Free Energy DIY kit with video!

reply to post by TheRedneck


I understand. Bedini is asking people to take somewhat of a leap of faith.

But, you have said yourself that magnetism isn't well understood by science either, but that doesn't stop us from developing technology that makes use of it.

A person who has never heard a radio before would not be inclined to believe that radio waves exist until you show them a radio......

Originally posted by LeeTheDestroyer
reply to post by (C2C)

 

Ladies and gentlemen, please direct your attention to the provided link.

www.phact.org...

Ah...the power of google.

case closed.

Well the 'power' of google is that any idiot can type in a few letter, read a few lines, and think they have gained some knowlege.

I read your linked 'article' Lee, and it is clearly written by someone with little or no experience, cherry picking quotes out of context to make an inaccurate point appear valid.

It seems I am still the ONLY ATS member over the past 3 years who has bothered to take a mere weekend to build one of Bedini's motors and discover first hand that EVERYTHING Bedini claims about it is verifiable.

Shame on all you so called debunkers and scam shouters!

I even posted my own personal results here on ATS and asked for you cleverer folk to explain where the 'extra' energy comes from, and though one or two took a poke at it, non could explain it.

Bedini says it's radiant energy or energy from the vacuum, maybe he's right, maybe not, but a scammer I very much doubt.

The SSG certainly produces something that isn't measurable with an Ameter or Voltmeter, but is visible on a scope apparently, although I didn't invest in that.

I challenge all you armchair skeptics and debunkers (Redneck not included - I know you're a serious hands-on fellow) to spend 50 bucks and a weekend and build an SSG, then spend a month testing it, and then come back here and cry scam with something more than hot air, if you still feel that way.

If you're too bone idle or incompetent for that, then at least go check my posted results in my thread, (please read the whole thing so I don't have to repeat my responses to others), and when you have something intelligent to contribute, feel free to add to the thread or to this one.

/rant

[edit on 11/2/10 by RogerT]

Originally posted by RogerT
It seems I am still the ONLY ATS member over the past 3 years who has bothered to take a mere weekend to build one of Bedini's motors and discover first hand that EVERYTHING Bedini claims about it is verifiable.
......
I even posted my own personal results here on ATS and asked for you cleverer folk to explain where the 'extra' energy comes from,

Why havent you applied for and won the JREF $1million challenge then? All you have to do is show overunity, and $1million is yours!

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by MajorDisaster

He says in the video...

That is the key... He says...

I would expect the number of interested people to be more in the millions at least if this was a proven design. hundreds can be fooled; millions would be more difficult.

Again, the device is patented, so it cannot be reproduced for commercial exploit without Bedini's authorization... why not publish the plans? Why not go into production of units, either by Bedini himself or by authorized manufacturers? There is a veritable fortune available for anyone who successfully creates 'free' energy, and yet he is making money by overcharging for components and selling kits using welding rods for a core material? It simply doesn't make business sense.

TheRedneck

Bedini doesn't strike me as the quintessential businessman, neither does Friedrick. If you pay attention to the videos, Bedini is almost childlike, and would probably respond better to appreciation from someone who can understand him than dollars. Friedrick is a stereotypical nerdy sidekick.

Now that other guy, Bearden, I'm not so sure about

Originally posted by Freezer
reply to post by MajorDisaster

 

Yes, building it is the only way to know. Of course the sg is only the mini version of the larger coil machine, and there's really no limit. I've have built only a 2 coil Bedini motor,

My deepest apologies Freezer, I wasn't aware you had built one too.

And then there were 2!

I'm still reading the thread, so my initial rant may prove to have been a bit premature.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Freezer

Sorry you have no excuse to be "skeptical." If you want to know if it works, build one. Bedini has "freely" provided the schematic on the web in many places. You can build one for less than $100, I've seen kids build these out of scrap parts, so I would think if you wanted, you could too.

I have to ask: have you built a working Bedini motor?

I have spent over 30 years building various energy-production units, and so far all of them have failed except for a few that had inherent problems with self-destructive aspects of their operation. The best results I have obtained have been via my own designs; therefore I focus on them.

It is very easy to say "just build one", but there are limits to what one man can accomplish and literally thousands of ideas out there. I can spend my life building things that others have dreamed up but cannot fully explain, or I can focus my energies on things which have a more scientific basis. I choose the latter. I do, however, keep an open mind. So if you would like to build one of these things and present it for testing, please, feel free to do so.

I have more exciting things in the works.

TheRedneck

Redneck, I'm losing faith in you bro'

We had this discussion a year ago, I told you a total noob like me did it in a weekend. For you it should be something you knock out before breakfast.

The excuse you gave back then was that you had cracked Free Energy yourself and were just now working on patent protection yada yada.

hmmmm .....

Hi RogerT, I do remember your "Free Energy DIY" thread and I was wondering if you would show up in any of these Bedini discussions. Glad to have you here

Bedini says it's radiant energy or energy from the vacuum, maybe he's right, maybe not, but a scammer I very much doubt.

The SSG certainly produces something that isn't measurable with an Ameter or Voltmeter, but is visible on a scope apparently, although I didn't invest in that.

Yeah, this is the thing. How to prove a new form of energy when we don't even have instruments to properly measure it?

I challenge all you armchair skeptics and debunkers (Redneck not included - I know you're a serious hands-on fellow) to spend 50 bucks and a weekend and build an SSG, then spend a month testing it, and then come back here and cry scam with something more than hot air, if you still feel that way.

I applaud your challenge. Maybe we need to get a few people building the $50 unit before we make the jump to the $4000 unit

Hi Major D

It's good to be back, briefly.

To all the debunkers and armchair skeptics:

I'm not going to respond to any more arseholic comments in this thread unless the commenter has at least made the effort to view the results I posted in my thread (linked in sig)

I put a great deal of effort into providing as much detail as my limited technical knowlege allows - I'd appreciate the respect of at least taking a peak at it before slamming my contributions to this thread.

That said, you'll probably get more sense out of Freezer, who has already made quite an effort to clarify some of the confusion

Well apparently me referring to an actual build of a Bedini motor and posted results in an earilier ATS thread is off topic, so I guess there is not much point me hanging around here.

Good luck guys and gals.

ciao.

Originally posted by RogerT
Well apparently me referring to an actual build of a Bedini motor and posted results in an earilier ATS thread is off topic, so I guess there is not much point me hanging around here.

Hmm?

The mods aren't letting you link back to your Free Energy DIY Anyone? thread?

What gives?

question here.....
on this little machine that is shown...what would happen if the shaft was one polarity and the round piece was the opposite (magnetic ballbearings)?

by what I understand, once you got that shaft turning, it would turn just about forever, since there is no friction.

the reason I am asking is that I think someone (or company is trying to make this, only with the magnetic ball bearing, and on a much larger scale.

could it be that ya, it works, in a big way, they are just leaving out that one little detail?

Originally posted by TheRedneck
Ironically, I have the exact same problem with the 'strong' and 'weak' nuclear forces and the phenomena known as 'dark energy'.

Strong and weak forces are manifested in observable phenomena. As an example, a neutrino can be converted into a lepton when interacting with matter, and this is because of weak interaction. As a very distant analogy, think of a photoelectric effect, which is the result of electromagnetic force. Strong interaction is responsible for scattering of protons, for example, on nuclear targets. Again, we observe this by looking at interaction, and analyzing what went into the reaction and what came out. All of this is is observable, in stark contrast to the "Radiant energy" cr@p.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
All of this is is observable, in stark contrast to the "Radiant energy" cr@p.

Yeah, Radiant energy never does anything observable like making bright green flashes of light in the air outside Westinghouse generators or anything like that..............

Originally posted by dawnstar
question here.....
on this little machine that is shown...what would happen if the shaft was one polarity and the round piece was the opposite (magnetic ballbearings)?

by what I understand, once you got that shaft turning, it would turn just about forever, since there is no friction.

the reason I am asking is that I think someone (or company is trying to make this, only with the magnetic ball bearing, and on a much larger scale.

could it be that ya, it works, in a big way, they are just leaving out that one little detail?

There's still air friction, but I guess you could put it in a vacuum, I agree magnetic bearings are the way to go, no maintenance like oil, and pretty much no friction. Did you hear what Bedini said on the video? Run a low consumption pump and the system would keep running.. I wouldn't doubt it, given how many coils he's running.

So you are basically paying 4k for about a small pumps worth of free energy from the environment. While that is a milestone, I believe that is still too expensive to make an real impact, but I think Bedini and others will continue to improve, and perhaps in the near future we will see it become cheap and it will spread like a wildfire.

Originally posted by RogerT

Now that other guy, Bearden, I'm not so sure about

Bearden's Leet. Mr. particle beam.

[edit on 11-2-2010 by Freezer]

reply to post by RogerT

So you are saying that you have a working Bedini motor as well? That is definitely interesting. Did you build it from a kit or from scratch? And if you don't mind, I am interested in some specifics (Freezer, feel free to add your answers as well):

• What type of magnets did you use? Do you have any idea of the strength of the magnets (in MgOe units) or how much flux they are putting out (Weber units)?
  
  
• What is the diameter of the wheel?
  
  
• How many magnets are you using?
  
  
• How many coils are you using?
  
  
• How did you assemble the core? Welding rods as Bedini recommends, or laminations?
  
  
• What air gap does your machine have between the core and the magnets at their closest point?
  
  
• How have you verified that the secondary battery is being charged more than the drive battery is being discharged?
  
  
• What rotation speed is it running at (approximately at least)?
  
  
• (I am assuming a standard 13.8V lead-acid battery here) Do you have an idea of the number of watts that the unit is putting out to recharge the secondary battery?
  
  
• (Same assumption as the last question) Do you have any idea how many watts of input power from the drive battery is being consumed?

I have to admit, this is starting to really intrigue me.

Redneck, I'm losing faith in you bro'

We had this discussion a year ago, I told you a total noob like me did it in a weekend. For you it should be something you knock out before breakfast.

I tend to be somewhat of a perfectionist. That means that when I finish a project, it is finished and 100%, but it also means it generally takes me longer.

The excuse you gave back then was that you had cracked Free Energy yourself and were just now working on patent protection yada yada.

I have two projects running right now. The one you refer to has had a successful proof-of-concept test and I am now trying to build a demonstration prototype. In the process I have discovered that I am not ready for a chief machinists position.

Fear not... my son is taking a course in machine shop this year to help me out.

I could go for a patent app right now, but I want to at least have the demonstration prototype running to some degree first. The [patent office will demand a presentation, and I like to be prepared.

The second one is why I referred to bigger things. I expect to have the demonstration prototype within a month or so; all parts and materials are either in hand or on order. All I have to do is assemble now.

Don't lose faith!

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
So you are saying that you have a working Bedini motor as well? That is definitely interesting. Did you build it from a kit or from scratch? And if you don't mind, I am interested in some specifics (Freezer, feel free to add your answers as well):

• What type of magnets did you use? Do you have any idea of the strength of the magnets (in MgOe units) or how much flux they are putting out (Weber units)?
  

I hope RogerT doesn't leave again as I would like to see these questions answered as well.

I just U2U'd him and asked him to come back.

So I've been asked to stay in the thread, and apparently my post wasn't off topic, it was offensive. I've been warned to curb my use of colloquial endearments as children may be posting and their delicate sensitivities are easily offended.

My apologies to the gentleman I suggested should disconnect his anatomical dipole.

...

I notice that people get very hung up on use of terminology in these 'Free Energy' threads and absolutely miss the point IMHO.

I feel fortunate not to have the technical training to confuse me when confronted with something that is outside the box - I don't know enough about the box to be confronted!

This is why I believe it is important to actually do the practical experiment, and why I started a 'practical' thread about a year or so ago.

The thread died pretty much as soon as I posted my results of my little Bedini SSG, showing clearly that more came out of the battery than went in, as measured by conventional electronic equipment.

Don't misunderstand my purpose in posting this stuff - I would very much like someone to explain this anomaly away as nothing more than a technical error, or a simple misunderstanding of conventional electronics. In so doing, they would free me from the need to invest considerable amounts of my energy, time and money in following up on this, as I guess I will have to do so at some point in the future.

For those crying foul over terms like 'radiant energy', please either build yourself a simple bedini motor or take a look at mine or any of the hundreds of other posted results, and explain where the extra energy comes from, if it is not as Bedini claims.

In my experience, it was 30% extra.

PS. it's not back EMF, I think that one is pretty well explained by John himself.

I am wondering if someone could kind of build a small versions, and well, incorporate it into lamps, radios, ect....
would be cheaper, and well....
would cut on the electricity some.

reply to post by TheRedneck


No worries Bro' - I still take you very seriously

I'm going to be a big disappointment tho' I'm afraid. The question you ask are almost all way over my head technically.

I joined the group, followed the recommended guide and built it as I was instructed to do.

One thing which will be most likely a major 'doh' though, is that the SSG does not charge the secondary battery more than the primary - that is not the point. It is not an over-unity machine.

The point is to demonstrate, that the energy being put into the charging battery, as measured using time, ameter and voltmeter, is less than the energy you get out, as measured in the same way.

The primary battery is there to trigger the circuit.

I used a standard bike wheel, normal ferrous magnets and sticky tape, wound my one coil the way I was told, and yes I used welding rods for the core.

I didn't even grease the bearings, so my machine is horribly inefficient, but again, that's not the point of the SSG.

In my limited belief, the SSG is solely to demonstrate a source of energy, which Bedini claims to be 'radiant spikes' which I think he suggests come from the vaccuum as a result of the collapse of the coil, but I am already out of my depth with this kind of information.

These spikes tend to be around 400V DC and can be seen on a scope.