Is it fine to kill bad people??

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by Deaf Alien

 

Just reading it over a few times and thinking about it you said "They could not help it." If they could not control themselves from killing someone, what role do these people play in society?? I used the example of Charles Manson a couple times in this thread...he pretty much created his own colony of murderers, I might not know everything about this guy but I know enough to deem him a bad person. I believe he was supposed to get the death penalty but it was abolished in California and he got life in prison instead. So tax payers paid to keep this guy alive instead of getting rid of this scum.

Now you are starting to understand my point M8ie. I am a Napa Valley Native, as in born in Napa California which is less than 80 miles from Charlies house in Vacaville. As I said these crinimals should be paying for their own kept as there are Viet Nam era Veterans who are living on the street whilst this murderer is living the high life of cable TV, 3 Squares a day with heated cell!!!! Squeekie Frome (sorry for the misspelling) Charlies girl friend tried to off the Governor of California…… Charlie was alive in prison telling his little red head robots what to do. Funny thing was that the .45 Cal Semi Auto wasn’t cocked at the time the secret service men got to Squeekie!!!!

Question had we killed Charlie for killing the pregnant actress Sharon Tate would have the Governor of California been in danger? Remember this was a double murder as Sharon was pregnant!

edited changing who to would

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Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy
Today, for the first, I saw the Boondock Saints and started thinking whether killing bad/evil people is okay. I was always against any sort of violence but honestly in today's world with all these gangs, drug dealers, rapists etc. I think killing them may be a viable option...What do you guys think?? Is it okay to kill bad people(who are clearly bad)??

Is it ok? No.
But sometimes the only decisions you have left to make are bad ones.

reply to post by grey580

But who is responsible for the next victims family????? .

Its fine for all of you to say let live but who is responsible for the next crime?


Remember it could have been preventable, and that is the major point I have been making which none of you Nimby's have been addressing!!!!!

Opposite motto of the Mercs "Let them all live and let God sort them out!!

But what about the victims and their families????

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reply to post by IceHappy


Manson isn't at CMF he's in Corcoran.

As far as the thread is concerned, I say it is ok to do it in self defense. However, to go out and kill someone based on our perceptions of good and evil?

reply to post by EMPIRE

Excuse me but three years ago when I was back in the USA Charlie was in Vacaville. When did they move him and by the way he has spent most of his life in Vacaville so excuse me for living abroad....... I stand corrected however my points still remain!

We almost lost a President Ford (what was I thinking?) due to the fact that Charlie control his robot red head after his trial whilst in prison, matter of public record.....

Squeekie Charlies Red Headed Robot Almost Killed President Ford

Edited to add last Para......


[edit on 2/5/2010 by IceHappy]

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by rcwj1975

 

I'm going to pass on the video...

A more scary thought, there are people in this world that will do so without emotional response because they are incapable of the emotional response. Some people are wired differently (or maybe mis-wired) is a better concept.



[edit on 5-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

I agree on that , isometimes wonder if some "people" are really as human as you or me, i even go as far as to say they are demons walking in flesh, to me the concept of destroying demons is not the same as killing human beings..that doesnt mean i go out destroying demons just a 'pause for thought'
I also passed on the video as i dont want the evil to seep through my monitor thanks...

Originally posted by superrat
Of course it is.

We are engaged in a battle with enemies that want us all dead and will stop at nothing to accomplish that. The alternative to killing them is to just wait until they kill us. I don't think so. That is plain stupid.

Kill them before they kill us.

WOW! Just WOW. This is why we are in trouble. I am not going to say anything more.

Originally posted by bowlbyville

Remember the Bible verse, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" - what that means is that if someone blinds you in one eye, you can't go back to them and take two from them. It's called "measured justice."

Justice requires that you match the punishment with the crime. So while I believe it's OK to put a person to death for certain crimes, the penalty of death has to be measured against their crime.

The Bible also says judge not lest you be judged.

You must remember, in the Old Testament, God was allowing people to make their mistakes by allowing them to punish eachother for their sins. He wanted people to realize what they were doing. He never said, "DO NOT FORGIVE THAT PERSON." He simply said that IF we chose to exact justice, and eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is the way in which we should do it - only if we can't resist the urge.

It is better to love your enemies. It isn't easy - it's the hardest thing in the world to do.

And people should realize quickly - those of you who have been/go to war, you remember this : You're not fighting for love. You're not fighting for freedom. You're fighting for money and power for the elite.

To fight for love is TO LOVE. To fight for freedom is to not be intimidated and keep your head up straight regardless of the consequences. Lashing out in any way whatsoever is NOT love and neither is it freedom.

Also, for those "christians" out there : We are supposed to love God first. God says LOVE YOUR ENEMY. If they make the choice to pull a gun on your wife and you are not capable of dismantling that person without killing them, then you will find out how much you love God. It's a horrible thing to think about, but it is a fact. Too many people have this warped idea that "family is first". As if blood is more important than the spirit. As if the entire human race isn't a family by blood anyway.

People will say, "How could you ever let your wife be shot?"
You say that we should love our family, right?
Let's say that my mother pulls a gun on my wife because my wife tried to beat my mother. (Not a true story :lol

What do I do?!

See, this is my predicament with all people. Everyone is family. It is not as easy as saying, "That person is a stranger to me. I will kill them. It's another family's loss anyway."

For those who don't have the wisdom to understand or the heart to care, it is a common understanding that there are six degrees of separation between all people on the planet. This means that you know someone who is related to someone who is best friends with someone who used to go out with someone whose mother works as a maid for Brad Pitt.

We all know that energy travels pretty fast... especially that of negative energy. (More accurately, we RECOGNIZE the effects of negativity more than the effects of the positive because when we are comfortable we aren't paying attention.) For example, if you were to slap that someone that you know in the mouth, there is a good chance that somewhere down the line Brad Pitt's maid quits because of all the drama that followed your girlie slap. And then she goes to the tabloids and tells all about Pitt and Jolie and now you've just cost those two another week of media attention...

On a more serious note : If you kill someone, you're gonna tear up a lot of worlds because of your selfishness. If someone is deciding to kill someone, unless you're able to stop the situation without murder, then you can only let them make their choice. SOMEONE is going to suffer. It is our selfishness that makes sure the apparent agressor suffers.

We all suffer from that selfishness, but it is our job to make sure we ourselves suffer for it instead of putting our "cross" off on others to bear.

And OP : who are you calling BAD?! HYPOCRITE.

Enjoy.

reply to post by EMPIRE


Self defense is a funny concept with many strings attached. Basically self defense people are saying it is okay to kill the person when he is attacking you...but lets say he gets away. In a few days you see the same person walking down the street who previously tried to kill you...what do you do? kill him? but now that wouldn't be self defense...right? But if you kill him this day, are you killing a bad person? Then we have the people who say people change...would you let this guy walk away thinking hes a "changed" man?? Self defense...ahh what a terrible concept.

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, and highly encouraged also

We KNOW who the bad people are also...so, here is a checklist, kill any in these groups

rapists
thieves
drug dealers
drug users
alchoholics
republicans
communists
democrats
anyone over 45
men with beards
women with beards
sex offenders
sex addicts
sexually repressed
sexy women that wont date me
satanists
christians
anyone not a christian
politicians
the white man
the brown man
the yellow man
the red man

hmm...think thats a good start...more may come later.

I understand where you are coming from...that basically someone who hates Jews may call Jews evil or someone who hates Muslims may call Muslims evil but I mean more like unanimous decisions such as a cereal killer who has killed a few dozen innocent people. Would this person or other murderers, rapists or drug dealers okay to kill?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

My thoughts are to simply echo in my opinion, the thread ending post by Sparkey63 on the first page

I was bad once...a long time ago. I payed my dues and now I am not the same person I was back then. I'm glad no one killed me.

Consider the alternative...killing bad people...well, people are bad for a reason...a burgler is a bad person..kill him...find out he was desperate to get food on his table for his sick wife and child. Kill someone whom molested someone...come to find out he was molested himself and never got therapy...make sure to also kill the victim of the guy because...well, you know how they turn out without therapy (and since the molester got murdered instead of therapy, its obvious that therapy isnt considered). Also, you got to kill the poor people because they may end up becoming burglers. Kill drug dealers because they are dealing drugs, but kill drug users also, because they may end up selling drugs to support their habit. Kill kill kill...

one of the issues today, and perhaps the reason why people go bad, is because nobody ever tries to make one another good.

klilling is bad, and to entertain the thought of judging and killing people you deem bad..is bad in itself...which means if you answered yes to this thread, you are a bad person and therefore you must logically commit suicide.

have at it

--edited for bad spelling...(*kills spelling*)...--

[edit on 5-2-2010 by SaturnFX]

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


Well all i have to say is i feel for you and pray that one day you will realise that your opinion is by no means the right attitude! Its not as simple as think before you act...saying things like that is makin life very black and white, its fa from it! yes i agree that you should think before you act, however, there is such a thing as free-choice and it can take someone doing something drastic i.e. breaking a commandment to realise the other side of the coin, that is precisely why god forgives those who change and defeat the demons inside them!

I'm sure everyone here tells lies, if you have and you dont regret it then you will be judged and punished accordingly which unfortunatley is an eternity in hell, if you appologise and mean it and ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven!!

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

If you are good at self defence and can unarm the attacker rather than kill him..... Then if you have these so-called Christian attitudes or values, then your duty bound not to kill but to defend only ergo no argument!

When I served in the US Army we were taught to defend, kill. If you don’t then you will have to look back over your shoulder all the time as your attacker can become stronger or with better weapons....

Who is to know if you are walking down the street as you suggest and the person who attacked previously in which you unarmed, sees you first (before you see them) may ambush you for a second attempt. Not to do so is illogical, why then did this person attack you in the first place. Your suggestion would mean for you to be on guard every waking hour to defend yourself praying that your opponent does not get better at his skills than you.....

reply to post by jrmcleod


You still have not suggested what you would say to the kin of the next victim of this attacker if you had a chance to stop them and did not. What would you say to their mother. Say the second victim was your cousin, what would you say to your aunt. You just stood there and did nothing. What would she say to you??? "Oh well I can make another child"?????

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Originally posted by IceHappy
reply to post by grey580

 

But who is responsible for the next victims family?????

.

Its fine for all of you to say let live but who is responsible for the next crime?

Remember it could have been preventable, and that is the major point I have been making which none of you Nimby's have been addressing!!!!!

Opposite motto of the Mercs "Let them all live and let God sort them out!!

But what about the victims and their families????

edit to enter last three paragraphs

[edit on 2/5/2010 by IceHappy]

Ok so lets kill evryone thats committed a crime (murder) and see if that sorts the problem...seriously!!! Thats almost as clever as lets cut down all the trees incase they fall onto someone!

My point here is that no matter how many trees you cut down, they will always grow back!!!

There is no solution to this what-so-ever, thats why its not our job or place to take the life away because we cannot comprehend the magnitude of the consequences!!!

God will also sort out the victims families, as he has done and continues to do with every other famil in the world who go through difficulties of any proportion, the whole point in christianity is to put your life and faith into gods hands, not your own or your friends as they have no power or control over what can and will happen to you!

There is not direct answer.

People should not be killed at all unless...

They commit a crime.

From there you decide the punishment, which I think on certain issues we as a nation need to be a bit more severe...

Originally posted by IceHappy
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

You still have not suggested what you would say to the kin of the next victim of this attacker if you had a chance to stop them and did not. What would you say to their mother. Say the second victim was your cousin, what would you say to your aunt. You just stood there and did nothing. What would she say to you??? "Oh well I can make another child"?????

edited for spelling

[edit on 2/5/2010 by IceHappy]

If i'm totally honest wit you, i have no idea what i would say to the victim or my aunt so to speak. I have never been in a situation to do such a thing, all i know is that i would be able to comfort them by the means that are right at the time, if thats talking, hugging, listening etc it doesnt matter, however, what i would say is that i could not kill that person...i would not have known if the victim was going to die or not so it would have been against all my morals as a person to kill the other in the thought that they may die...i would try my uptmost to save that person, if that meant i died then thats what i would do..you may or may not believe me but i would scrafice my life to save someone else because thats who i am.

my own struggles have taught me that there are people out there who will take you in when you need it, even the most unlikely of people. There are people out there who will give you there last penny, even if they dont have enough for themselves! that is worth saving and that could be anyone, even those you least suspect

reply to post by jrmcleod


As you just suggested Kill everyone who commit murder would end this arguement by the fact that there would no further murders and no further victims by a known killer! Seems like a solution... I don't understand your tree business as I never in my life heard of someone die from a tree that repeated uprooted itself killing many people after being caught as a killer tree!

reply to post by jrmcleod


I am glad you are not related to me or be my neighbour or at any time served in the same service as myself.

I also do not know anyone who would have lost a child knowing you could have prevented it allow you to speak to them again let alone a lame attempt of comfort. Hugging does not bring back the dead nor does it make a girl who was innocent before her rape a virgin.

The pioneers that settled the west as the west kept moving would have no time for you. That is IMHO... May your God bless you.

Originally posted by IceHappy
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

As you just suggested Kill everyone who commit murder would end this arguement by the fact that there would no further murders and no further victims by a known killer! Seems like a solution... I don't understand your tree business as I never in my life heard of someone die from a tree that repeated uprooted itself killing many people after being caught as a killer tree!

Right here goes, let me put it in a simpiler term...

everyone has the ability to kill...

every tree has the ability to fall ontop of someone and kill...

If you kill everyone who has killed, all you will be left with is the people who have not killed yet...

if you cut down all the trees you will be left with no trees to kill people until they grow back...

This was a metaphor to explain the irrational thought of "just kill everyone who has killed", this will not sort out the problem...the only ultimate solution to the problem is the extinction of the human race...

as my grandad always put it, if there are 2 boys on a beach and one has a spade and the other has a bucket, there will always be a a war...


[edit on 5-2-2010 by jrmcleod]

Originally posted by IceHappy
reply to post by jrmcleod

 

I am glad you are not related to me or be my neighbour or at any time served in the same service as myself.

I also do not know anyone who would have lost a child knowing you could have prevented it allow you to speak to them again let alone a lame attempt of comfort. Hugging does not bring back the dead nor does it make a girl who was innocent before her rape a virgin.

The pioneers that settled the west as the west kept moving would have no time for you. That is IMHO... May your God bless you.

well just to clarify, i am a victim of rape, many times over (as a child) and i can assure you that was it not for hugs, being listened too and talking i would not be the person i am today...

anyways thats besides the point!!

I do appologise if i am offending you through my opinions in this thread but i guess we both feel very strongly about what our beliefs are!!