Is it fine to kill bad people??

reply to post by seattletruth


You're the one with the labels

'extremist terrorists' to me is a label. Who coined it ? What does it mean ? Why was it coined ?

Would you consider someone (or group) 'extremist terrorist' if they decided to kill corrupt, smirking creatures who orchestrated an alleged 'global financial collapse' and thereby destroyed the lives and futures of millions others by stealing .. yes, stealing .. people's savings and mandatory superannuation, thereby condemning people who'd worked hard and saved all their lives to poverty, despair and misery in their old age when they could no longer find work ?

I wouldn't consider the killer of those responsible to be 'extreme terrorists' at all. I'd consider them justified in killing the thieves. And many of those who've suffered at the hands of the thieves ... those who are now unable to pay their medical bills, or put their grandchildren through college for example ... I'd say a large percentage of them have fantasised about killing the thieves. And quite frankly, I hope someone DOES kill them. The corrupt legal establishment protects them instead

In fact, looked at that way, the 'Law' could be described as 'extreme terrorists'

And certainly our politicians and armed forces are extreme terrorists



[edit on 4-2-2010 by Dock9]

reply to post by Faiol


I'm sorry but there are other ways to earn money than selling drugs. And you say murderers don't value life, I agree but do you honestly think drug dealers value life?? They sell drugs to young kids, some become addicts and some die...Is a drug dealer not a murderer in a sense?

Reply to post by Celor

Unless they escape. Which they can and do.


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reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


Thank you

Appreciate your distinction and know what you mean

At the same time, I know animals have souls. I've witnessed it leaving the animal's body. Fast as light. Straight up. Four of us there. Left us in shock. We all saw it, including the veterinarian. He was actually reduced to tears and had to leave the room

We're nowhere as 'special' as we imagine ourselves to be, is the conclusion I've reached

We desperately need to believe we're a step above the animal kingdom

We need to learn more and develop some humility. If it weren't for religion, we wouldn't be as disgusting as we are. We'd be more in tune with our natural, authentic selves and the worlds around us -- and, ironically, would be more in touch with 'God'

But appreciate what you've said

reply to post by Celor


See the thing is locking them up costs money, how bout digging a pit of death where we can throw all of them in until they starve to death or end up eating each other...now that is punishment. Well when I started this thread I was kind of in between but now I really am leaning to the "kill them" side.

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

I think this man in the video must be sick in the head and after seeing this video, any man who can do such a thing as that does not even deserve a second chance...Certain things are forgivable and a second chance can be given but if you can slit someones throat like that(by his voice he didn't sound too concerned either) you do not deserve another chance...much like the previous examples I gave of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson.

Sick in the head...no..he had a degree...lol. The thing is, here in the U.S. we think that evil is limited to those we see in movies. The murderer who ends up finding god and turning his life around to do good. The gang banger who kills someone during a drive by, but finds a role model, drops out of the gang and becomes a teacher, etc...those stories and real person stories of those who HAVE turned it around cloud us from seeing TRUE EVIL that is worldwide. As I said...this man was educated, and we heard a father of 3...yet he could cut a mans throat..laugh about it, teach his class and go eat some corn flakes 20 minutes later...there truly are people who do NOT see life as you and I....who care about life as you and I...and don't WANT to live life the way the majority do...thats just reality my friend...and as much as MANY people don't want to accept it...it will ALWAYS be that way...

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy

 

Thank you

Appreciate your distinction and know what you mean

At the same time, I know animals have souls. I've witnessed it leaving the animal's body. Fast as light. Straight up. Four of us there. Left us in shock. We all saw it, including the veterinarian. He was actually reduced to tears and had to leave the room

We're nowhere as 'special' as we imagine ourselves to be, is the conclusion I've reached

We desperately need to believe we're a step above the animal kingdom

We need to learn more and develop some humility. If it weren't for religion, we wouldn't be as disgusting as we are. We'd be more in tune with our natural, authentic selves and the worlds around us -- and, ironically, would be more in touch with 'God'

But appreciate what you've said

Yeah, I always say religion does more bad than good and if you look all throughout history an extremely high percentage of wars and conflicts are tied to religion. However, there are a few religious figures such as Ghandi, Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa who I admire for their actions. Just thinking about them, they all would probably be against killing bad people...Ghandi for example said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind," I like this quote but it seems so unrealistic these days...

reply to post by rcwj1975


Haha...yeah, damn MTV with all their stupid shows!! I wonder if that guy's family saw that video and I wonder about their reactions. I also realized that the question is really not whether "killing bad people is right or wrong?" it is more about judging people and whether or not they deserve second chances...

reply to post by rcwj1975
Not offended... just don't want the visual, or need it, to know that it can and does exist.

Besides, (not sure if you saw the ETA in that post) but I heard the stories coming out of Bosnia (some first hand) and though I cannot compare that to being there and experiencing it, it is enough to know that the Bottom line is: Good and Evil. Both exist.






[edit on 4-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

reply to post by LadySkadi


So would you help eliminate evil if you could?? (By killing evil people)

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[edit on 5-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by LadySkadi
Not offended... just don't want the visual, or need it, to know that it can and does exist.

Besides, (not sure if you saw the ETA in that post) but I heard the stories coming out of Bosnia (some first hand) and though I cannot compare that to being there and experiencing it, it is enough to know that the Bottom line is: Good and Evil. Both exist.

Ok...glad you don't have to see it to understand the reality. Its just I see some people who REFUSE to believe evil people like him exsist and when you try to show them...they want nothing to do with it. I guess living in a bubble for some DOES have it's advantages.

Yes Bosnia and Kosovo were both bad. REAL bad at times...especially before we (the US) got involved. It was nothing walking up on mass graves of 300 to 400 executed people. And that was up to two years AFTER it was done.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


I wish I knew if his family saw the video....it would be interesting to see what their reaction to it would be, or was.

The opinions I've posted aren't a reflection of the way I've lived (and continue to live) my life. I didn't always think as I've posted here

I'm not apologising, simply explaining what a life of forgiveness and compassion and 'understanding' and 'excusing' can lead to, in later years

The thieves I forgave when younger did NOT learn from my example, lol

No. I was an idiot. They knew I was an idiot for 'understanding' and forgiving and defending them. They were laughing at me. I might have been superior to them in education or intellect (who knows) but THEY were the 'smart ones' in society. The know the average person will automatically tend to forgive, to make allowances, to overlook, to excuse. The 'bad guys' KNOW that. They EXPECT that. And they EXPLOIT it

People used to say I had something wrong with me. I forgave and forgot automatically. Didn't have to think about it. Didn't think about it. Didn't analyse it. I couldn't help it. It had nothing to do with religious education and the 'turn the other cheek' message, although I did take that on board. And the one about 'If someone steals your cloak, give him your shoes also'

And I did that. It didn't hurt. I didn't mind. I didn't tell anyone. I wasn't interested in 'appearing nice and holy'. It's just the way I was

Back then, I'd be one of those in this thread advocating 'understanding', 'non-judgementalism', 'forgiveness', 'mercy', etc. In FACT, during my various incarnations in ATS, I've said ALL that and more, many times. I used to say ' People who're bad can't help it. It's their genes. It's a fate imposed upon them ' etc. etc.

And I USED to say that 'God sprinkled bad people amongst us in the same way a chef adds spices to the dish. We should THANK the 'bad guys' ... because it's thanks to them that we learn about ourselves, that we define ourselves. They pose tests for us. It's not what happens to us that matter, but how we respond. So we should THANK the bad guys. They had no choice about what they are. God sent them to test us .. in order we could rise or fall .... and learn '

Gee. I've started convincing myself of that all over again now, having quoted myself

Oh, who knows. I've been beaten black and blue many times. Mostly, my 'big retaliation' was to try to hold the hands of the attacker, to stop them hitting me. I've been robbed several times (last time was hundreds of thousands of dollars, courtesy of a business partner). It hurt. It made life hard. But I knew it would destroy me if I let it. So I looked forward. The past is past, I told myself. Gone. Over. Move on. Get on with it

The person who embezzled me is living a very luxurious life. He's not suffering pangs of conscience. He doubtless regards me as just another of the many fools who've contributed over the years to his nice life. He believes he succeeded because he is 'smarter'. He robbed his mother of her savings, and his son of tens of thousands, his other business partner, etc.

So as I've said, I didn't live life with the same radical opinions as I've expressed higher up in this thread. And my opinins are not formed of bitterness. No. They're observations drawn from accumulated experiences. And I see now that there are patterns in life, in people's lives.

Researchers tell us that murderers/serial murderers usually follow a path that's been charted as result of study of hundreds of these individuals: cruelty to siblings and other children; cruelty to animals; petty crime leading to more and more serious crime. Along the way, most of them have come to the attention of the authorities and often numerous sincere efforts have been made to 'rehabilitate' them. Waste of time and money in most instances, because they aren't interested in changing

Think Stuart Wilde said it best when he advised: ' Not everything walking around on two legs is human '

reply to post by rcwj1975


haha funny you say that because for my class we are doing a "mock" trial in which I have to prosecute the U.S. regarding international laws that they broke during the Kosovo conflict and Serbia bombings. It should be an interesting thing to research.

reply to post by Dock9


That's cool, atleast your position makes sense, but you probably are now classified in some database as a homegrown terrorist from that post.


I would agree with you, but I don't think terrorism should be advocated.. Or even violence. The US oligarchy can be destroyed by economic warfare. It's a house of cards.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


The Rambouillet Agreement...that is what you need to research and see how F'd up the entire situation got from there on in....

Prowling through the archives of every major religion, at some point one will find a reference to what the Buddhists and Christians have popularized as "universal compassion"; inevitably, the religious leaders of a time long past the founding of their religion state this is the objective of that religion. And why not? The idea that we care about everybody, and leave nobody out, suggests encircled spiritual wagons ready to ward off death, terror, sadness and loss.

This compassion is an excellent and sustaining thing, but much as all medicines are poisonous in the wrong doses, it can go too far. To love our fellow creatures (and plants) is a wonderful thing, but it paralyzes us when we are unwilling to act in a way that will disappoint or terminate them, even if that action would have made the world better. We must have universal compassion and do first what is right for the betterment of order on earth and in the heavens, and only secondarily let our compassion guide us to treat all individual life forms well, because from a distance, our universe itself is a life-form deserving compassion before any of its components.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


Yes, I might have written what you've said in your post, a few years ago

We want the world to be 'nice'. Course we do. Nothing wrong with wanting a nice, safe world where people co-operate and get along. Be lovely if that's the way it was

So, we tend to idealise people such as Ghandi and Mother Teresa. We WANT to believe in god-like humans, superhumans. And again, this reflects well on us for wanting a world and people like that

But apparently, Ghandi and Mother Teresa enjoy a reputation that's been gilded like the proverbial lily .... and were nowhere near the paragons of virtue that history would have us believe. Feet of clay. We create super-good figures and ignore their feet of clay

Re reality is: most people pick their noses and pass wind and sneak around looking in other people's desk-drawers and exploit for profit when the opportunities arise, and speculate privately or otherwise about what a disliked relative might leave in their Will. And Ghandi and Mother Teresa were no different at all

BUT ... the powers that be (and they're not ALL frocked clergy) have an agenda. Just as religion itself has its agenda or ten.

Ghandi and his 'peaceful protests' ? WHOM does that serve ? Do you see ?

The much-publicised philosophy of Ghandi, for example, exhorts us to EMULATE Ghandi, doesn't it ? It encourages us to believe that 'peaceful protest' can turn the tide ! And what's the result ? Yes .. lots of people waving back and forth with little cigarette lighters, holding up photos of Ghandi and the latter-day poster boy for 'peace' .... the very canny John Lennon (who was actually the antithesis of 'peace'. That guy was a head-kicker, a scoffer, a guy who after death is more useful to the cabals than he was alive. They use him now to 'pacify' further generations of potential anarchists by citing his 'peace' message, lol. And I can just hear the roars of protest about what I've said because people WANT TO BELIEVE and get very UN-peaceful when you take their toy away)

So, we're being played. Just as previous generations and eras were manipulated by religion into believing in 'men of peace'

They WANT us neutralised, castrated, 'peaceful' .. relying on waving candles to achieve our goals instead of thousands of us storming the current day Bastilles and dragging our manipulators to the gallows !

They want us confused, depressed, apathetic, hopeless, impotent, drugged, drunk ...... ANYTHING except able to feel and express our justified RAGE

because they don't want us to DO anything about anything. Apart, perhaps, from venting our spleen in forums (which are a very handy tool for de-fusing all the justified rage). We type and Send it. And we figure we've actually done some good .. done something to effect CHANGE. Then we go and have a snack or watch tv, or listen to music or got to bed. Because we're SPENT. EMPTIED OUT. Just the way they like us ... harmless

And religion used to serve the same purpose --- that and 16 hours backbreaking work a day

When Ghandi and Lennon cease to be effective, they'll hand us a new 'saint' to emulate. We're suckers in their hands. They know which strings to pull

Personally, I feel we should begin emulating William Wallace

reply to post by seattletruth


LOL. If they want to come and grab an old lady and make a 'terrorist' of her, that's fine. I never expected to die in a rocking chair anyway

But we should beware the LABELS

It's the drip-drip technique. We know about it, sure. But even as we know about it, we forget they're USING it on us. And it's STILL working. Which is WHY they continue to use it

Repeat anything often enough and it embeds itself into people's thinking, without their really knowing it's happening

The word 'terrorists' is one of those deliberate mind-games

See, we're USING the term ! And EVERY TIME we do, we're visualising what 'terrorists' are supposed to BE ... because they've shown us often enough on tv, haven't they ?

So, when we hear the world 'terrorist' --- we automatically (because by now it's embedded in our skulls) accept that 'terrorists' exist and that they are BAD people who want to hurt *us* !

We regard Robin Hood as a HERO. Yet he stole from the rich, supposedly. And he gave to the poor.

If Robin Hood were alive today, the msm would have us already believing that he was Bin Laden !

So we have to make a conscious effort, continually, to REJECT their labels, their lies, their manipulation and mind-games

There ARE 'bad people' ---- and most of them hold public office

They crawl and slime their way along the sewers to power

They exist in the legal and medical and political professions

They are enjoying themselves, make no mistake

They are framing the innocent to protect the true criminals

They keep us occupied with trivia and drama as they sip champagne

And the day will come, just as the orchestrated Russian and French revolutions did, when the masses will storm the citadels of power and kill them


hopefully