Natalee Holloway: The Case Reviewed

Thank you all for proving, when their is a blonde damsel in distress, there will always be a heroic knight or a shoulderworthy female emotionally conditioned by the mass media and conventional moral obligations to save the day. Who else would leave with three guys they have never met before at a bar? A slut. Or the typical American teenager by today's standards I guess. I love challenging the grounds of moral tendency.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Paradox.]

reply to post by Paradox.

Who else would leave with three guys they have never met before at a bar? A slut. Or the typical American teenager by today's standards I guess. I love challenging the grounds of moral tendency.

Yes I'm sure those handsome young men had nothing to do with making her feel as though she would be safe and no harm would come to her. Their intentions were made clear before she agreed to leave with them I'm sure. She must have known that what was involved would eventually lead to her death and she agreed that this was the best course of action.

The truth of the matter is that these deviants were predators. They coerced an innocent young woman into leaving with them by means of their wealth and prestige. She felt as though she was with the in-crowd and that there would be plenty of more people where they were going. Yes, she felt safe.

By todays standard, I'd say you have the moral tendency of a jackal for claiming that it was her fault. You have generalized the American teenager in whole because of your pre fabricated outlook on society because you never got what you wanted and had to settle for something else. Your outlook is offensive and not reality.



[edit on 17-2-2010 by jackflap]

reply to post by Paradox.


The only "paradox" here is how in the hell your antiquated moral standards still exists today, in the year 2010. I bet you wouldn't be saying that if that was YOUR daughter now would you? Somebody appears mad at the world.

Chill out, take a look at issues from many perspectives, not just yours.

Thanks for sharing...

reply to post by Paradox.


Yes, it's easy to see you are a veritable monument of morality.

Oh well, as one of my friends reminded me by U2U......about you.....
"Don't feed the trolls".

Peace Out. Perhaps one day you will discover the reasons why you hate women so much, and have so much anger towards them.

reply to post by Hump01


Thank you my old friend! It is always a pleasure to have you comment on one of my threads And as always you bring a level head and a heart of a gold. Hopefully, everyone reads your post and falls in suit with what you said. Beautifully said my friend.


reply to post by LOKI23


Very true! And thank you for posting your experience Very interesting and I also appreciate your comments and thoughts about the situation I agree 100% that they were definately not watched close enough, sadly that was a mistake that they will have to live with.


reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Nicely said my friend Very well said actually. I and many others, especially, Beth Holloway appreciate that post you just made


reply to post by jackflap


Again very well said! and I especially loved this:

You really should get a grip on who and what you are.

A quote that should be post marked for all to read


reply to post by jkrog08


I appreciate your help Krog Some people only see one side of the issue or perhaps they just like to start trouble...

And finally:

reply to post by Paradox.


Please have some respect for the missing I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you had a lapse in judgement here. I will only ask that you clean up your posts and remove the offense remarks in them and perhaps rethink the entire post. Also, please do not call out my investigation techniques. I do not appreciate such personal attacks. And please just have some respect and humanity. Not only would I appreciate that, but your fellow human race would as well.

reply to post by TheMythLives


Myth, I hope you are right, I so hope you are right, and Natalie is still alive, and manages to escape, and will surface again someday to bring justice to this band of psychopathic criminals.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Hopefully one day. Remember Jaycee Lee Dugard who was missing for 18 years and feared dead. Elizabeth Smart who was missing for 9 months and she too was also found dead. It is most certainly possible that she can return. This is of course implying that she is still alive, which I hope is the case. How great would it be to see her return and tell all and bring a big load of justice to those involved.

reply to post by TheMythLives



Hey TML, I just wanna say that I truly admire your efforts to help those in need. In this thread and many others, such as your missing persons thread. Your desire to help your fellow species is excellent, as is your thread presentation, research, and overall abilities.

So regardless of those who have derailed this thread, intentional or not, I applaud you for this and all of your previous efforts. Keep up the GREAT work my good friend!

reply to post by jkrog08

I bet you wouldn't be saying that if that was YOUR daughter now would you?

See I find this funny. You are the contradiction of 2010. This is because life has become so uniform and individualistic. Human race is worried about themselves and rarely thrive on helping others at all unless it will benefit them in some sort of way. Sure, there are a few who go out of their way in good will, but most do not. Now your putting yourself in the position claiming, "If that were my daughter." There is your contradiction. You go about your life as an individual whom does not interact or care much about other people (Not generally close to you) in more than a Two dimensional way. Can you sleep less knowing that this girl is dead? You sleep just fine. Don't pretend that you care just to fill the shoes of a culturally moral society, when the society itself does not give a damn about you or your family (More than Two dimensionally, of course) unless they have some sort of ties to them.

I think it's quite a tangent to go off on, claiming this girl was a victim of human trafficking. She is dead, see the weakness of most general population of course is they want to put a Hollywood spin on everything. Oh, she fell a victim to human trafficking because he wanted to make 10,000 dollars to bring them a blonde. Just be quiet. If they really wanted a blonde, whoever "they" were, they could of found one. Not to mention hiring a 17 year old. That's stupid. And personally if I were the Mother or Father your damn right I would be swinging for all their heads. But that would be out of anger. As for the member who decided to deconstruct my verse like Dr Phil were an active user on ATS, your words fall quite short. They may please the sheep but not the shepherds.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Paradox.]

reply to post by Paradox.

They may please the sheep but not the shepherds.

So I am to assume that you count yourself a shepherd and not a lowly sheep like the rest of us? Well that does explain alot. Good luck with your disorders.

The term "superiority complex", in everyday usage, refers to an overly high opinion of oneself; in psychology, it refers to the unrealistic and exaggerated belief that one is better than others.

reply to post by jkrog08


Krog you know that I appreciate your friendship and continued support with everything on ATS and off of ATS. You are one of the most valuable members here and one of the hardest working, if not the hardest working one here. I appreciate the kind remarks my friend But we need to think of others before ourselves, because if we dont, we are all going to die very alone. A sincere thank you as always.

reply to post by Paradox.


LOL, I am glad you decided to respond to MY post, instead of the FIVE OTHERS. It's been a while since I have obliterated someone.....

It is like THIS..... You are talking in circles, "two dimensional", do you care to explain that EXTREMLY AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT? I hope your not talking about it from a physical standpoint, cause TRUST ME, you DON'T wanna' go there.

Now in regards to your skewed, arbitrary, and illogical response....

It is NOT about what I feel or don't feel, and for you to ASSume what I feel is erroneous. But for YOU to call someone you don't even know, that was likely murdered a "slut" is BEYOND disrespect. Don't try an turn around words on me my friend, you said it, you meant it. You stated that "it served as a nice example for all the sluts"..... WTH???

So YOUR answer to your imposed problem is MURDER as an example? This is NOT about guys coming to some "blond damsel", this is about caring for ALL human beings. Natalee was YOUNG, and full of life. I think you miss the entire point of this... This is not about blond, red, brunette, black, white, Latino, etc.. This is about taking a LIFE....

I am sorry, but let us assume that some "slut" (as you say) comes to me and fools around. Does that mean I am gonna kill her? Hell no.... There is no excuse for this murder/abduction, whatever. Do you not care for human LIFE? Do you not realize how important and precious HUMAN LIFE IS?


In fact your stance is a case of being so absurd I don't know what to say.... In fact, the OP of this thread has been disrupted enough, so I am gonna end this here, but if you wish to formally DEBATE ME than I will take the challenge ASAP. Until then we are DONE....

Again, thanks for sharing...

@themythlives

I have something to ask

It seems someone challenged me to put my money where my mouth was with my RI attempts.

So I am. I know I am breaking what I said about reading and posting here.

Here is what I am attempting to find her then have either her or her body brought home. I know it sounds insane but I only ask that you assume my intentions are benign.

SKL brought up a good point. Feedback is key but dangerous in my attempt.

may I u2u you the results so far or you can read them on the tail end of practicing psychic warfare. I want to test my theories in a live laboratory where I have zero to little chance of polluting my results.

I want to know if anything so far has relevance just a yes or no will suffice.

My plan is to find a little BI^%H in the group and unravel it to where they bring her home. So far I have developed an anxiety over cops and the law. Also since it has started Ive been looking over my shoulder a lot. I think the person who is involved is very afraid.

Thank you for tolerating my insanity.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by ripcontrol]

Let us all take a step back and stop the flow of ignorance on this thread.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Slut

Slut or slattern is a pejorative term meaning an individual who is sexually promiscuous.

The term is generally applied to women and used as an insult or offensive term of disparagement, meaning "dirty or slovenly."

It may also be used as an expression of pride in oneself or envy at the sexual successes of others.

Now, having included that word, whether deserved or not in regards to Natalee Holloway, everyone here now knows the definition, so there's no mis-communication from this point forward.

I am not now nor have I ever thought this young woman was a slut.

To state something like that I have to have known her and she would have had to have been promiscuous, and my not wanting her to be that way, so for each and every person even mentioning that alleged name and disparaging her, I hope you knew her, or you're talking about a potentially missing and or dead person in error.

Judge not lest ye be judged, to each and every person, and stop the de-railing.

That the young woman is missing is a tragedy and as well I am sure heartbreaking to her parents, family, and friends, and that anyone would sleight her irks me.

People speaking ill of a missing person, and potentially a dead person, have zero respect for themselves, let alone the rest of the world, and I can speak about that from the stance of an experienced person who has had to cart away dead bodies.

As a former Security Officer and having to face those families of people who died while in the Emergency Room of a hospital, either because of a tragic car accident, gun shot wound, or some other happening, it is one of those humbling experiences.

Without going into naming names anyone speaking ill of a missing person should be ashamed.

That they are not shows their lack of character, period.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Hey Myth
Once again an awesome thread by you .You amaze me with your investigative skills and you amaze me (because of your age) that you are so loving and considerate of others .That is a rare quality these days among our youth.BRAVO to you my friend .I always look forward to reading your well researched interesting threads.


Since the day I heard about all of this my first thought was she had to have been drugged and raped by all the young men involved (all who supposedly helped dispose of her body).
Or she was sold .


I would sure love to see you do some investigating and make a thread on what you find into the latest on Michael Jackson..Latoya says THEY killed him (who are they ) And was MJ really trying to tell something through his music about TPTB (I have been very interested in that thread since it started today ..VERY INTERESTING STUFF)
Something is very wrong with what happened to him I believe the Dr is a fall guy .
Just like I never believed the official story on Elvis .(Especially after reading the documents where he believed someone was out kill him ).


Anyway AWESOME THREAD>>>>STARRED AND FLAGGED FOR SURE .
And now I am off to read the other threads you gave links to that I havent read yet (Starting with Anna Nicole ).


TO Natalies family .I am sure praying for her to come home alive someday .
Praying for you all to be strong no matter the outcome .God bless you


[edit on 17-2-2010 by Simplynoone]

reply to post by jkrog08


Obliterated? But I am still here. To quote you:

It is like THIS..... You are talking in circles, "two dimensional", do you care to explain that EXTREMLY AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT? I hope your not talking about it from a physical standpoint, cause TRUST ME, you DON'T wanna' go there.

Of course. Two dimensional thinking is the inability to fully capture a situation three dimensionally. (Completely life like) Instead, two dimensional thinking gives us a very jagged and etched out view of the real emotions, feelings, motives and vividly animated three dimensional thought process.

It is NOT about what I feel or don't feel, and for you to ASSume what I feel is erroneous. But for YOU to call someone you don't even know, that was likely murdered a "slut" is BEYOND disrespect. Don't try an turn around words on me my friend, you said it, you meant it. You stated that "it served as a nice example for all the sluts"..... WTH???

Well, other than butchering my quote you did completely miss the point. A teenage blonde girl, went to Aruba and got very intoxicated at a bar. (EDITED: To add the fact that she asked the boy Joran to do body shots off of her). She then wandered off into the night, with three random boys. Entering their vehicle, a dirty bucket of rust, a friend of hers had seen her at this point and claimed that she had looked fine. They then drove her to a beach, obviously she would have depicted this to be a romantic and sexual setting. The boy Joran stated they had sex. A user had indicated the definition of a slut, which included the word promiscuous. Now tell me, how in the hell was that not promiscuous? I am suggesting the girl was on E as well. Experimenting with drugs as a teen, that's actually very common. An overdoes is not a longshot. Maybe the boy had sex with her as she died or did not fully realize she wasn't asleep but dead. That is the only major deviation I could see.

I am sorry, but let us assume that some "slut" (as you say) comes to me and fools around. Does that mean I am gonna kill her? Hell no.... There is no excuse for this murder/abduction, whatever. Do you not care for human LIFE? Do you not realize how important and precious HUMAN LIFE IS?

So you argue on the basis of human life. Are you against the War In Iraq? Are you against Capital Punishment? Does the thought of millions of starving children move you or do you continue to sleep like a Baby at night? I assume you think two dimensionally of all of this tragedy. Thus, you do not act on any of it, you are merely a spokesperson. And spokespeople don't make change in an investigative situation like this. Unbiased conclusions through assessment of human characteristics found in confessionary situations move us closer to the truth. So before you "obliterate me", why don't you consider my logic even if it does not follow the sheepish tone of moral obligation in the AMBIGUOUS culture of 2010.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Paradox.]

reply to post by Paradox.

So you argue on the basis of human life. Are you against the War In Iraq? Are you against Capital Punishment? Does the thought of millions of starving children move you or do you continue to sleep like a Baby at night? I assume you think two dimensionally of all of this tragedy. Thus, you do not act on any of it, you are merely a spokesperson.

Red Herrings, and thus I will not answer. As I said talk to me when you want to formally debate or grow up, either one.

And for the rest of your presumptuous post......

Nuff' said...

reply to post by jkrog08


It is wise to question the basis of your arguments if contradiction is present. This is because it proves that if say, you weren't against the War In Iraq, that you had created a falsified personal claim that had been used to propel your argument. Thus meaning, there is a hole in your premise. Red Herrings maybe, but a distraction not at the slightest

Originally posted by Paradox.
reply to post by jkrog08

It is wise to question the basis of your arguments if contradiction is present. This is because it proves that if say, you weren't against the War In Iraq, that you had created a falsified personal claim that had been used to propel your argument.

AGAIN, Red Herrings and your avoiding the issue. I really don't care what you think or believe on a moral basis. Honestly I was just trying to help you see the fault in your ways. But apparently you don't care or whatever. So do what you do....

Thus meaning, there is a hole in your premise. Red Herrings maybe, but a distraction not at the slightest

AND ON THAT........This "mini-debate" is DONE....LMAO, you just admitted to the fallacies in your entire argument against me. AGAIN, this is about HUMAN LIFE, NOT the Iraq War, abortion, hunger, etc... If you feel all teen girls who may be somewhat promiscuous deserve death then so be it, but don't expect sympathy from others on your part for similar actions you may partake in.

Please don't waste your time and ATS bandwidth replying to this, do it u2u or debate me, other then that this is DONE. I will no longer reply to you, PERIOD.

Have a good life Sir....

And once again, thanks for sharing

[edit on 2/17/2010 by jkrog08]

reply to post by jkrog08


Red Herrings is a distraction, I claim it may be perceived as such. But, though perceived as a distraction, this does not make it such. (In accordance with my argument). But, this is the premise of your argument, to take tiny misconceptions and try to exploit them. Well, I'm here on a broader range of opinion and will keep it that way.

Edited* to Bold my font, in order to appear as compelling as you.

[edit on 17-2-2010 by Paradox.]