How to Destroy a 9/11 Truther

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Sean48

 

I stand corrected..they are tied for the position. Although Gunderson does seem to be a bit nuttier....its not enough of a distinction to make him sole lead fruitcake.

Gunderson is "nuttier" because he retired from the FBI in 1997, because he's a bit older than you, and because he questions the OS? Are you serious? Are you completely unaware of how your statements reflect your patently obvious deeply ingrained biases?

[edit on 2/15/2010 by dubiousone]

reply to post by The_Zomar

dumb, blind, imbred second half who think steel structures spontaneously collapse.

Yeah I know, that plane should have just bounced off the side of the building and everyone knows steel is totally immune to fire.

Nice anti-vaccine picture there too, so much truth that it just boggles the mind.

Like I said, all the al-Qaeda believers have left are ad hominem attacks against individuals because the facts are self evident. It would help convince people you're smarter than all those professionals you're deriding if you at least understood the meaning of the words you're using though. Here, let me educate you:

www.yourdictionary.com...

con·spira·cy (kən spir′ə sē)

noun pl. conspiracies -·cies

1. a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason
2. the plan agreed on; plot
3. the group taking part in such a plan
4. a combining or working together the conspiracy of events

Etymology: ME conspiracie, prob. via ML conspirancia < L conspirare: see conspire

By definition of the word conspiracy, the official story is a conspiracy theory.

reply to post by Crito

all the al-Qaeda believers have left are ad hominem attacks against individuals because the facts are self evident

I may be a little rusty on keeping up with the conspiracy's, but you don't believe in al-qaeda? The terrorists are in on it too?

PS: conspiracy theorists don't use facts unless they have been modified to fit their own belief

Originally posted by Crito
It would help convince people you're smarter than all those professionals you're deriding if you at least understood the meaning of the words you're using though.

I have news for you, the few 911 truth movement professionals are not encompassing of all the professionals in those fields. As a matter of fact they are a pathetically small minority group of them.

[edit on 2/15/2010 by defcon5]

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


I got another funny one for you SquirrelNut. This one contains a little profanity, however, so here's the warning: NOT WORK SAFE!!!

Deek Jackson on why he's a coincidence theorist, not a conspiracy theorist.

Originally posted by Moonsouljah
That was pretty funny. they forgot to mention to ask these questions:
"why would America bomb her own buildings?"
"If it was an inside why has nobody gone public?"

Never Forget!

You forgot to study your debunking book for at least 1 hour!

1) Why would America bomb her own buildings? Same reason Hitler had the Reichstag burned... it's called a "New Pearl Harbor" event calculated to get the "AMERICAN" people "UNITED" behind the "ATTACK" on Afghantistan and Iraq, which is what Bush wanted to do way before he ever entered office.

2) If it was an inside job, why has nobody gone public? People have gone public, and usually they are called "conspiracy nuts" or if they have very strong testimony, they are FIRED from their jobs, THREATENED with prison or death, or they mysteriously die like Barry Jennings did. When the government executes such a conspiracy, everyone that was even unknowingly involved will be SCARED for their careers and lives, and unless there was a mass revealing, nobody wants to stick their necks out as the few whistle-blowers. Nevertheless, some people HAVE come forward, and they were swiftly dealt with. Some names you might want to look up are:

Here's a video made on the whistle-blowers that had some kind of hard evidence:

Google Video Link

And you might want to look up Sibel Edmonds

Originally posted by Stuship
It amazes me how many people say "it is physics" while most have no education in the subject.

Your arrogance is appalling.

It doesn't take a formal degree or education in physics to see what a blatant lie the OS is. Even so, unlike you, many of the people who see through the OS do have varying levels of formal education and advanced degrees in math, chemistry, physics, architecture, and all the experience one needs to detect the smell of a putrid rat.

What do you know about simple Newtonian mechanics, physics, and the amount of force required to reduce the concrete in massive structures such as the twin towers to dust, or eject objects weighing tons more than 500 feet laterally away from the towers. Do you really believe that a simple "pancake collapse" can do that?

In your OS believing mind, where did the energy to achieve those effects come from? It wasn't the fires. It couldn't have come from mere downward pressure. Where then?

Do you really believe that some relatively minor asymetrical damage and some fire in building 7 caused it to collapse uniformly and without resistance from any internal support structures into its footprint?

It's tme to grow a brain, Polyanna.

Take off the blinders, free your mind, and dare to see more than what you're very effective conditioning has so far allowed you to be aware of.

[edit on 2/15/2010 by dubiousone]

I expect this sort of treatment towards birthers, not truthers.

I kind of thought the general ATS consensus was that 9/11 was planned in some way, regardless of who or how.

Originally posted by downisreallyup
2) If it was an inside job, why has nobody gone public? People have gone public, and usually they are called "conspiracy nuts" or if they have very strong testimony, they are FIRED from their jobs, THREATENED with prison or death, or they mysteriously die like Barry Jennings did. When the government executes such a conspiracy, everyone that was even unknowingly involved will be SCARED for their careers and lives, and unless there was a mass revealing, nobody wants to stick their necks out as the few whistle-blowers. Nevertheless, some people HAVE come forward, and they were swiftly dealt with. Some names you might want to look up are:

How about the hundreds of thousands of non-governmental people who were involved on that day, or during the search, rescue, and cleanup?
Air Traffic Controllers.
Pilots.
Airline Personnel.
Police Officers.
Fire Fighters.
Search and Rescue Workers (private S&R Dog Handlers, etc.)
Construction Workers.
Heavy Equipment Operators.
Telephone Operators.
Morgue and Hospital Personnel.
Victims Family Members.
ETC...

LOL , Great Video man , I am still laughing ...............So True too about the often abused " Straw Man " Tactic concerning 9/11 . Definately a Star and Flag Post here !..............

Originally posted by defcon5
I have news for you, the few 911 truth movement professionals are not encompassing of all the professionals in those fields. As a matter of fact they are a pathetically small minority group of them.

Prove it.

My feeling is that the vast majority of experts in relevant fields are completely uneducated in the official technical reports and the issues organizations like AE911 have brought up with those reports. For example most engineers imo have not even read the NIST WTC reports, or even know that WTC7 collapsed, just like everyone else.


So unless you have polls of professionals, you're just making stuff up.

nothing about 9/11 is was or will be ***** funny. and I don't even live in america, I watched the entire thing unfold on bbc news, I watched the french guys documentary where they decide not to show you the remains of humans on fire in the elevator shaft, when they leave about 10 seconds before the building collapses, where they are filming people outside saying THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION IN --->"THE FRICKING LOBBY"

Seems like no matter how many impossibilities we are expected to swallow in the OS, its still easier or less scary for some to do that than to think for themselves.

Ho Hum

This is a pointless debate that's long past its sell by date, whats needed is to push for exposure, not waste breath on foolish people who can't accept their government doesn't love them anymore.

Black is black, white is white, and building 7 was demolished in a pre planned operation. The rest flows from there.

Originally posted by franspeakfree
This is complete and utter garbage, you people need to get a life, rather than sitting in front of a computer trying to preach to all and sundry. As regards to those cartoons, how old are you? cartoons are for children. I was only going to stick around if we were to debate this properly. However, now I see that this thread is full of immature people who don't respect their countries I am out of here, Good bye to you sir.

Wow, this person was being serious. That initial video at the beginning of the thread NAILED IT PERFECTLY!!! Ahahahahaha! At first I thought the vid was just a little on the good side, but when it perfectly laid this person out... wow. GOOD POST! S&F!

Originally posted by bsbray11
Prove it.
My feeling is that the vast majority of experts in relevant fields are completely uneducated in the official technical reports and the issues organizations like AE911 have brought up with those reports. For example most engineers imo have not even read the NIST WTC reports, or even know that WTC7 collapsed, just like everyone else.

So unless you have polls of professionals, you're just making stuff up.

It proves itself, I don't have to prove it.
There are like 4 or 5 ATPL pilots in Pilots for Truth out of like 500K ATPL pilots.
The rest of the pilots for truth are guys faking having ATPL licenses by claiming Commercial Ratings.
A Commercial Rating is not an ATPL.

There are a handful of A&P Mechanics in the truth movement compared to the millions of A&P mechanics out there.

There are a handful of Airline professionals in general that are part of the Truth Movement out of Millions of them. The funny part is that most of the ones in the Truth Movement are RETIRED professionals, and have not even worked on that equipment.

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by bsbray11
Prove it.
My feeling is that the vast majority of experts in relevant fields are completely uneducated in the official technical reports and the issues organizations like AE911 have brought up with those reports. For example most engineers imo have not even read the NIST WTC reports, or even know that WTC7 collapsed, just like everyone else.

So unless you have polls of professionals, you're just making stuff up.

It proves itself, I don't have to prove it.
There are like 4 or 5 ATPL pilots in Pilots for Truth out of like 500K ATPL pilots.
The rest of the pilots for truth are guys faking having ATPL licenses by claiming Commercial Ratings.
A Commercial Rating is not an ATPL.

There are a handful of A&P Mechanics in the truth movement compared to the millions of A&P mechanics out there.

There are a handful of Airline professionals in general that are part of the Truth Movement out of Millions of them. The funny part is that most of the ones in the Truth Movement are RETIRED professionals, and have not even worked on that equipment.

Oh, did you stop thinking when it came to the dynamic of them loosing their livelyhood? Of course professional demolition workers that specialize in taking down towers are not going to be part of the truth movement. Thats just common sense.

If it's an inside job, its a massive one. David Rockefeller said something to the effect that Bilderberg has been part of a conspiracy for over 60 years, and guess what... he was the driving force to get those towers built. You people want to act like there is no such thing as a massive conspiracy. All I have to do is point to Bilderberg, and why it is never on the news. Not to mention the Skull and Bones Secret Society which is the true head of the CIA (daddy Bush Director of CIA and so forth).

Of course you ask me to prove it... well I can't exactly get someone from the CIA to admit the CIA is in a sense 'bought out', just like I can't get a professional demo man to go on record saying the way the towers (all three of them) fell was exactly like all the buildings they have successfully demo'd.

Originally posted by defcon5
It proves itself, I don't have to prove it.

Uh huh.

There are like 4 or 5 ATPL pilots in Pilots for Truth out of like 500K ATPL pilots.

And you've talked to all of them or have a reliable poll of how many think there was something "funny" about the flights on 9/11?

If all you're going by is how many of them signed up with the pilots group, you know your reasoning here really sucks. Like I said, put up or shut up. Something besides your personal guesswork.

There are a handful of A&P Mechanics in the truth movement compared to the millions of A&P mechanics out there.

Again, stats please?

I might as well just say, half a million A&P mechanics believe 9/11 was an inside job, they just didn't sign up with any online organizations. Where's my proof? Oh, I don't need to prove it, it proves itself.

There are a handful of Airline professionals in general that are part of the Truth Movement out of Millions of them.

Again, source?

On 9/11 the seismic stations grouped around New York City recorded seismic events from the WTC site, two of which occurred immediately prior to the aircraft impacts upon the Twin Towers. Because these seismic events preceded the collisions, it is clear they were not associated with the impacts and must therefore be associated with some other occurrence. None of the authorities charged with the responsibility for the investigation of the events of 9/11 have proposed a source for these seismic events, nor have they given a valid reason for the difference in times between the seismic events and the aircraft impacts. Only by consideration of the evidence of basement explosions before the aircraft impacts, as experienced by William Rodriquez and 36 others, can an explanation be found for the fact that the seismic stations recorded seismic events originating from the WTC sites prior to the aircraft impacts. It seems unlikely that Middle Eastern terrorists could have overcome the WTC security and managed this kind of high level technological coordination. The facts presented here, simple and few, raise the possibility of inside help and involvement in 9/11/01, both before and after the attack.

www.scholarsfor911truth.org...

reply to post by franspeakfree

This is complete and utter garbage, you people need to get a life, rather than sitting in front of a computer trying to preach to all and sundry. As regards to those cartoons, how old are you? cartoons are for children. I was only going to stick around if we were to debate this properly. However, now I see that this thread is full of immature people who don't respect their countries I am out of here, Good bye to you sir.

Franspeakfree was trying out the new techniques she learned in her "Debunking 9/11 Conspiracies for Dummies" book. She has a ways to go before she becomes proficient. However, there are quite a number on ATS who have mastered the techniques of this book.