Looking for people who have been to the grey room

Originally posted by burdenofdreams
Also, this may seem like an odd question, but I'd like to know if the OP or her mother had any pets AT THE TIME (1994), what kind, and were they in the house when this happened, as far as you can recall? Thanks!

Nice to hear from you, Burdenofdreams! You're right. The NZ thing shocked me. When I saw that thread, it resonated with me because the map was completely wrong. I was surprised that I hadn't noticed it earlier. I'd been a silent reader of ATS for about a year or so. When I read that thread, I realized I needed to sign up and tell my own story. It was time. It also felt safer to do it. Perhaps "safe" had to do with the NZ/different map thing, I don't know. I just know that it was suddenly okay to talk about this a little more "publicly."

Your "dream" sounds terrifying. It's fortunate (quite the understatement!) that person told you to wake up. I would have locked myself in as well.

In my case, this was a physical thing that happened to me. I packed. I sat and waited. I knew someone was outside. I walked to the door. I held the door open.

Even with all of those physical things, I would have dismissed the entire thing as some crazy event except that as soon as we got back to our livingroom, NotThat started talking about it, too. I sincerely think we would have dismissed it or forgotten the whole thing because I know I was a bit dazed/in shock to find myself on the couch and things felt hazy. I was confused and surprised to be there. Talking about what happened forced the events to stay in my mind instead of getting forgotten or dismissed.

As for pets, we didn't have any at that time. It would have been interesting to see how they reacted.

I have had feelings of impending doom for quite some time. Recently, though, I just feel an immense sense of calm. Utter calm. I'm not sure what this change means. I just know I've been feeling it. This sense that it is important to appreciate every minute and pay attention to it before it all changes, so that I remember "before."

I wonder if anyone else is feeling this?

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how do i get to the grey room or get invited i need to see this

Waiting2,have you read any of the material posted on the "Karla Turner Memorial"site,I found MANY relevant statements by multiple abductees,lots are related to this topic here,you will identify with many I am sure,I did.

There is also mention of a focused,intentional "mass",as discussed earlier.

I found the material quite interesting.

Originally posted by one4all
Waiting2,have you read any of the material posted on the "Karla Turner Memorial"site,I found MANY relevant statements by multiple abductees,lots are related to this topic here,you will identify with many I am sure,I did.

There is also mention of a focused,intentional "mass",as discussed earlier.

I found the material quite interesting.

Wow.

I just read the introduction and it echos things I've said and I've never even heard of this woman or read this before. Wow.

THANK YOU for showing me this. I'll have to read more this weekend when I have time. THANK YOU!!!

Do you know where you read the information about the intentional "mass"? I'd like to find it so I can see how it relates to our own experiences.

Again, thank you!!!! This is definitely worth a read!

Waiting2,in the book Taken that is the first one listed,please also read the article"Is someone killing our ufo researchers"I do not want to fearmonger but this article struck me as being a testament to anyones motivation to choose to persue this issue as many of us have.Follow your heart,not whimsical curiosity and consider your family.

One4all.



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Waiting2,as morbid as this may sound,if you use the list of dead investigators as a guide you will find ALL OF THE THINGS you seek,as I have,you will also be able to delineate between the real information and the fallacys,or at least narrow down the search markedly.

If you crossreference with ATS posters it is easy to see who is on track and who isnt.Problem is ,we seem to be on track.

One4all.

Originally posted by one4all
Waiting2,have you read any of the material posted on the "Karla Turner Memorial"site,I found MANY relevant statements by multiple abductees,lots are related to this topic here,you will identify with many I am sure,I did.

.

Thank you so much!! I just read the first book listed and I feel like I met myself!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

I would love to hug you!

Hi

i have been there myself. i just stumbled upon this thread.

i have not gone to the site with the books yet.

or at least it seems to be the same place.

after it happened i had a ct scan and mri done.

this was willing as i had a friend at UMASS medical school.

i came out clear as a bell.

this happened in 1996. actually october of 96'.

recently and i mean within the last 3 months it happened again.

in 1996 i was with a friend on a walk out in the middle of nowhere. it was about 34 degrees f here.

what was strange is we lost no time. we both went together through the smoke.(wasnt really smoke but the only way i know to describe it)

when we were on the other side in the room we were told to separate from each other by our guides.

when we walked back through we were on a patch of black ice.

what was strange is we some how slid into each other and somehow stayed upright. this patch of ice was about 30' long and down a hill about 40degrees down slope.

the time it happened recently my wife was with me in this realm.

i was not here. she saw my body pass out and reawaken with what she said was someone else. (we know about MKULTRA. it was not said project)

see when i was under i had nothing in my hands. my wife watched me very closely. she was debating on calling the ambulance.

then out of the blue my body said to her i am coming back. when that happened my body went limp and i was back.

now this is where it gets really strange.

as i said i had nothing in my hands in this realm. in the other realm i was handed a glossy stone. looked like marbling on it. it was warm to the touch as though it was in someone elses hands before mine.

when i came around in this realm i had the stone i still have the stone in a small safe.

now when i was there last i was told something that i was told to ONLY share with the others.

if this is the said item you are talking about please PM me. there is much we need to discuss.

i can go into detail.

just ask.

i should also mention i have been there 4 times counting the recent trip.

i told my wife what it seemed like happened.

who ever was in my body was talking to my wife. they had a whole conversation.

i have been scared because of the recent trip and the stone. i have something physical from there that i have never owned or seen anything similar.

does anyone know of a lab i could bring the stone to?

i do not have the money to spend on testing. but i was told to have it done.

also i have been to the doctors many ties since the 1996 trp. they told me i have had quite a bit of surgery on my sinuses, ears, and eye.

not what is weird about the eye. right before the incident and all the way back as far as i can remember i could see out of it. i even have medical records stating i had full eyesight.

but ever since that night i have had no vision in my right eye. i was told there are scars on my cornea yet no incision scars.

i am trying to recall all i can in a few minutes here. but i will be watching the thread all day.

if you have specific questions please ask. i will answer to the best of my knowledge.

i have been seen by 3 private shrinks, tested under hypnosis 2 times, ct scans and mri's have been done and documented.

also i have been forced to live in close to poverty as one can get without being on the streets.

but i also feel as to me being forced to live this way is keeping me safe.

one other question. but where is the post about new zeland? i cant find it as i do not know the title.

found it

[edit on 29-8-2010 by luciferxe]

Originally posted by Waiting2
I have had feelings of impending doom for quite some time. Recently, though, I just feel an immense sense of calm. Utter calm. I'm not sure what this change means. I just know I've been feeling it. This sense that it is important to appreciate every minute and pay attention to it before it all changes, so that I remember "before."

I wonder if anyone else is feeling this?

Hello Waiting2 (and NotThat).. I'm back!
Well, it's exactly 4.44am as I start writing this, what a surprise.
After a couple of fairly ordinary months, it's all heightening again and I knew it was time to return as there would be a recent post from you that would 'match'.
(To save new posters scrolling back pages, I've never been to the Grey Room but have been experiencing all the other 'symptoms').
And here it is - mention of the utter calm. You know that for 30 years plus my life revolved around highly competitive, professional work and an enjoyable, pretty superficial and hardly spiritual social life.
Then (not depression, very happy) I just lost a lifelong interest in 'must have' belongings, cars, properties etc. All this was replaced with a necessity to research things that had never been of interest before - physics, singularity etc.
And somehow, while researching what was happening to me, keywords I put in brought me to this thread in its earliest days and I thought, Thank You... this is it.
Right an update - I have no job now, don't care about the dwindling supply of money etc. Anyway, I own a property, as you know, but still know I'm not supposed to live there, so have continued to rent it out to someone else, while I rent my place!
I have agreed to do a few days work for one of my best friends but have refused to apply for a full time job in the city because, as I told her: "All the sh*t is now emptied out of my head and I daren't let any of it back in there."
It is important that my brain has lots of space in it, but I don't know why.
Everything in my history screams that the last thing I should be in this situation is experiencing utter calm, but there it is!
I have also phoned my elderly parents yesterday because I know I'm supposed to be near them soon. As well as discussing with my mother that I like to spend time watching my tomato plants grow (me who only ever bought prepared fruit and veg in plastic wrapping until now) I told her that I might move to their town within weeks, staying with them until I get sorted out.
None of this surprised my mother, she was delighted. I know she feels 'it' but we do not discuss it. Perhaps that is supposed to happen when I get there.
You will remember I said instinctively the agitated side of this experience was like birds gathering, swirling and chattering before they fly south. Well I think there might be a bit where they think 'nearly time' a short calm or hiatus before they all take off.
I have also recalled another example of the utter calm. The first time you are pregnant it's quite scary in that you know you have a painful challenge ahead of you, within a positive, life-changing experience. And then, as you near your due date, you are no longer scared. It's going to happen and your mind just prepares for coping with both physical pain and the unknown.
That's the last time I noticed a gear-change from agitated to very calm. Hormones do that, so perhaps some animal extinct is now kicking in to produce the new utter calm.
Hope others are feeling it - Take Care - SurprisedToBeHere.





[edit on 29-8-2010 by Surprised to be Here]

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Surprised to be Here]

Originally posted by Surprised to be Here

Originally posted by Waiting2
I have had feelings of impending doom for quite some time. Recently, though, I just feel an immense sense of calm. Utter calm. I'm not sure what this change means. I just know I've been feeling it. This sense that it is important to appreciate every minute and pay attention to it before it all changes, so that I remember "before."

I wonder if anyone else is feeling this?

Hello Waiting2 (and NotThat).. I'm back!
Well, it's exactly 4.44am as I start writing this, what a surprise.
After a couple of fairly ordinary months, it's all heightening again and I knew it was time to return as there would be a recent post from you that would 'match'.
(To save new posters scrolling back pages, I've never been to the Grey Room but have been experiencing all the other 'symptoms').
And here it is - mention of the utter calm. You know that for 30 years plus my life revolved around highly competitive, professional work and an enjoyable, pretty superficial and hardly spiritual social life.
Then (not depression, very happy) I just lost a lifelong interest in 'must have' belongings, cars, properties etc. All this was replaced with a necessity to research things that had never been of interest before - physics, singularity etc.
And somehow, while researching what was happening to me, keywords I put in brought me to this thread in its earliest days and I thought, Thank You... this is it.
Right an update - I have no job now, don't care about the dwindling supply of money etc. Anyway, I own a property, as you know, but still know I'm not supposed to live there, so have continued to rent it out to someone else, while I rent my place!
I have agreed to do a few days work for one of my best friends but have refused to apply for a full time job in the city because, as I told her: "All the sh*t is now emptied out of my head and I daren't let any of it back in there."
It is important that my brain has lots of space in it, but I don't know why.
Everything in my history screams that the last thing I should be in this situation is experiencing utter calm, but there it is!
I have also phoned my elderly parents yesterday because I know I'm supposed to be near them soon. As well as discussing with my mother that I like to spend time watching my tomato plants grow (me who only ever bought prepared fruit and veg in plastic wrapping until now) I told her that I might move to their town within weeks, staying with them until I get sorted out.
None of this surprised my mother, she was delighted. I know she feels 'it' but we do not discuss it. Perhaps that is supposed to happen when I get there.
You will remember I said instinctively the agitated side of this experience was like birds gathering, swirling and chattering before they fly south. Well I think there might be a bit where they think 'nearly time' a short calm or hiatus before they all take off.
I have also recalled another example of the utter calm. The first time you are pregnant it's quite scary in that you know you have a painful challenge ahead of you, within a positive, life-changing experience. And then, as you near your due date, you are no longer scared. It's going to happen and your mind just prepares for coping with both physical pain and the unknown.
That's the last time I noticed a gear-change from agitated to very calm. Hormones do that, so perhaps some animal extinct is now kicking in to produce the new utter calm.
Hope others are feeling it - Take Care - SurprisedToBeHere.





[edit on 29-8-2010 by Surprised to be Here]

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Surprised to be Here]

interesting experience

Originally posted by one4all
Waiting2,have you read any of the material posted on the "Karla Turner Memorial"site,I found MANY relevant statements by multiple abductees,lots are related to this topic here,you will identify with many I am sure,I did.

There is also mention of a focused,intentional "mass",as discussed earlier.

I found the material quite interesting.

I just finished reading Taken. It was weird reading bits of my own experiences and terms spoken from someone else's mouth. Even weirder that some of the women were experiencing the same things around the same time I was. Weird in a good way.

Because NotThat was there with me, I already knew there was a "language" of sorts, a set of expectations that was common to both of us. We just "knew" the same things. It was fascinating for me to hear other women say basically the same things. Similiarities were too many to count. A few stand out for me that were described just like I've experienced it:

--blue light
--loss of sleep
--"knowings"
--preparing for a difficult time ahead
--hearing voice
--speaking to alien telepathically
--description of round room
--seeing UFOs
--a job to do but don't know exactly what, feel will help others
--compulsions
--feeling that must be good to all
--I am me, I am part of God, God is part of me

I could keep on going.

THANK YOU for showing me this site. I will continue reading as I get time.

I'll also comment more this weekend when I have more free time. Thanks!!!!

Originally posted by one4all
Waiting2,as morbid as this may sound,if you use the list of dead investigators as a guide you will find ALL OF THE THINGS you seek,as I have,you will also be able to delineate between the real information and the fallacys,or at least narrow down the search markedly.

If you crossreference with ATS posters it is easy to see who is on track and who isnt.Problem is ,we seem to be on track.

One4all.

One4all, I must admit I'm not an expert in this field. I wasn't even looking in this direction...talking to investigators, I mean. It was part of the idea that I couldn't tell because it was "dangerous." (Yet another thing the women mentioned.) When I started this thread, for some odd reason it was OK to tell. Don't know why.

Any names of dead investigators (websites, etc) you can give me would help me. It's not morbid at all. Feel free to U2U me if you don't want to mention names so openly.

Just in the one site you showed me, I'm realizing that there is a broader purpose AND that there are several groups at play. (I'd already suspected as much.) Any other information you can pass my way would really help in my search. I'm still curious to find others in that room to hear from them what they know.... but I'm THRILLED that at last I have found some others who "know" the same things.

Thanks!

Originally posted by luciferxe
Hi

i have been there myself. i just stumbled upon this thread.

...
as i said i had nothing in my hands in this realm. in the other realm i was handed a glossy stone. looked like marbling on it. it was warm to the touch as though it was in someone elses hands before mine.

when i came around in this realm i had the stone i still have the stone in a small safe.

now when i was there last i was told something that i was told to ONLY share with the others.

also i have been forced to live in close to poverty as one can get without being on the streets.

but i also feel as to me being forced to live this way is keeping me safe.

Luciferxe, NotThat and I brought back packs with us that we packed ourselves. We were never given a box or a stone.

If you read the Karla Turner Memorial site (read the first book, Taken) you'll eventually come across a woman who mentions she was given a stone. If my memory serves me correctly, at least 2 of the women were given stones.

From my own experience, I know that sometimes I have talked to someone about their personal life, but it was not me speaking. It was like I was moved out of the way so someone else could give a message to that person. I never remember what was said.....just vague glimpses. My view is that I'm not supposed to remember that information, that it was meant for that person only. When it has happened, I have been able to look deep inside a person and see all of their pain and the reasons why they are feeling the way they are. I once did it to NotThat and gave her information about the future that I could not remember. Even she noticed I was different while I did that.

As for the stone, the women in the book mentioned that people would some how go looking for the stone and then the women would give the stone to them. Personally, if I was given a special stone, I wouldn't give it to anyone to analyze. I'd be afraid it would get "lost." There must be some reason why it was given to you.

***Just read your post again. If you were "told" to get the stone tested, you will know who to give it to when the time is right. Perhaps someone reading this thread will put you on the right track, but I have a feeling you'll just run into someone.

As for your message, only you know who you can tell your messsage to.

My experience about messages is this: most people never heard me when I talked about this stuff. It's like it went in one ear and right out the other, almost as if I had never even spoken. Some of the ones who did thought I was crazy (didn't matter since I wouldn't see them again anyway) but most just listened and then forgot. Seriously.

For a long time I hid all of this, which is quite ironic since one of the messages I'd received was "Nothing is hidden." Only recently have I gotten the courage to talk about this at all.

Your comments about asking if I have specific questions made me smile. That's the weird thing about this. If you ask me a question, I'll answer you. You just have to ask the right one. I'm not being cryptic here. It's just an odd part of this experience. I'll answer any question you ask...almost as if I'm compelled to do so. However, most people just don't ask the right ones. Sometimes even I am surprised by what is "unlocked" when the question is asked. And ironically, I don't know what the right questions are until they are asked. This may not make sense to the majority of you, but I'm sure there is someone out there going...yep, yep, got that, too.

I guess this is a long-winded way of saying feel free to share your message if you want to, but I don't want to subliminally force you to answer.

The questions I'll ask of you are:

1. Have you also been told you have a job to do? If so, what do you think it is? (Me: a center point, communication, help others, calm in the storm)

2. What are your visions of the future? (the ones you can share) (Me: I've shared these in the thread)

3. Are you finished preparing for the most part and are now just calm, waiting? (Me: mostly finished, not just calm and waiting)

4. What are you waiting for? (Me: aliens to show up, chaos, no electricity, etc)

5. Do you know when we will stop waiting? (specific date?) (Me: No idea except "soon")


#5 is the one that bugs me the most since I don't know when it is.

As for living close to poverty as possible, for a long time I felt I had to live unnoticed so that I would be safe, almost "invisible" if that makes sense to you. I don't know who I was hiding from, but I have a general idea. My thoughts about your comment is that you were doing the same thing.

So #6...Who are you hiding from? (Me: bad guys with evil energy who want to suck mine away, want to fight)

Great to hear from you. Anything else you want to talk about your experiences and why you think you are going would be helpful. Do you go voluntarily or are you taken?



[edit on 31-8-2010 by Waiting2]

Waiting2 and NotThat,
I haven't had a chance to read all the posts yet, only the first dozen pages or so, but has anyone mentioned the work of David Wilcock to you? He has amassed a huge volume of data in this area and others which you might find usefull. The site is called Divine Cosmos. Some of it is based on "The Law of One", a series of channelled readings from the early '80's, which talks about a group of souls who chose to be incarnated on the planet at this time to help mankind ascend to the next evolutionary stage. They are called Wanderers, and it sounds to me like you and some of the others here who have experienced similar things may be part of that group. I won't go into too much detail here, but I'm more than willing to answer any questions that I can. I have been studying this and similar subjects almost daily for the past 4 years or better, not to mention a lifetime of picking up little truths from other sources. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'll answer the best I can. Thanks for putting this out in the public eye!

dontaskme

Originally posted by Surprised to be Here
I have also recalled another example of the utter calm. The first time you are pregnant it's quite scary in that you know you have a painful challenge ahead of you, within a positive, life-changing experience. And then, as you near your due date, you are no longer scared. It's going to happen and your mind just prepares for coping with both physical pain and the unknown.
That's the last time I noticed a gear-change from agitated to very calm. Hormones do that, so perhaps some animal extinct is now kicking in to produce the new utter calm.
Hope others are feeling it - Take Care - SurprisedToBeHere.
[edit on 29-8-2010 by Surprised to be Here]

Yes, yes, I'd describe that calm in just the same way. I didn't think of it in that way before, but it's exactly like that. Thanks for adding to the description!

Good luck moving to your mom's place. I think you'll feel much better once you get there, even calmer, a sense of relief.

Originally posted by dontaskme
Waiting2 and NotThat,
I haven't had a chance to read all the posts yet, only the first dozen pages or so, but has anyone mentioned the work of David Wilcock to you? He has amassed a huge volume of data in this area and others which you might find usefull. The site is called Divine Cosmos. Some of it is based on "The Law of One", a series of channelled readings from the early '80's, which talks about a group of souls who chose to be incarnated on the planet at this time to help mankind ascend to the next evolutionary stage. They are called Wanderers, and it sounds to me like you and some of the others here who have experienced similar things may be part of that group. I won't go into too much detail here, but I'm more than willing to answer any questions that I can. I have been studying this and similar subjects almost daily for the past 4 years or better, not to mention a lifetime of picking up little truths from other sources. I don't claim to be an expert, but I'll answer the best I can. Thanks for putting this out in the public eye!

dontaskme

I have heard a little about it, but not much. I'll have to check out his site more. Thanks.

Personally, I don't know why I would want to "choose" to on the planet when it goes through such chaos, nor why I would willingly have children go through it. (Seems cruel somehow.)

However, I have always been one for adventure.

When I have time, I'll write more questions for you. Thanks for responding!

reply to post by one4all


I finished the 3 books.

Common experiences-

Seeing through walls
Beautiful "angel" peering into my eyes - face very close to mine
Being followed by a car that disapears
Odd phone calls and noises on phone
Metaphysical experiences - meeting God
Metaphysical knowledge about the nature of God and the universe
An invisable companion
Being "Perfect - what I was meant to be" for a few weeks (has to do with wholeness, not physical beauty)
Seeing the earth as a whole
Shimmering light
White light
Golden light
Grey fog
Knowing someone was at the door, openning the door, but not remembering who was there.
Hearing my name being called
Hearing doorbells and odd buzzing noises that wake me up
waking up at 3:30 am
Compulsions
Knowing there will be a disaster "soon".
Having a job to do during the disaster that has something to do with being able to hear the aliens talk in my head
Seeing people who appear and disapear in a split second


I seem to know alot about various aspects of God. Mostly my experiences had to do with God as energy, or density, or flowing like water. Having the God (Gods) I met turn out to be aliens puts a very interesting and odd spin to my knowledge of God.

I know I agreed to something without knowing what I was agreeing to. Since I have no control or power over aliens (or God for that matter) it is psychicly easer to think I have been blessed rather than to think I was a victim.

NotThat, during my personal event at a specific point I was given choices,freedom of choice,complete freedon within the military structure when on one craft,and absolute freedom on other craft.

I was not given freedom to choose wether to participate in the events or not,and it was only after I was "caught"being awake and aware that I was given freedom of choice and all my requests were met,my questions freely answered.

It seems that if we are asleep in a traditional manner ,we are considered to have no rights or to be ignorant of the facts therefore the crime of abduction is somehow a guiltless one because WE NEVER KNOW IT IS HAPPENING SO IT ISNT A PART OF OUR CUMULATIVE REALITY OR PERSPECTIVE.However if we somehow become awake and aware during an event then we cause a dilemma,our rights must be respected as long as we are both awake and aware,this is where people that remember become important.

The God issue is still up for debate as the people I spoke with hadnt figured it out yet either,they just know that THEY arent our gods,and that WE sure arent theirs,our existance isnt a mystery to them,they helped us get to the point humanity is now at.It is only we who are mystified by that even which we have today discovered and can learn freely.It is the acceptance that is the catch,letting go of god,in order that we get a chance to see if we can really find one out there beyond that which we choose to accept today.

The choices we make while sharing a reality or perspective with these people ARE NOT VALID IN THIS REALITY OR PERSPECTIVE,this is important because it means that we dont have to honor our committments if we dont want to in retrospect.This is a technical error that strikes at the very heart of the abduction experience ,we have the freedom to refuse any prior promises we have made while"out of our regular reality".

There can be crossover of realities,this is most likely why it is so important that we not remember our events freely.This is FREE WILL IN ACTION,when we can express it in multiple realities we can change both realities at our will.

No one can be obligated to honor a committment made under duress.

I personally have a very detailed set of memories and have found that circumstances of the moment being considered both fore and aft,I have pretty much done everything I said I would do.I made choices concerning my own future of my own free will during events,choices I have not reneged on.
Oh you can believe I have issues with the events,but keeping a realistic perspective means I choose to simply learn and improve the future for the people I love and for humanity.

I can see how people could be confused if they hadnt been awake and aware AND REMEMBERED IT ,you see these are paralell issues,you may have been awake and aware for a good portion of your event BUT SOMEHOW BEEN INDUCED TO FORGET IT.I personally cant be sure if the memory loss is related to this but I drank a liquid that I have thought enabled me to be transported back home in the beam,gravitational I believe.Could be a factor,it was the last unusual thing I remember doing before ending up at home.

I know I was supposed to FORGET my event,I was not supposed to retain my memories ,I even remember the tone that was used by the person explaining this unfortunate reality to me.Were they ever wrong.

Please dont feel overly concerened with any committments you have made while under duress.

I understand the conendrum,I myself must deal with it,but nonetheless you cannot agree to do something in one reality and suffer a crossover event wherin BOTH realities begin to influence each other.And you lose freedom of choice in the process.

You have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF CHOICE,at any time ,in any reality.

It is natural to somehow rationalise that "we"must have somehow agreed to some degree with the abductions,this is called a victim mentality---I used to live with that myself,until I began to learn more about others like myself,thats when my reality began to shift ,my perspective began to accept where my experiences fit in in the larger picture,you feel quite alone UNTIL YOU FIND OTHERS LIKE YOURSELF.

I am not saying that I or others may or may not have made promises or gaurantees while being held captive in a reality we didint freely choose,I am saying that whatever the pretenses initially ,the abductions into a reality not chosen are wrong,therefore we are not bound by these facts be as they may,hence the intrinsic flaw in the abductions.We cannot be controlled,we are very powerful,only WE can bind ourselves in chains of our own device.

We must be fooled,lied to,misrepresented,who cares if it is based on a technicality INVOLVING PARALELL REALITIES,there are obviously rules of some kind,where is our representation?This is my point,we are being treated UNJUSTLY--fairness--doesnt come into play here.

My word is my moment and I shall freely choose each one I experience,or I will consider myself to be under a state of external duress and shall act accordingly.

Keep your word and promises only to yourself,you will then never let anyone else be disappointed.


NotThat,you DO have control of events no matter what reality you happen to be in during your chosen moment of awareness,you can question,use your mind and emotional focus,you can physically do things,just will them to happen,things can be done to you but also to those around you.You may not have complete control of the moments but you will retain some freedom of choice just as if you were at home,the key is being AWARE AND AWAKE so that your presence MUST BE AKNOWLEDGED.

I believe that we can STOP abductions from recurring to individuals who learn to maintain an awake and aware STATE.We are not valuable if we are difficult to control and for some reason of justice they just cant kill us off,so we become difficult houseguests and start to exert our ability to remain AWAKE AND AWARE.In their reality,this somehow messes with the system.In our present reality of choice it doesnt seem to do much,but it may in the future as we freely choose to meld the two realities we have been indoctrinated into..








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Originally posted by zippy1958
reply to post by chubbybuffalo

 

And WAITING2: I ALSO remember New Zealand being in a different place. I had a friend that was from there and I looked for it on the map a long time ago. I remember it being NW of Australia. I cannot believe I just admitted that...

How odd! I was just recently perusing a world map and was surprised that New Zealand was NOT on the NW side of Australia. I've always remembered it being there too!

*now back to my regularly scheduled lurking*