Free Energy DIY kit with video!

For example, IF I could say that not only do I have the money ready but also three or four volunteer builder/testers lined up for the testing/vetting process, that would probably go a long way

I agree, and recommend you contact members like Freezer and try to push Redneck a bit (as a Mod who's actually walking the walk regarding FE).

The intellectualites (is that a word?) that are more common on ATS do not seem interested in getting their hands dirty and appear more content to stand on some high ground taking pot shots at the ones putting it on the line - at least that's been my experience in 3 years at ATS.

There are exceptions of course. Did you U2U everyone who contributed in a positive way to my thread?

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If I can squeeze some time a bit later, I'll reply to your posts. at the moment I have to 'step away from the PC'.

RT

Originally posted by RogerT
The point is to demonstrate, that the energy being put into the charging battery, as measured using time, ameter and voltmeter, is less than the energy you get out, as measured in the same way.

There you have a problem. A voltmeter and ampmeter are designed to measure steady state dc, or ac. The AC also must be a sine wave, they cannot accurately measure a square wave They are not designed to, nor are unable to measure accurate pulsed dc. For that you would need a storage CRO.

So you "power" measurements are useless, you are not showing the power going into the battery accurately.

which I think he suggests come from the vaccuum as a result of the collapse of the coil,

Simply back EMF, not from any vacuum or "radiant energy"

These spikes tend to be around 400V DC and can be seen on a scope.

but are not counted accurately by your voltmeter or ampmeter

[edit on 12/2/10 by dereks]

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by RogerT
What I typed was: "The SSG is NOT supposed to be an overunity machine, mine certainly isn't. "

...and you also said this:

I think I already did say that when modified, the motor can be looped into a self runner

where on this page did I post that?

Here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Frankly even a simple oscilloscope will do if used properly. You can trace current and voltage pulses on paper (nice to have at least two-trace scope) and then do the math on these two shapes.

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At last, someone is thinking! Thank you. You have just said almost exactly what I've been saying over and over again in this thread and my other.

The only difference we now have, is that you assign the pulse spike to back EMF (am I correct?), which is specifically denied and demonstrated to NOT be the case by Bedini.

I don't wish to try to be the middle man for this information, so if you're are committed enough to this conversation, or curious enough to get a different view, then I can look back through my notes and find the relevant links or sources for you to explore.

[edit on 12/2/10 by RogerT]

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by RogerT

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by RogerT
What I typed was: "The SSG is NOT supposed to be an overunity machine, mine certainly isn't. "

...and you also said this:

I think I already did say that when modified, the motor can be looped into a self runner

where on this page did I post that?

Here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

errm, that is a link to a different page.

Are you this inaccurate with your experimental physics documentation?

Originally posted by RogerT
The only difference we now have, is that you assign the pulse spike to back EMF (am I correct?), which is specifically denied and demonstrated to NOT be the case by Bedini.

I don't wish to try to be the middle man for this information, so if you're are committed enough to this conversation, or curious enough to get a different view, then I can look back through my notes and find the relevant links or sources for you to explore.

I think if you can find something that shows that the "spikes" are not simply back-EMF as TheRedneck and others are saying, that would definitely be worthwhile.

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But the spikes are back-EMF, by definition.

It works like this: any conductor, like a wire, carrying current, produces a magnetic field radially around that conductor. This magnetic field has energy, which comes form the electrical current itself. A coil of wire intensifies this energy by focusing it along the axis of the coil. Conversely, any changing magnetic field at right angles to a conductor will create an electrical current, in proportion to the speed at which the magnetic field changes.

All this is old science. It is the basis for every transformer in every piece of electrical equipment you have, as well as the power transformers that supply electrical power to your home.

Now, when a coil is de-energized, the magnetic field starts to collapse. That is by definition a change in the magnetic field inside it. This change in the magnetic field creates a current in the coil with a reverse polarity to the original electric field used to energize it in the first place. The electrical current produced then tries to establish another magnetic field, which creates a current in the coil, and so on. What results is a reverse voltage spike from a de-energizing coil that can exceed the original voltage many times over, but will always have less energy (wattage) than the original electrical signal. Efficiency is not 100%, so this oscillation dies down rapidly after the first spike.

This phenomenon is not new by any means. It is the basis for almost all of Nikola Tesla's work. It is responsible for the operation of transformers, inductors, oscillators, etc. No transmission of AC power would be possible without it, and radio would probably never been invented without it, as it is the basis for older tank oscillators. Do a search on "impedance" and "solenoid design" and you will find many many great works that explain this in greater detail than my simplified explanation above.

Again, this is not an attempt to say the Bedini design is not possible, but rather an attempt to understand whether it is possible and how to better use it. Saying the coils produce a voltage spike but no back-EMF is like saying "I have a thing in front of my house that uses gasoline to move itself and anyone in it along the ground at highway speeds... but it is not a car! It is an unknown phenomenon!"

TheRedneck
Edit: transformer, not transistor.


[edit on 2/12/2010 by TheRedneck]

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Conversely, any changing magnetic field at right angles to a conductor will create an electrical current, in proportion to the speed at which the magnetic field changes.

All this is old science. It is the basis for every transistor in every piece of electrical equipment you have

RedNeck,
transistors do not rely on magnetic field for their operation.

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Yeah, I caught that... a little late apparently.

I thought 'transformer' but typed 'transistor'. Hey, I'm a tech, not a teacher!

TheRedneck

Originally posted by RogerT
errm, that is a link to a different page.

Are you this inaccurate with your experimental physics documentation?

and are you as much of a demagogue in daily life? You did say that, and you also said

I'll state one more time for you my limited understanding: The SSG experiment is designed simply to expose the existence of radiant energy and demonstrate one way to tap it. The motor setup itself is not designed to be looped, but that doesn't mean it can't be developed into a form that can be looped.

XL5 went to a length, to explain one experiment that doesn't quite involve looping that would still demonstrate you extract energy from nothing. I'm sure you found an excuse to not do it.


[edit on 12-2-2010 by buddhasystem]

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* What type of magnets did you use? Do you have any idea of the strength of the magnets (in MgOe units) or how much flux they are putting out (Weber units)?

c8 ceramic ~3/4" diameter disc, not sure of the guass, but I'd guess around 4000.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* What is the diameter of the wheel?

10", magnet centered at 1" from outer diameter. He specifies the the distance the magnets should be from one another in the pdf. A lot of people use a bicycle wheels which is practical, and usually have good bearings.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* How many magnets are you using?

8

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* How many coils are you using?

2

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* How did you assemble the core? Welding rods as Bedini recommends, or laminations?

Soft iron rods cut with a dremel tool.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* What air gap does your machine have between the core and the magnets at their closest point?

~1/8"

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* How have you verified that the secondary battery is being charged more than the drive battery is being discharged?

I haven't. If I had the proper amount of money it would be different. I've also learned a lot more since building the motor, and can see the benefits and faults of the way I built it. If built one today it would be a lot different.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* What rotation speed is it running at (approximately at least)?

No idea, no tachometer.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* (I am assuming a standard 13.8V lead-acid battery here) Do you have an idea of the number of watts that the unit is putting out to recharge the secondary battery?

I don't have scope, so I have no idea. My motor is not ideal, as you want as many coils, as you can afford, with the circuits to go with it. Although they have moved to solid state Bedini chargers, so a moving rotor is no longer needed.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
* (Same assumption as the last question) Do you have any idea how many watts of input power from the drive battery is being consumed?

The range on mine at 12v consumes around 80-700mA depending on resistance setting charging a 12v la. You can also run it down to 4.5-6v for smaller batteries. I've seen other guys build smaller ones which could run from 2AA's. But you probably want to scale up, not down. Of course all this means nothing, you want to go by what Bedini specifies and what is laid out in his pdf.

files.abovetopsecret.com...
files.abovetopsecret.com...

Oscilloscopes can be bought cheaply on eBay. I used to like Tektronix. Even older models in good working conditions will do wonders for you guys, and is a useful tool in general.

Bah,

you'll need an inverter to convert that DC energy these magic giant Stator cores are suppose to create. Unless you want to rewire your entire house for DC current. None of that looks to free.


Best bet is to go out and buy a 5kw PV solar array with a sunnyboy inverter, and put that up. Do it without getting credits from you electric company because if you do if the power on the grid goes out and you do not have battery back ups you will not have power. Suprise your really not off the grid.

Me myself, have a few PV panels on my sailboat to keep my battery charged without having to waste my diesel when I go sailing..

I would not trust this alternative link for energy..

Saying the coils produce a voltage spike but no back-EMF is like saying "I have a thing in front of my house that uses gasoline to move itself and anyone in it along the ground at highway speeds... but it is not a car! It is an unknown phenomenon!"

Oops, my mis-communication yet again!

What I meant to convey is that Bedini states that the phenomenon he is claiming is radiant energy is not back EMF, not that there is NO back EMF. So there is back EMF and there is radiant energy! That's what he says, not me!

I will see if I can dig up where I saw/heard/read that particular info and supply the source for you to check out yourself.

[edit on 12/2/10 by RogerT]

OK, I am pretty sure I saw John talk about the whole concept of back emf, and why the SSG produces a distinct phenomenon in one of the energy from the vacuum videos.

Unfortunately I have 7 of them on my HD and they are 90 minutes each!

Regardless, I am a bit surprised Redneck that you haven't been intrigued to watch any of them. I'm sure you would find it worth your time.

Try number 7, which is John's interpretation and explanation and experimentation with Tesla's impulse technology. He does go into the radiant spikes in that one also, maybe the back emf too, but I really don't have the time right now to rewatch it all.

I believe the EFTV series is still easily available from bit-torrent, if not from youtube.

If the magic process of absorption of Radiant Energy happens inside the magic battery, why do we need the spinning wheel at all?

Aha, I found something. 50 minutes into the EFTV no.7 Bedini uses a 'bedini-cole window motor' to demonstrate the difference between back emf and what he terms -ve or radiant energy or Tesla's impulse technology.

he keeps the camera running whilst he converts the window motor into a monopole system and visually demonstrates the 'gathering of energy' that occurs when going from a closed loop system to an open loop system.

I wish I had subs that I could paste for you guys. If I try to precis the text I'll just cause more misunderstandings, but he doesn't stop talking so it's a bit too much for me to create a transcript.

Anyway, at least you now know where to find the info if it's of interest.

All the best
RT

[edit on 12/2/10 by RogerT]

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Cause it's an easy way to create the sharp transients over and over again?