Shocking: New Zealand and Australia are out of their place on the map

I would love to see a Risk game board , pre time line change . Just imagine how that would effect the nice little continual bonus you can get from locking up Australia with only 1 front .

In the pre time line change that nicely locked down little corner would be next to impossible to defend

reply to post by keldas


Sorry about the delay in responding. Life, you know?

I still really don't get it. I've continued to read the rest of the posts and I understand that there are people who are perplexed by their experiences.

My interpretation would be not so much an alternate timeline; I mean, what timeline can we consider where complete tectonics are different? Such an alternate timeline would have started considerably earlier. We are talking about an entirely different version of creation (if one is a creationist... earth2.3, perhaps?). If not a creationist, then we are considering a alternate timeline starting several millions of years ago.

It would be reasonable to assume that the liklihood of our realities being so convergent over that timeframe, down even to such quality television as "The Bacherolette", that people can switch from one timeline to another relatively seamlessly is a remote chance, at best.

My interpretation (trying to be open-minded here) is an alternate universe! No evidence or explainations from me, but possibly something to consider?

There was a response to my last post that suggested that the climates would have been different in an alternate timeline, thus justifying the geological convergence in appearance between earth1.0 and earth1.1. This would mean that the polar regions would be in different locations, as the proposed location of NZ is almost on the equator. I recall that other posters are adamant that it is only the NZ-Oz translation that concerns them. Yes I do acknowledge that some have noted that relocation of Hawaii also. If Only NZ-Oz (and Hawaii) are different, then the different climate model does not wash as this would impact on all land masses on the globe.

NZ does have a lot of lakes, they are simply not large. Many in South Island are glacial in origin. Glaciers do not occur near the equator, unless they are very high, like the ones in Kilomanjaro.

My last question in this ramble is: If NZ & Australia are in different locations in another reality, and have been exposed to different climates, do they appear different in geology as well as geography?

BTW... For many Australians, Tasmania doesn't exist in this timeline either!

Cheers


[edit on 13-3-2010 by firstlight]

OCTOTOM: I think you have it nailed!


I think your analysis is astute and correct, so it was just the way Oz an NZ were presented that has changed.

Phew, we're safe..

as a slight aside, with regard to pangea. have you seen the Expanding Earth Theory?
Expanding Earth

Haven't been here in a while to check out this thread (frustrated), but I am glad to see that quite a few more people have posted about feeling the same way we do.
And I see there are still the same old arguments against us (bad geography skills, bad maps, etc).
Honestly, if I didn't have a friend who lived in New Zealand and who would have me look at maps of the country when she was going on vacation to show me where she was going, I *would* chalk it up to poor geography skills.
I just wonder what else has changed that I have been oblivious to.
Keep fighting the good fight on here!

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Maybe the "LHC - THE LARGE HADRON COLLIDER" lhc.web.cern.ch... can be somewhat responsible for the
possible Timeline/Parallel universe shift?

Honestly, I don't really have any theories about what could cause something like this to happen. But if I had to go with one, the LHC would definitely be at the top of the list.
I know there are articles upon articles about how the thing is safe, and so on and so on, but the thing has made me uneasy since the first day I heard about it.
I just saw a news article about the LHC saying that it's closed down now for a least a year, though, which makes me feel a lot better.

i can come up with 4 possible explanations.
1. it really moved
2. it didnt move, and your crazy, as am i since i remember it being NW fo australia
3. the map you saw was of Aus and NZ as viewed from the southern hemisphere, their juxtaposition would be reversed as seen from the northern hemisphere.
4. the map was too small , and NZ got shoved into one of thos boxes liek hawaii and alaska ona small map fo the us, jsut seem to be floating somwerhe in the pacific.

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just wanted to share my experience. My mom recently went on a trip to visit a friend in New Zealand. Just for fun, I pulled up a world map and was surprised to see NZ south of AUS. I could have sworn before this that it was to the north west. At the time, I dismissed it as faulty memory but after seeing this thread I'm beginning to wonder.

[edit on 17-3-2010 by ampaf707]

I think all of the people who keep insisting that NZ hasn't moved may be missing the point. He isn't suggesting that NZ has moved. He is suggesting that perhaps a parallel dimension(s) or alternate reality/timeline would explain the fact that many people (myself included) have a strong recollection of NZ being north-west of Australia, and Australia looking a bit different and being in a more southern and isolated location.

If what he is suggesting is true, there would be no physical evidence (alternate maps, etc.), as these people would be remembering some other parallel universe or timeline.

Originally posted by HeardTheOwl
Haven't been here in a while to check out this thread (frustrated), but I am glad to see that quite a few more people have posted about feeling the same way we do.
And I see there are still the same old arguments against us (bad geography skills, bad maps, etc).
Honestly, if I didn't have a friend who lived in New Zealand and who would have me look at maps of the country when she was going on vacation to show me where she was going, I *would* chalk it up to poor geography skills.
I just wonder what else has changed that I have been oblivious to.
Keep fighting the good fight on here!

Nothing else has changed.

By the way, thats a nice looking kitten in your avatar.

aurora australis anyone? why was it called australis? not antarctic? you can't see the aurora from australia, it's too far from it! that is because in another timeline australia was further south and you could see the aurora from the southern point
makes total sense they kept 'australis" so not to confuse us more than we already are
australia used to be really close to antarctica in MY timeline, i don't say it "moved" just like that....
but definitely something is going on
some say in 2012 we'll have a merging or realities, timelines, and we will defeat the evil forces.
the good will prevail

Originally posted by raynemarina
aurora australis anyone? why was it called australis? not antarctic?

Without taking sides in this thread, I just want to make a language point.
"Australis" and "Australia" are both derived from the Latin word meaning "south". They are not directly named after each other

[edit on 18-3-2010 by DISRAELI]

reply to post by bryan2006


My understanding of geography is dumber than thought after reading this post. I too have studied maps before on my own but clearly not enough as seen by my reality vs. what I was thinking:

Reality:


Imagined:


I thought a few years back I looked at New Zealand on Google Earth and studied it for about 10 to 30 minutes. You would think I would have noticed it was SE of Australia rather than NE of Australia. I also remember it being about 300 to 700 miles away... not over 1,000. I'll go ahead and chalk it up to stupidity, given I also thought both South Korea and Taiwan were on the South side of China! I also thought that Japan and China shared the same sea whereas they really only are adjacent by the South tip of China.

Last year at work I met someone who insisted Costa Rica was an island and was so insistent that I decided to check a map several times

Edit - I also remember researching the CIA world fact book and seeing photos. The CIA fact book reported that the area was rich in minerals with a temperate climate. I saw pictures of New Zealand and wished I was living there after seeing the sharply rolling hills covered in a lush green.

Edit2 - As for Australia, my memory is foggy but it seems like it should be 75% desert and 25% forest. In winter there would be snow cover likely in most areas at one time or another during the winter. I moderately remember the "handle" of Australia being on the bottom-left. So basically I seem to have a faint memory of draw it with a sort of quasi-dyslexia... mirrored and flipped.

Maybe there is something about the specifics of the geography that make the area easy to remember incorrectly... to be honest I find it deeply annoying that NZ is so damned far from AU.

I've always been fascinated by geography and while I've never in my life been required to study it (except for US states), I believe that I know it a lot better than the average person chosen at random from anywhere in the world. I'm somewhat insulted by the notion about "how can I be so terrible at geography". First of all its questionable whether global geography has any practical application and secondly is not fair to say my geography is terrible when I can label the vast majority of countries just fine on a map except African countries (which I do know to a degree) and Eastern Europe which honestly I know very little about.

People are getting aggravated that their questions are being "ignored" but the fact is most people don't know much at all about the climates of foreign countries.

While the time-line shift idea is intriguing I think both myself and others who are shocked about the reality of the geography of the situation are just as or more likely to believe its simply a strange memory glitch natural to humans.

[edit on 19-3-2010 by truthquest]

Originally posted by Balanced
I think all of the people who keep insisting that NZ hasn't moved may be missing the point. He isn't suggesting that NZ has moved. He is suggesting that perhaps a parallel dimension(s) or alternate reality/timeline would explain the fact that many people (myself included) have a strong recollection of NZ being north-west of Australia, and Australia looking a bit different and being in a more southern and isolated location.

If what he is suggesting is true, there would be no physical evidence (alternate maps, etc.), as these people would be remembering some other parallel universe or timeline.

THANK YOU, Balanced. You summed it up perfectly.
All of these people asking where our "proof" is...there isn't any. I just *know* for a fact that New Zealand was NW of Australia, and not where it appears now, and I know this because I looked at a map of that country several, several times in the past and I know where it is supposed to be.
As to WHY it's not there anymore, I have no clue. The whole "parallel dimension" thing is little too much like a bad SyFy Channel movie to me. All I know is that it's not where I remember it being.
Unfortunately, the only proof I have are the memories of looking at the maps that I (along with some others) remember.
If it WAS just me, I would chalk it up to a bad memory or something, but the fact that there are quite a few of us who remember it this way is something that I feel is significant and is pretty much being blown off.

Sorry to be so late. Love to all.
I am in the "Australia was indicated to be in the middle of the ocean and rounder-shaped" group. I would have sworn it. I could draw it on paper right now ! How did it get so close to everything else? What is that poinky thing? I do agree maybe our older maps showed it that way, but it is so close to other land and that is different!
On another note, here is another recollection ! My Mom flew to Oz in the 80s. She told me it took about 24 hours to get there. I was shocked she could make it, as she is a smoker, and they were changing smoking rules on flights back then. I always remembered that.
I looked it up now-about 14 to 15 hours, LA to OZ. Huh? Another poster mentioned this also, flight time different!
Finally, I read this thread and called my best friend who had phoned me when Billy Graham died. She says it was someone else. ! ? I recall distinctly telling her that my Aunt had Mr. Graham over to her house years ago, and did not care for him too much. I do not know how to resolve this memory.
Well, at least my kids stuck with me. And some of you guys. Peace ! One Love !

I too could have sworn that New Zealand was to the Northwest and Australia does indeed seem to have been much more isolated in my memory.

I was seriously considering moving to NZ several years ago, and did a lot of reading and map gazing at the time, and this is rather freaking me out.

This is so bizarre how so many people remember the same thing(including myself). I thought I had lost my mind until I found this thread. I hope there is some way to figure out if something did happen or if we all just fail at geography.

I have simple proof. I just popped into the other timeline and brought back this map:




Edit: that's better



[edit on 18/3/2010 by rnaa]

Originally posted by truthquest

Oh my!!

I was looking at this area the other day and thinking exactly what you've done there, I really did think Japan was further south and I live in Australia so see this map area quite often.
I'm sure it was only recently this area changed in my perception, like months rather than years.

Very weird, I just can't convince myself that it is all due to faulty memory by so many people, and we can't all be hallucinating

PQ

PS forgot to add that NZ is not that far off for me, I just thought it was closer to us, and maybe a little further north.

[edit on 19/3/2010 by PennyQ]

Ha! Found it. Okay not the best example, but I'm guessing a persual of some old atlases may provide further evidence


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From: www.esd.ornl.gov...




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