Supporters of 911-Official Story: Explain your method of rationalizing those things that are ignored

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
Reply to post by muzzleflash

 

No ease of use. Drop the 9/11 and movement add a er equals less typing. No significance. Especially not what you think.

I seriously have no clue what this means.

Anyone care to translate? It is English words but the structure of the sentence does not seem to compute.

What do you mean "Especially not what you think"???


Seriously you need to elaborate I have no clue what you are saying.

Ok I read this comment 10 times, and I still don't get it.

Originally posted by Nichiren
What planet do you live on? I'd say that 98% of the population has moved on and is not interested in this topic AT ALL. Ya know the Oscars are coming up soon and Edwards has a sex tape ...

Wake up!

This is what the "truthers" refuse to accept. They prattle on with their silly conspiracy theories, but the only people listening have their own even sillier theory!

Just look at some of the sillier conspiracy theories about 9/11

Holographic planes were used

The aircraft had pods on them, either firing missiles or containing explosives

Beam weapons were used to bring down the WTC

Nuclear weapons were used to bring down the WTC

Explosives were used to bring down the WTC

a UFO was watching the WTC come down

Aliens did it

the original aircraft were landed at a airport, all the passengers and crew were killed, then transferred to other aircraft that someone in the USAF bought, serviced and repainted, then those planes were flown by remote control into the buildings. Oh, and thousands inside the USAF were involved or knew about this.

A missile was fired at the pentagon, then 757 engines, seats, undercarriage, wheels, bodies and body parts from people on flight 77 were burnt, dismembered then dragged inside the burning Pentagon.

I probably missed some even sillier ones, but those are things that the "truther" movement push as to what happened!
etc etc

reply to post by dereks

Just look at some of the sillier conspiracy theories about 9/11

Holographic planes were used

The aircraft had pods on them, either firing missiles or containing explosives

Beam weapons were used to bring down the WTC

Nuclear weapons were used to bring down the WTC

Explosives were used to bring down the WTC

a UFO was watching the WTC come down

Aliens did it

Most people do not believe in the OS do not subscribe to any of those beliefs, perhaps children do, but not most adults, get real!

It is obviously clear you are only in here to insult the non believers of the OS. You have been doing this since you signed up.




[edit on 6-2-2010 by impressme]

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by dragonseeker
Well, it's not too hard to understand why some people stick by the OS. How do you live in a country where your own government commits mass murder against it's own citizens? how do you deal with that reality day to day?

some people can't. It's easier to just buy the lie. I don't, and it drives me nuts, knowing that the US gov had a hand in this. I know they did. I was saying they did when it was very unpopular to say. I lost a lot of friends for saying it. I said it publicly, I wrote a damn poem about it, and read it in front of a room full of "industry" people. That did not help my life or career one bit

The people who believe in the OS believe in it the same way people believe in god. tell an evangelical christian that god does not exist, see how well the conversation goes

So what do you expect, OP? the good news is, a lot LESS people believe the OS than ever before. the bad news is, the vast majority of us americans don't have the balls to do anything about it. dunno how to fix that..

Well, you could say that but, on the other hand, some qualified people will say " that insecure and/or discontented people very often feel a need for a tangible enemy on which to externalise their anger. "

www.world-mysteries.com...

This guy doesn't seem to even entertain the possibility that certain conspiracy theories may be true, even though there is an abundance of conspiracies throughout history, it's the natural order of things. He's biased from the start.

Also, it feels like he's trying to link the holocaust to conspiracy theories to perhaps discredit them, insinuating its dangers to society. Draw a link to Hitler and cement the notion that conspiracy theories are madness.

You could in a way blame WWII on a conspiracy theory but that's making things far too simple. In this case the conspiracy theory was perpetuated and supported by the german government, most of the time conspiracy theories and theorists are anti government and establishment. WWII wouldn't have happened if the conspiracy theorist mentality were the norm.

I think the real problem rose out of a number of reasons, the fact that people generally strive to conform, that most people are stupid as well as the tendency to equate authority and power with sincerity when reality suggests the opposite is most often true.

The masses are still fighting the masters wars, the wars are still based on deception and the money masters still profit from them. Made possible because of ignorance, conformity and a whole lot of other reasons.. We still do our masters bidding, the propaganda has just been perfected and gotten a whole lot more sophisticated and subtle.

I frankly don't understand the trusting nature some people have against governments, to me it's common sense that power eventually will be corrupted, there's no question. There's also no question that scheaming psychopaths and sociopaths advance to high positions easier than people with the mental baggage of a conscience, risk-taking and cold powerful people are bound to conspire.

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they did not wrong. If there is any presumption it is the other way against holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility. All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority.."

- Lord Acton



A while ago a swedish billionaire came with a surprising revelation in the nations biggest newspaper, he told them he was a psychopath and that all succesful people are. Off course it's not true in all cases, but I think it's far more prevalent than people would like to imagine.

Then again, I might be delusional.
Just my two cents.

Reply to post by muzzleflash

You are? How many pages of truther ego fluffing before the claimed target of the thread responded again? And I guess. I should have said emotional pay-offs. The true target of threads like this as you just want to tell those who disagree how much you feel they suck as is evidenced in this thread's history. Any contrary information is foo foo'd in favor of hurling insults. Thus it's allure for truthers.


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reply to post by muzzleflash

He's trying to explain the term,"Truther"
I resemble that remark,only it's more like,"Truth or Consequencer"

reply to post by dereks


Oh dereks,

You obviously didn't get my post. 98% of the population are mind controlled lemmings and don't give a crap about the OS. They just buy into it because TPTB done the "thinking" for them.

The remaining 1.999% fuzz and fight over semantics and probabilities while the 0.001% laugh their asses off about the infighting.

I don't buy the OS for I have a brain that is functioning.

Good day,

N

reply to post by Nichiren

I live in redneck country,Wisconsin.My contacts are dairy farmers and other country folk.We see all the crap handed down since that Spectacle,like how you used to be able to re-use feed sacks,but now must pay for one time use,all because of the scardey cats.These little bites,or 'cuts' are cumulative in effect and are the reason for concern.We're used to being lied to and abused,ask any farmer.But have a long memory and not prone to self delusion,not a good survival strategy.So yeah,I stand by my word.When I bring up 9-11 I now get asked clear,concise questions from surprising quarter.Mockery no more except from certain few types.MINORITIES

Reply to post by impressme

Your failure to pay attention does not constitute a failure to explain sorry.


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The topic here isn't about solving 911 it's about making yourself accept the hard to believe OS as truth. I have looked at this event objectively and considerably and can only conclude that it's inconclusive. It's irrational to claim it decided by any explanation of what happened, due to the missing info in every theory. Supporting the OS is obviously the most ignorant choice because it's meant to be factual. While believing conclusively in any other theory like CD is irrational, supporting them as most likely probable is justified as they are only theories. Without more info the most logical position would be undecided. Supporting the realistic, undecided pending further info, position is definitely the most rational one, but it's also the least popular? I'm curious as to why this is happening? Neither OS supporters, nor CD supporters can provide any credibility to their positions, yet these are the most popular beliefs? This only proves that most people lack the basic common sense needed to understand this.

So the thread topic is meant to discuss five things:

1) Almost the entire population has chosen to believe the least and second least logical explanation of 911?

2) The most rational position is hardly, if ever, even considered?

3) Supporting the CD theory is more credible than the OS simply because it's meant to be a theory?

4) Supporting the least logical OS, considered factual, has yet to be defended and legitimized, despite it's likely the most popular?

5) Contradicting these simple statements has been completely ignored in favor of childish attacks and wild false accusations by OS people?

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

Your failure to pay attention does not constitute a failure to explain sorry.

Perhaps, I have been paying attention, which is why I do not believe in the OS fairytales.


Why don’t you tell us why you support the OS fairytales? And don’t say you don’t, because ever since I have been here you have.

"I live in redneck country,Wisconsin.My contacts are dairy farmers and other country folk.We see all the crap handed down since that Spectacle,like how you used to be able to re-use feed sacks,but now must pay for one time use,all because of the scardey cats.These little bites,or 'cuts' are cumulative in effect and are the reason for concern.We're used to being lied to and abused,ask any farmer.But have a long memory and not prone to self delusion,not a good survival strategy.So yeah,I stand by my word.When I bring up 9-11 I now get asked clear,concise questions from surprising quarter.Mockery no more except from certain few types. MINORITIES"

When Middle America no longer buys the load of fertilizer which was dished out on 9/11, what does that tell you? Most people in Middle America are very trusting of their Government. Or should I say, WERE very trusting of their Government.

I love the word you used to refer to the OS believers who resort to childish behavior: MINORITIES. That pretty much sums them up in a nutshell.

Reply to post by impressme

What's that? Another assumptive leap I see. Who said I did? And no you aren't paying attention just like that crap you spewed just now. The comment was in answer to your assertion that they can't explain despite the fact they have ad nausem and while I may not wholly agree with them I understand what they are saying unlike you. And it's pretty sad when someone has to remind you of what the flow of conversation is.


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I just would like to add it is you that is off topic.
I am not the topic of this thread.

Who said I did?

I did.

Why don’t you tell us why you support the OS fairytales? And don’t say you don’t, because ever since I have been here you have.

Now, why don’t you answer to why you believe in the OS. You have been on ATS over two years defending the government version of the OS, and that is a fact.

Okay, I will bite. I still believe the OS basically. I have seen some very concerning things in the conspiracy theories that make me think. Things like the pentagon surveillance tape and the Pensylvania flight. This website has some. I have browsed the other 9/11 conspiracy sites. Wikipedia has a number of good entries. I have read quite a lot on it. The one thing that strikes me is for every point, there is a counter-point. This is a problem in dispelling a widely held belief.

So, why did I still get behind the OS? Mostly, because the hardcore 9/11 theories are very technical (except the alien stuff which kind of throws the hard science out the window). Building structures, aircraft manuevering, policies of NORAD, you know the stuff. I have no technical background. So, I have no way to "clearly" see how an OS explanation is flawed. If you do, that is great. I am just not packing the gear due to lack of experience and formal scientific education.

Also, I just wasn't there. I have no direct knowledge of anything that occurred that day. I am reliant on the internet and cable. Therefore, I cannot look at a photo or a video and without any technical knowledge conclude it was a surface to air missile or a demolition, or what-have-you.

Without any good way to judge for myself the science, and without any good first hand knowledge, I am just stuck with the OS and counter-theories.

Now, one thing I do believe in and have seen first hand is the laziness of the federal government. I can get behind that people screwed up that day. I can fully accept that our government did a very sloppy job. I can also get behind evil motives by those in power. So far so good. however, that does not get me to the same place as believing that Bush and Cheney plotted the attacks and had them carried out.

I am okay with believing the administration wanted a good excuse for an expanded war. Maybe some blind eyes were turned when the events started unfolding. I don't know.

Overall, that kind of sums it up for me. I am not here to shout anyone down. I like the conspiracy theories. That is why I am here. Some seem really silly to me, some are interesting. Some are in between.

Anyway, that is my thumbnail sketch for why I basically believe the OS (like I said, some of it sounds odd, just not enough for me to cross the bridge into alternative theory land). It is not a lack of interest or reading. It is an inability for me to conclude the conspiracy theories are correct and the OS is a lie. I also just don't have any strong political feelings one way or the other that would push me to believe or disbelieve the OS.

Reply to post by impressme

LoL! Ah, you must think you are an authority on me, even over me. Pathetic. You are wrong btw. Not that expect you to see past the monumental size of your hubris and inability to focus on anything but.
It's because of jokers like you who disgrace the topic I question by virtue of your antics and bs, and others tendency to lump me in with you that there will NEVER be any serious inquiry that will answer my questions.


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First, I would like to congratulate you for being honest and the first one to really step up to the plate as an OS believer and I respect you and your opinion for doing so.

As I have said elsewhere, there are only a few reasons why people still insist that the OS must be true. They cannot and will not, and never have, explain point by point HOW they suppose the ' inexplicable anomales' number in the hundreds at least, and answer them. They are not educated in the subject matter, and cannot refute or even discuss the subject intelligently so they stubbornly just throw barbs around and insist that WE are the ones in denial!!

When you show proof that the Towers ' dustified' and that clollapse energy could never account for enough to accomplish this, they shrug it off and say' Well, a plane hit it." As if that explains all never before seen phenomenon and does away with all bothersome questions that the ' truthers' keep asking.When you show them that entire core steel stuctures had to fail simultaneously, into the area of greatest resistance, they say " The heat was too much and it gave way all at the same time, in all three cases, by sheer coincidence". And they look at you with a straight face when they say it.

People whose world would be shattered if they accepted that the very highest level of those in control are mudering bastards or willing to ignore same cannot face the truth; to accept the truth would mean that they would be unable to work...sleep...eat...function....they would feel overwhelmed because in their minds the government, the structure of the system, must be trustworthy...it simply must.

Two emotions come into play upon realizing the truth; Either a person believes that they are at risk personally if the top cannot be trusted with their lives, or they become very unsure of everything: People with marginally weak psyche's will of course fall faster for any outrageous tale that satisfies their need for security. Ultimately it is the people at the top who are responsible for our collective safety, and if Cheney and Bush are proven to be traitors and that 9-11 is an inside job, then their total image of security fails and they cannot accept that.

They would actually prefer to believe that the laws of physics really WERE violated on 9-11 and for some good reason which no doubt the powers that be know about but are unwilling to share. They will believe anything but thwe truth: The truth would undermine their whole image of security and that means they will swallow any story the government puts out. Hell, the majority of Americans are like that, God help us.