Free Energy DIY kit with video!

Originally posted by RogerT
What I meant to convey is that Bedini states that the phenomenon he is claiming is radiant energy is not back EMF, not that there is NO back EMF. So there is back EMF and there is radiant energy! That's what he says, not me!

I was just watching EFTV Part 6 again, and starting at about 3:23, he basically says there's NO back-EMF in his Monopole systems.

God this is confusing!

Well clearly Bedini believes that the "radiant spikes" aren't merely back-EMF and, like Steorn, he also claims to have found a way to eliminate the back-EMF.....

reply to post by RogerT

Oops, my mis-communication yet again!

English (or any linguistic communication for that matter) is inherently imprecise. That's why I prefer mathematics. It is a much more precise language.

What I meant to convey is that Bedini states that the phenomenon he is claiming is radiant energy is not back EMF, not that there is NO back EMF. So there is back EMF and there is radiant energy! That's what he says, not me!

Still, he is showing a typical, predictable back-EMF. What he claims it to be is in the end irrelevant. It operates like back-EMF; it looks like back-EMF; it follows the expected patterns of back-EMF. Ergo, it is back-EMF.

And again, that is not to say that his design does not work. I do have an open mind toward it, but using the language that he is using, his explanations run entirely counter to physical laws... and not just the infamous Second Law of Thermodynamics. You mentioned earlier how you were glad that you had not been 'indoctrinated', but in the process of avoiding that indoctrination you may well have missed out on information you need.

Anyone can avoid school. The trick is to get the information needed without falling into the trap of being told what is and is not possible without sufficient proof of such.

TheRedneck

RogerT, I hear people in this thread and your thread "free energy DIY anyone?" and I have to debunk it as I know why this "extra" energy is seen. There is locked up CHEMICAL energy that was already there and this device allows you to use some, that is all.

Even "new" lead acid batteries are not at 100% performance depending on where you got it from. If lead acid batteries were perfect all up untill the point they were dead, there would be no magical device that is meant to charge them and get at that locked up energy.

One very common failure mode of lead acid batteries I have found is that they will not draw much current when charging. Thus, they don't charge OR output the same power/energy as they would normally if they were just made at the factory. When new, lead acid batteries have a very low internal resistance lets say about 0.01-0.7 ohm, over time (not on a charger) and abuse, that resistance goes to about 50 ohms. If you connect 14.2 volts across 0.01-0.7 ohms, you get 1420-20amps, across 50ohms, you get 0.28amps. When a totally dead battery is at 50 ohms internal resistance, it will not take a charge or release the charge even though it measures 12.8volts, put 400volt pulses across 50 ohms and you get current pulses of 8 amps. It also seems to lower the internal resistance of the battery faster then a normal charger because it can pass some current to the battery because it uses a high voltage pulse of 400volts.

The "extra" energy was in the battery to begin with, you just couldn't see or measure it. $4000 for a battery restorer seems like a rip off, you could buy ALOT of batteries for $4000 AND a smart charger that keeps the batteries at a low internal resistance.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Still, he is showing a typical, predictable back-EMF. What he claims it to be is in the end irrelevant. It operates like back-EMF; it looks like back-EMF; it follows the expected patterns of back-EMF. Ergo, it is back-EMF.

Okay, I'm wondering if all this has something to do with the fact that Bedini does not use closed-loop circuits. Maybe using open circuits allows the system to pick up energy [from the vacuum] somehow?

Originally posted by MajorDisaster

Originally posted by RogerT
What I meant to convey is that Bedini states that the phenomenon he is claiming is radiant energy is not back EMF, not that there is NO back EMF. So there is back EMF and there is radiant energy! That's what he says, not me!

I was just watching EFTV Part 6 again, and starting at about 3:23, he basically says there's NO back-EMF in his Monopole systems.

God this is confusing!

No, it's my fault again.

Please remove the 'That's what he says, not me!' from my quote.

The first sentence in my quote is accurate, the rest is my supposition. Sorry again.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
And again, that is not to say that his design does not work. I do have an open mind toward it, but using the language that he is using, his explanations run entirely counter to physical laws... and not just the infamous Second Law of Thermodynamics.

You see, again, that can be down to hearsay, which is why I urge you to watch one or two of the videos rather than responding to comments and opinions from people like me with no real understanding of what's going on.

Get it from the horse's mouth, not a horse's arse

You mentioned earlier how you were glad that you had not been 'indoctrinated', but in the process of avoiding that indoctrination you may well have missed out on information you need.

Well I've definitely been made to eat those words in this thread

I guess what I meant to say, was that not being trained to believe something is 'impossible' hasn't got in the way of some direct experience. Of course, it's preferable to have the knowlege and the open mind, but I notice that often the two are mutually exclusive. As soon as we think we know something, it's much easier to defend that knowlege than look for a new explanation.

Anyone can avoid school. The trick is to get the information needed without falling into the trap of being told what is and is not possible without sufficient proof of such.

TheRedneck

Absolutely, that's why I posted on ATS

Edit to add:

Still, he is showing a typical, predictable back-EMF. What he claims it to be is in the end irrelevant. It operates like back-EMF; it looks like back-EMF; it follows the expected patterns of back-EMF. Ergo, it is back-EMF.

I wanted to add a small comment about this.
In the video EFTV 7, Bedini talks a bit about back-EMF in one of the motors, shows how it looks on the scope, then shows the contrast with 'radiant' energy on another motor, again on the scope.

He then goes on to convert the former motor into a similar setup as the latter, as further demonstration.

If John's aware enough of back-EMF to create motors to run without it, or motors to capture it and convert it into useable work, point it out on a scope, write books about it, be credited by other published electronics 'experts' as having superior knowlege and experience on the subject etc etc, it's a bit of stretch to think he has just mistaken one thing for another isn't it?

[edit on 13/2/10 by RogerT]

Originally posted by XL5
RogerT, I hear people in this thread and your thread "free energy DIY anyone?" and I have to debunk it as I know why this "extra" energy is seen. There is locked up CHEMICAL energy that was already there and this device allows you to use some, that is all.

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The "extra" energy was in the battery to begin with, you just couldn't see or measure it. $4000 for a battery restorer seems like a rip off, you could buy ALOT of batteries for $4000 AND a smart charger that keeps the batteries at a low internal resistance.

Well I could go with that if it were just one or two cycles and the battery were old.

What if this is a brand new battery, and the results remain consistent over continuous charging and discharging.

Surely at some point, this latent energy that you speak of would be 'used up'?

i have succesfully modified my bedini sg with the hall sensor ic, it switches with north and south (es211 www.eastera.com.cn... ), i put 2 power coils with two mosfets irf740b, 12 volts battery, a voltage divider for irf740b (basically two resistors), it draws 200ma at 12v and it run like a tornado and have significant torque, and the back emf production is ok, plus i have a additional coil on the back of the power coil, YES on the back and is producing some unusual power 6 volts 100 ma.

www.energeticforum.com...

I posted the above quote from Peter Lindeman's energetic forum, simply to show that it is not just idiots like me that tinker with Bedini motors, but also people who seem to understand the concept of back-EMF.

Redneck, I would suggest you'd find a receptive and intelligent home for your curiosity there, if you'd like to take it further.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Response to get this into my favorites. The websites and photos look legit. I don't believe in "free" energy, but I certainly believe in much more efficient energy and I am working toward being off-grid.

I will check back later after the "debunkers" have their say and I can sift through the pros and cons, lol!

dont believe in free engery .. sorry I just had to laugh.. since.. well... the sun shines every single ......day..

I also have a radiant energy meter if any person would like to buy one. It also looks like a piece of rope and clothspins, but it too is very high tech. They are only $700.00 Compare the price to the other radiant energy meters and you will want mine.