man did. He went about it the wrong way, but he is in no way a thug or even wanna be thug, and the gang banger label is highly inappropriate.

We dont know what happened before cameras started rolling so that point is mute as hell.

No, it isn’t mute and thanks for showing me yet again how you truly believe and feel. What happened prior to the video would be necessary to prove once and for all, what happened and who is at fault. I listed the appropriate penal codes and they hinge on what happened before the film started rolling. You, like many others, are simply taking the footage for face value and assigning blame, while the more rational members are saying we need to see the rest of the video.

We werent there so no way we could possibly tell. From the video evidence alone the old man was justified. He didnt go overboard and try to kill the man. He just broke his nose it coulda been much worse. He coudla kicked him in the face. The man moved up front the black guy followed he instigated it. I dont care to google, the white guy would not be found guilty of any wrong doing from that video

Again, based on the penal codes provided, the white guy could be found guilty of a crime. You don’t know anything about our penal system, so of course you would say that based on the video he would not be found guilty.

Noone still knows whose side you are on.

The more you type the more ignorant you come off. Why do I have to be on anyone’s side?

Your saying they are both wrong.

For acting a fool on public transportation? Too men past their prime acting a fool on public transportation? Yes, they are bpth wrong as they both should have diffused the situation and let it die down.

So i guess i can smack you and expect you not to swing back at me?

You probably could. You’d probably end up worse than the guy in the video. The point, however, is both of them should have ceased acting like idiots before the fight actually occurred.

Dont be a hypocrite either the old man was allowed to attack or he wasn’t

Based on the video it can actually go either way. The old man could actually have been at fault. The black guy could have been at fault. Should the older man be allowed to defend himself, again, we have to look at the law and see if he was justified, and in order to do that, we need to see the rest of the footage. If the previous footage ever turned up, and it was found that the old man was in violation of violating the codes I previously listed, he could be hit with a “wobbler” and charged with other crimes. Much of the same can be said for the black guy.

Decide which side you are taking and stop making the thread out more to be than what it is then maybe you wont look so foolish.

Listen, I know you may have some trouble with basic comprehension, your posts allude to this, but there is no reason to “take a side.” You sound like a child, and lack the mental capacity to critically examine and withhold opinions/judgements until more facts arise.

Sorry, but I’m not biting.

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Did I ever say the guy wasn't drunk? No, I asked how you guys came to the assessment that he was drunk. Do you understand the difference?

ETA: And she also says the white guy appeared to be on drugs. Keep that in mind.

ETA 2: Based on her statement, the white guy should be charged with several crimes. Refer to my previous posts pertaining to the penal code.



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415. Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

Given the racial overtones/connotations with blacks shining a white mans shoes, and coupled with his use of the "chinaman", he should be hit with a wobbler, and thats based on her statement and the video.

Originally posted by EMPIRE
415. Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

Given the racial overtones/connotations with blacks shining a white mans shoes, and coupled with his use of the "chinaman", he should be hit with a wobbler, and thats based on her statement and the video.

It seems there was obviously a miscommunication between the two at some point. They both look like they do not understand the other and why the other is saying what they said. We would need to see the FULL video before we could confirm the claim that the older guy was making "racist" comments.

Unfortunately for the younger guy, according to the video he is guilty of all (1)+(2)+(3), whereas the older guy is maybe guilty of number (3).

Let's put colour of skin aside for a moment and recognise that while both antagonised the other at different stages, the older guy tried to move away to diffuse the situation and was confronted twice by the other guy afterwards. In addition, the younger guy was the first person to make physical contact with the older man, so the older man was within his rights to protect himself from danger.

[edit on 18/2/2010 by Dark Ghost]

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by EMPIRE
415. Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.

Given the racial overtones/connotations with blacks shining a white mans shoes, and coupled with his use of the "chinaman", he should be hit with a wobbler, and thats based on her statement and the video.

It seems there was obviously a miscommunication between the two at some point. They both look like they do not understand the other and why the other is saying what they said. We would need to see the FULL video before we could confirm the claim that the older guy was making "racist" comments.

Unfortunately for the younger guy, according to the video he is guilty of all (1)+(2)+(3), whereas the older guy is maybe guilty of number (3).

Let's put colour of skin aside for a moment and recognise that while both antagonised the other at different stages, the older guy tried to move away to diffuse the situation and was confronted twice by the other guy afterwards. In addition, the younger guy was the first person to make physical contact with the older man, so the older man was within his rights to protect himself from danger.

[edit on 18/2/2010 by Dark Ghost]

AMEN you said it..

EMPIRE
You probably could. You’d probably end up worse than the guy in the video. The point, however, is both of them should have ceased acting like idiots before the fight actually occurred.

Empire me end up worse? I bounced a few years back im 6ft 240 my highest bench was 390 lbs and ive made at least 5 people leak like the black guy in the parking lot in front of the bar on different occasions. Yep they started it and i defended myself. Not to mention i got a good ground game in mma. How many people have you made bleed during fights??? Not bragging just a simple point you dont know me. Keep thinking everyone who posts on internet forums are 140 lb nerds who have never been in altercations.

See its people like you and that black guy who say you can whip someone and dont know anything of their background. And those who toot loudest often hit softest.


Im no badass but i know ive been in more fights than the average guy. So dont go there.

Plus what the guy did wasnt to impressive. The black guy threw a woman like punch, didnt put his hands up and cover his face. He left his chin and everything else exposed and didnt get in any type of fighting stance. Once on the ground hes lucky the guy didnt kick him in his face and head a few times causing a broken face and requiring reconstructive surgery.
Anybody who could half fight would have beat that guy down.



The point is gramps walked away from the situation. The black guy followed him that was his 1st mistake. His second mistake was hitting him.
Where they both wrong? Yes. But the one who got beat was MORE wrong.

Just like if two guys are sitting beside each other at a bar drinking and they start getting mouthy to each other. One of the guys decides to get up and move across to the other side of the bar. That guy follows him and hits him.


And if that had occured at the bar i was working at the black guy would have been the one arrested and kicked out of the building. Not because of his skin color but because he turned it PHYSICAL!!!!!!











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That guy is way lucky. If it was me I would have walked back on the bus as soon as he started with the I am going to come back and kill you #. I would have gotten back on the bus and beat him to a coma. Great job old man, just wish you would have beaten him a little more for running his mouth.

This is the infamous video that has caused multiple meme's on 4chan.. hahaha it's amazingly funny

Chalk one up to the OAP's lol

"Gangsta" just got owned.

Good on the older man for not living on his knees as everyone else seems to do today.

Such a shame though that a simple video has caused yet another argument with some lack of manners in the thread.

reply to post by Dark Ghost

It seems there was obviously a miscommunication between the two at some point. They both look like they do not understand the other and why the other is saying what they said. We would need to see the FULL video before we could confirm the claim that the older guy was making "racist" comments.

Another member posted the interview with the woman who filmed the incident. The member posted it because she said the black guy appeared drunk. She also said the white guy appeared drunk and said drugs could have been involved. So if the person who posted the vid cited her statement as evidence that the black guy was drunk, I’m citing her claim that the white guy started the whole ordeal. You cannot have it both ways.

Unfortunately for the younger guy, according to the video he is guilty of all (1)+(2)+(3), whereas the older guy is maybe guilty of number (3).

Actually, according to the video they are both guilty and if the older guy said, “You ain’t scared of this white boy” and he said it before the black guy said he would stick his foot up his A**, one can make a compelling argument that those words are a challenge.

Let's put colour of skin aside for a moment and recognise that while both antagonised the other at different stages, the older guy tried to move away to diffuse the situation and was confronted twice by the other guy afterwards.

No, he didn’t try to diffuse the situation because he kept talking and they both antagonized each other after he moved to the front.

In addition, the younger guy was the first person to make physical contact with the older man, so the older man was within his rights to protect himself from danger.

Actually, if you refer to the previous post I made with the penal code, and you did some reading about that penal code (and another one I listed) it isn’t as simple as the first one throwing the punch and the right to protect himself. What caused the altercation? If we know what caused the altercation, we know just about who is to blame, and based on the statement given by the person who filmed it, the statement that another member of the board posted, the white guy did start this entire ordeal.

Dark Ghost- There was no miscommunication. The only one that didn't know what was going on was the black drunk. Beard man knew fully well what he was saying, and why he was saying it. It was simply to provoke this sloppy drunk into swinging at him, so he could do what he did.

Beard man is just a random crazed Vietnam vet. People are glorifying it making it seem like a frail old man stood up to some 20 year old gang banger.

This is just a case of a wiley, troublesome old man causing trouble, because thats what he likes to do...

[edit on 18-2-2010 by Blender]

Originally posted by EMPIRE

Actually, according to the video they are both guilty and if the older guy said, “You ain’t scared of this white boy” and he said it before the black guy said he would stick his foot up his A**, one can make a compelling argument that those words are a challenge.

BUZZZ wrong again

EBM: ‘cause you ain’t scared, you ain’t scaring this white boy. I'm 67 years old.
Tyrone: I'm 50!
EBM: You ain’t scaring me! You ain’t scaring me! You ain’t scaring me!

He said you aint scaring this white boy meaning the black guy wasnt gonna get in his face and intimidate him!!!

The old guy might be a jerk and he may have tried to bait the black guy into a fight but he didnt turn it physical!!!

Furthermore your not able to comprehend the difference between words and physical altercation. 99% of the people in this thread think the white guy was within his rights. And search on youtube there are a handful of African Americans who thought he was right!!!!

LOOK EVEN A HIPHOP SITE editor is saying the white man was right

www.allhiphop.com...

But i guess we are all dummies and your the intelligent one.

ONCE AGAIN,, Even if the old guy was baiting him the black guy was still the one to turn it physical and therefore was in the wrong.



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reply to post by ker2010

Empire me end up worse? I bounced a few years back im 6ft 240 my highest bench was 390 lbs and ive made at least 5 people leak like the black guy in the parking lot in front of the bar on different occasions.

So? I’m supposed to be shaking in my boots by your claims? Did you not say, “So i guess i can smack you and expect you not to swing back at me?”??????? Those are your words correct? What did I say? You probably could. You’d probably end up worse than the guy in the video. What do you expect me to do? Run in a corner and hide? Again, you probably could and you probably would end up like the guy in the video. I’m simply answering your question and giving you two possible outcomes. You shouldn’t be insulted by that, why do you feel insulted?

Yep they started it and i defended myself. Not to mention i got a good ground game in mma. How many people have you made bleed during fights??? Not bragging just a simple point you dont know me. Keep thinking everyone who posts on internet forums are 140 lb nerds who have never been in altercations.

Who cares? Do you think you’re the only person who has been in a fight? Have I made someone bleed? LMAO! That has to be one of the most ignorant statements ever posted on this site. Friend, you sound just like the black guy in the vid. No one cares about your training, size, background, etc, at least I don’t. Again, you posed the question of you attacking ME and I gave you two possible outcomes which included the word probably.

Accept the truth and move on.

See its people like you and that black guy who say you can whip someone and dont know anything of their background. And those who toot loudest often hit softest.

No, slow it down a bit cowboy. Who said this, “So i guess i can smack you and expect you not to swing back at me?” Again, either you possibly could or you could possibly end up like the guy in the vid.

Im no badass but i know ive been in more fights than the average guy. So dont go there.

Of course you’re no bad ass which is why you ramble on about being a bouncer, making people bleed, etc. You asked a question, I gave you two possible scenarios. In the future, if you don’t want answers like the ones you were given, don’t ask questions that end up getting you riled up. Just like I don’t know who is sitting behind the other screen, neither do you.

Plus what the guy did wasnt to impressive. The black guy threw a woman like punch, didnt put his hands up and cover his face.

One of the first comments I made in this thread is that the black guy threw a very weak punch. Nothing was from the shoulders, no hip action, no snap, nothing.

[quote[He left his chin and everything else exposed and didnt get in any type of fighting stance. Once on the ground hes lucky the guy didnt kick him in his face and head a few times causing a broken face and requiring reconstructive surgery. Anybody who could half fight would have beat that guy down.

The guy was holding on to the poll for crying out loud. Instead of getting up or guarding he held on and got pummeled. I agree, anyone could have beaten him up, he couldn’t even take a punch, but the fact is many people in this thread aren’t happy because the old guy defended himself. Many people are happy because it was a white man beating up a black man, and don’t be fooled otherwise.

The point is gramps walked away from the situation. The black guy followed him that was his 1st mistake. His second mistake was hitting him.
Where they both wrong? Yes. But the one who got beat was MORE wrong.

I’m going to tell you how I was raised. If someone tells you they don’t want to fight, or they walk away, you leave it alone. I’ve seen it many times in my life. Tough guy wants to fight, or one person says “say it again” and the other person says I don’t want to fight and either walks away only to end up having to stomp two mudholes in the guy (or girl) itching for a fight.

The problem with this is the guy walked away and kept talking.

Just like if two guys are sitting beside each other at a bar drinking and they start getting mouthy to each other. One of the guys decides to get up and move across to the other side of the bar. That guy follows him and hits him.

See above.

And if that had occured at the bar i was working at the black guy would have been the one arrested and kicked out of the building. Not because of his skin color but because he turned it PHYSICAL!!!!!!

I don’t know what bar you work at, or did work at, but in California, especially the Bay Area, things would be up in the air (just as they are now.)


[edit on 18-2-2010 by EMPIRE]

Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by ker2010

 

What do you expect me to do? Run in a corner and hide?.

Nope i wouldnt wanna have to chase ya, being not scared doesnt mean ya wont take a azz kickin.

I’m going to tell you how I was raised. If someone tells you they don’t want to fight, or they walk away, you leave it alone. I’ve seen it many times in my life. Tough guy wants to fight, or one person says “say it again” and the other person says I don’t want to fight and either walks away only to end up having to stomp two mudholes in the guy (or girl) itching for a fight.
The problem with this is the guy walked away and kept talking.

Thats just it he kept TALKING!! The black guy kept talking crap and so did the white guy. The black guy turned it physical.. I give up you have got to be trolling cause a 5 y/o could comprehend what everyone is trying to say. I wont feed you any longer.

Im gonna tell you how i was raised. Let someone talk all the crap they want until they put their hands on you. You may talk crap back as long as they give it you can dish it. But dont touch them unless touched.

And if people here are happy a white man beat a black man they are idiots.

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EDITED because you edited your post.

Nope i wouldnt wanna have to chase ya, being not scared doesnt mean ya wont take a azz kickin.

No, it means one helluva fight. Two people not scared of each other going at it?

Thats just it he kept TALKING!! The black guy kept talking crap and so did the white guy. The black guy turned it physical.. I give up you have got to be trolling cause a 5 y/o could comprehend what everyone is trying to say. I wont feed you any longer.

Listen, I’m looking at it from two perspectives. From a street perspective, especially being from the Bay Area, the black guy turned it physical. However, also being from the bay, and knowing how people in the bay act, again, from the street perspective the white guy had an a** kicking coming. The problem is the black guy failed to deliver. Now from a legal perspective, one which I’m within my right to view it from (since I went to school and majored in law enforcement and corrections) things are up in the air and we have to go back to what started the altercation. The black guy could have thrown the first punch, but legally, the white guy may have caused the black guy to throw the punch and could be hit with a wobbler. Do you see the difference now?

Im gonna tell you how i was raised. Let someone talk all the crap they want until they put their hands on you. You may talk crap back as long as they give it you can dish it. But dont touch them unless touched.

I see no problem with this.

And if people here are happy a white man beat a black man they are idiots.

They are.


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Ok Mr know the law... I go into a store me and this guy bump into each other by mistake. He calls me a SOB, I call him one back. He calls me a SOB again, i call him one back. HE then says my moms is a @#$%$ so i haul off and knock his teeth out.

Who gets charged?. NOW according to you we both do cause he said the first thing and got me riled up. So when the cops get there and this guy is bleeding like a stuck pig with his teeth on the floor and the witnesses said i hit him first they are gonna lock him up too right? So we both get locked up...

Im playing the role of the old man. Now how about if that black guy beat up the old man?? would the old man still get in trouble because he said some bad things?

YEAH RIGHT!

Am I the only one who is wondering why this has gotten so much attention, this crap happens all the time. What's the deal? is it a race thing?

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Am I the only one who is wondering why this has gotten so much attention, this crap happens all the time. What's the deal? is it a race thing?

I THINK IT MAINLY HAS TO DO WITH A MAN APPROACHING 70 BEATING UP SOMEONE 17 YEARS YOUNGER THAN HIM. I THINK THAT IT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS MUCH ATTENTION EVEN IF IT WAS A WHITE GUY.

YOU JUST DONT SEE OLD MEN THROWING BLOWS LIKE THAT EVERYDAY.

oops sorry for caps

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