How to Destroy a 9/11 Truther

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by bsbray11
So if you are going to state something as fact (defcon), you should be prepared to back it up.

The fact that I cannot back up conversations I have had with other airline personnel

Nope, sorry. I was talking about your assertion that only a handful of airline professionals out of a million believe 9/11 was an inside job. I hardly care what you and your like-minded friends think, because that is not a significant sample to begin with.

If you don't have the stats to back up THAT claim then don't bother responding. You're apparently incapable of even admitting the difference between a statistical fact and your personal opinion. :shk:

Keep going bsb....your winning!!

What PhD's do you think the 'bunker wanted to compare, given he then conceeds he doesnt have any....???

No smoke clouds from me.....not too sure about you though, with your spitting of hairs and your " I never said blah blah..."you wanted to compare PhD's you said....yet you dont have any!!

Neither do I mate if it makes you feel better...

but then I never implied I had....


Debunkers always try to baffle with BS or use personal attacks or "put downs"....and for some it may work, but for those who know better than to believe their tripe, the 'bunker just looks pathetic...and reveals how easily they accept the OS....

....which they then say, having done "massive research", they conclude

there can be only one answer.....theres!!


priceless.

[edit on 16-2-2010 by benoni]

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


i dont care what u think of me. I don't care what your opinion is. If you people hate America so much, then LEAVE. Period. Stop defiling this good country.

First of all, what the hell is "Truther?" That's rhetorical, of course. It is just funny how the media and other purveyors of government propaganda spoon-feed sheeple with whatever the ad hominem "flavor of the day" is, and you go right out and start parroting. Defend the indefensible and if they get you with facts, simply tack an "er" on the end and say it (write it) with a seething, sniveling, ridicule-like tone and you'll automatically win. "Truther" "Birther" "Climate Denier," etc. Even now if you have the temerity to believe in states' rights, you're a "tenther." Ridiculous and Transparent.

As far as 9/11 goes and all this incessant bickering about physics, the melting point of steel, the tensil strength of this.., blah, blah, blah, you don't need to argue any of that to prove beyond ANY SHADOW OF ANY DOUBT that the official story from "Officaldom" is manifestly false. All one needs to PROVE CONSPIRACY is the fact that record numbers of "PUT OPTIONS" and "SHORT SALES" were placed in the days leading up to Sept. 11, 2001 in companies like AMR, UA, BA, other re-insurance companies. Conversley, CALL Options were unprecedented in defense companies and others who would benefit from 9/11.

This becomes even more intriguing when one looks at the incestuous relationships between investment banks and the CIA, "backwater" etc..

There is absolutely nothing you PARROTS can say that will challenge or "debunk" these MANIFEST FACTS! PERIOD! Oh, wait a minute, I know... Osama and his turban-clad buddies were all on their SAT phones with their brokers in the days leading up to 9/11. Right. Silly me.

And of course, like the original poster's video states, there are hundreds if not thousands of "coincidences" that the fluorinated parrots must simply dismiss out of hand for the govt's story to hold even a drop of water. My favorite? I can remember being incredulous beyond comprehension that no one was questioning the "Air Bin ladin" charter that quickly scurried some 200 Arabs back to Mecca or wherever the hell before anyone could interrogate them when every other aircraft save military and JPATS were grounded for a week.

Truly, A NATION OF SHEEP!

Originally posted by nycfrog27
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

i dont care what u think of me. I don't care what your opinion is. If you people hate America so much, then LEAVE. Period. Stop defiling this good country.

RIGHT. When your country gets invaded and hijacked by a bunch of treasonous, traitorous, foreigner, banksters, globalists, and political thugs, just leave. Get the hell out. "If you don't like your illegal government, just get the hell out!"

What country did you say you fought for again? Red China?

Originally posted by nycfrog27
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

i dont care what u think of me. I don't care what your opinion is. If you people hate America so much, then LEAVE. Period. Stop defiling this good country.

Who said they hated America?!? Please, quote ONE poster on this thread that has even implied as much.

People who 'defile this good country' are small-minded people like you who 1) name call before intelligent debate is even attempted 2) can't comprehend simple ideas / evidence, 3) make ridiculous statements & claims based on misinterpreted information, and 4) accuse others of being unpatriotic, merely because we question things - when, we could argue that we are the MOST patriotic, because we care enough to ask the tough questions and pursue the even tougher answers.

But, whatever. Go on thinking that truthers 'hate America' - what a ridiculous pile of horse sh it!




[edit on 2/16/2010 by SquirrelNutz]

Originally posted by bsbray11
Nope, sorry. I was talking about your assertion that only a handful of airline professionals out of a million believe 9/11 was an inside job.

pretty simple math, they still teach that in college, right?
Lets see, less then 1000 people are members of Pilots4truth, out of millions of aviation personnel.
Speaks volumes as to the other 99.999999999999% professionals thoughts on the subjects, eh?

But then we see truther tactics right in the same thread where they tried to apply them to the rest of us normal people out there.

Originally posted by defcon5
I also enjoy the bit about “going after the weakest strawman, pointing out the tiniest flaw”, when that is the basis of the truth movement, picking apart the tiniest flaws in what happened on 911, and basing your theories on it.

So who goes after strawmen again?
I'll tell you what....
I'll withdraw my personal experiences when CIT and Crag Rank does....
CIT wants us to accept first hand encounters as though they are facts without any proof, why should we as I am telling you first hand experience and an being asked to prove it.

Originally posted by bsbray11
I hardly care what you and your like-minded friends think, because that is not a significant sample to begin with.

Like-minded?
Try normal people...
Go bring his garbage up at places like Airliners.net and see how fast you get laughed off their board....

Originally posted by bsbray11
You're apparently incapable of even admitting the difference between a statistical fact and your personal opinion. :shk:

Excuse me?
Again, if first hand experience is not valid, make CIT appologize to the rest of us and place their posts under the [HOAX] title...
First hand experience is first hand experience, hence the fact its called “First hand experience”, not “Opinion”... I am pretty sure that they still teach English in school, right?

I would like to believe that 911 was really the works of Middle Eastern men but someone has to give me a logical explanation on how that slow moving plane was able to hit the Pentagon one hour after the incident in the Twin Towers.

Don't they have any radars in the Pentagon? Isn't it a common sense to put some radars on the home of the bosses in the military? Again, how come a slow moving passenger plane can possibly hit the Pentagon without any fight from the Pentagon?

Stand down
Put option
Free fall
Questions?

reply to post by wavemaker


They shut off their transponder which made them blend in with the rest of the clutter on the radar screens. Radars pick up clutter, including even cars passing over bridges, and other crap'oll'a. A transponder is interrogated by an out-going signal from the radar (from the bar on the top), and it returns other information to the controller like the AC#, Altitude, and Speed. When that is shut off it becomes a blip among thousands of others. Do a wiki on primary, and secondary radar.
Start here:
Air Traffic Services Surveillance Systems, Including An Explanation of Primary and Secondary Radar

reply to post by trueforger


There was no stand down, that is Internet BS, and has been proven as such.
NORAD monitors the DEW Line, bar-Lant, and Bar-Pac, not internal ATC.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/814caa59d0e3.jpg[/atsimg]
Or do you honestly think that NORAD tracks every single commuter flight, Commercial flight, Private pilot, Radio traffic aircraft, Hospital transport aircraft, aerial application aircraft (bug sprayers, crop dusters, etc...), etc...?

I'll get the the rest later as I lack the patience to do it ATM...

[edit on 2/16/2010 by defcon5]

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by wavemaker

 

They shut off their transponder which made them blend in with the rest of the clutter on the radar screens. Radars pick up clutter, including even cars passing over bridges, and other crap'oll'a. A transponder is interrogated by an out-going signal from the radar (from the bar on the top), and it returns other information to the controller like the AC#, Altitude, and Speed. When that is shut off it becomes a blip among thousands of others. Do a wiki on primary, and secondary radar.
Start here:
Air Traffic Services Surveillance Systems, Including An Explanation of Primary and Secondary Radar

Some guys just attacked the Twin Towers and these guys at the Pentagon decided to shut down their transponder and in effect they became a sitting duck for attack?! Do you really believe that explanation? Are there no other military establishments (or radars) near that area that can detect that slow moving plane that is going to the Pentagon? Is the Pentagon that stupid not be on red alert even if there are "terrorist attacks" in NY and in White House? (I assume that the Pentagon is "not aware" that there is another plane going to the White House because their transponder was turned off.)

Here is the Pentagon's motto: "When under attack, turn off the transponder."

Originally posted by wavemaker
Some guys just attacked the Twin Towers and these guys at the Pentagon decided to shut down their transponder and in effect they became a sitting duck for attack?!

Christ...
If you are going to engage the rest of us in a debate on the subject go do some reading first.
All four aircraft shut down their transponders.

Originally posted by wavemaker
Are there no other military establishments (or radars) near that area that can detect that slow moving plane that is going to the Pentagon?

Relatively speaking they were not moving slowly, and they blended in with other traffic.

Originally posted by wavemaker
Is the Pentagon that stupid not be on red alert even if there are "terrorist attacks" in NY and in White House?

What would you have them do?
Shoot it down over the city?
They had few options...
They only shoot down over unpopulated areas, or the ocean.

Originally posted by wavemaker
Here is the Pentagon's motto: "When under attack, turn off the transponder."

The plane shut off its transponder...
Did you go read that page?
You are making a fool out of yourself!


Deny Ignorance my friend.

[edit on 2/16/2010 by defcon5]

Originally posted by wavemaker
Don't they have any radars in the Pentagon?

No, it is a office building - how many do you know have radars? Anyway, Ronald Regan Airport was only a few miles away

Again, how come a slow moving passenger plane can possibly hit the Pentagon without any fight from the Pentagon?

What do you expect a large office building to do? Move? Throw bricks?

AHAHAH this video almost hits the nail right on the head regarding all the flat out IDIOTS who dont understand how 9/11 was an inside job. Especially those who wont put it past their great 'lil bush!' LMFAO !

Seriously guys, what is this world coming to?! S&F !

Originally posted by wavemaker

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by wavemaker

 

They shut off their transponder which made them blend in with the rest of the clutter on the radar screens. Radars pick up clutter, including even cars passing over bridges, and other crap'oll'a. A transponder is interrogated by an out-going signal from the radar (from the bar on the top), and it returns other information to the controller like the AC#, Altitude, and Speed. When that is shut off it becomes a blip among thousands of others. Do a wiki on primary, and secondary radar.
Start here:
Air Traffic Services Surveillance Systems, Including An Explanation of Primary and Secondary Radar

Some guys just attacked the Twin Towers and these guys at the Pentagon decided to shut down their transponder and in effect they became a sitting duck for attack?! Do you really believe that explanation? Are there no other military establishments (or radars) near that area that can detect that slow moving plane that is going to the Pentagon? Is the Pentagon that stupid not be on red alert even if there are "terrorist attacks" in NY and in White House? (I assume that the Pentagon is "not aware" that there is another plane going to the White House because their transponder was turned off.)

Here is the Pentagon's motto: "When under attack, turn off the transponder."

I am utterly amazed in how "twoothers" can only hear what they want, when they want to. Even then the information gets garbled before it reaches their brain.
Defcon: You would make more progress arguing with a brick wall.

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


this clearly is the greatest thread of all time on ats posted by whats clearly the owner of the best avatar on ats

is there anything else to be said? no but i just didnt want it to be a one line post

p.s. love the squirrel

another p.s. the way the guy says truther is hysterical

just browsing this thread shows that video is more serious then not

i mean just look at the ferocity so many have entered this thread with, instead of letting there be one light hearted topic

its flamed to a crisp


i wonder why so many os believers feel the need to come on message boards and degrade others?

no matter what troofers are saying, why do people feel the need to spend their valuable time conversing on it in such a volatile manner?

how did we evolve this horrid attribute and how do we de-evolve it?

i mean imagine if other topics had the same situation?

like imagine if you were on a hamster board asking about hamster health and someone came on and said hamsters arent real and started arguing about it

go online ask a question and next thing you know youre being assaulted as dumb or childish by a bunch of people not recognizing the hypocrisy in their own statements

as much intelligence as the internet has brought us, maybe just maybe we'd be more intelligent without it

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by wavemaker
Don't they have any radars in the Pentagon?

No, it is a office building - how many do you know have radars? Anyway, Ronald Regan Airport was only a few miles away

Again, how come a slow moving passenger plane can possibly hit the Pentagon without any fight from the Pentagon?

What do you expect a large office building to do? Move? Throw bricks?

you truly believe the pentagon has no defenses? its just some office building? like really?

You should check out the electric gatling guns for shipboard defense. Throws a wall of steel,computer controlled.Takes out incoming missiles,smaller and faster than a commercial airliner.Back in the late 20th century(before th' war) it was called 'Puff the Magic Dragon'' HELICOPTER mounted.The building housing the joint cheifs ,computers,visiting Heads of State,all that,defended by bricks?(And to think I will be asked to prove what would be a secret,like how many and where and controlled by whom armament exists there.)That's,well,DRECK,swampfox scat,product of a deaf con(ain't listening and 'conning' you).And to answer defcon5,do I think every aircraft was tracked,is tracked?There's guys staring at screens now,I think it's aircraft they get paid to watch,in dot form with ID's.Over Iowa,cropdusters would not be seen the same as if it were,say dusting the Pentacon lawn.We're not idiots,man.

[edit on 16-2-2010 by trueforger]