Is it fine to kill bad people??

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, and highly encouraged also

We KNOW who the bad people are also...so, here is a checklist, kill any in these groups

rapists
thieves
drug dealers
drug users
alchoholics
republicans
communists
democrats
anyone over 45
men with beards
women with beards
sex offenders
sex addicts
sexually repressed
sexy women that wont date me
satanists
christians
anyone not a christian
politicians
the white man
the brown man
the yellow man
the red man

hmm...think thats a good start...more may come later.

I understand where you are coming from...that basically someone who hates Jews may call Jews evil or someone who hates Muslims may call Muslims evil but I mean more like unanimous decisions such as a cereal killer who has killed a few dozen innocent people. Would this person or other murderers, rapists or drug dealers okay to kill?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

What's wrong with the traditional way of locking them up?

Is there really a difference between locking them up for life or killing them besides not having to use people's taxes to pay for our already crowded jails?

Hard to relate an experience without knowing your personal experiences, but I will give it a shot.

Have you ever been up close to someone that has been cut really bad, enough to require several stitches? You can smell the blood, the sweat and almost the fear that is on them. Think of that smell. It smells different when it is a fatal wound, there is more of a repugnant smell to it. When the wound was deliberately inflicted, it is repulsive.

One time I awoke to a person that had entered my apartment and had crawled into bed beside me and fell asleep. That person came extremely close to death by my hands. I was going to crack his skull open like a coconut on the corner of the dresser. His crime was being there and not belonging there. Pretty low on the criminal scale, right?

The instant before taking hold and committing that action, I retracted my hands to a defensive position and asked how he got in because for some reason I just wanted to know. Now the slightest movement on his part that I found remotely resembled an attack would have been his death. And he knew it as he begged for his life when he was awoken and realized his position.

It was in that moment that I smelled the alcohol on his breath and was able to understand that he had made a mistake and could give forgiveness. For the next three weeks I was plagued by visions of seeing bits of his brains on my pillow. Surely it would have looked just that way had I not stopped and followed through.

Make no mistake, I can indeed kill and kill quickly if I can justify it to myself as a correct course of action at that time. Such as defense of self or especially defense of others. What disturbed me with this guy was how close I had come to making a mistake and causing harm (death) to someone that did not deserve it.

Any good cop will tell you that the question is not if they can pull that trigger the first time but if they can pull it again the next time if they do kill someone. An honest answers is that they don't know.

To look at another person and know that whether they continue to live or die is solely in your hands is very somber and sobering realization. Not everyone can handle that reality. And thankfully, not everyone has to face that knowledge.

My best advice is to never find out for yourself and to try to avoid situations that may make you find out.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


The only time it is ok to kill anyone or anything is if you're in mortal danger or hungry respectively. Otherwise when we use primitive terms like "Bad people" we open our intentions up to interpretation and rationalization... It works like that old saying "To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail."

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, and highly encouraged also

We KNOW who the bad people are also...so, here is a checklist, kill any in these groups

rapists
thieves
drug dealers
drug users
alchoholics
republicans
communists
democrats
anyone over 45
men with beards
women with beards
sex offenders
sex addicts
sexually repressed
sexy women that wont date me
satanists
christians
anyone not a christian
politicians
the white man
the brown man
the yellow man
the red man

hmm...think thats a good start...more may come later.

I understand where you are coming from...that basically someone who hates Jews may call Jews evil or someone who hates Muslims may call Muslims evil but I mean more like unanimous decisions such as a cereal killer who has killed a few dozen innocent people. Would this person or other murderers, rapists or drug dealers okay to kill?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

What's wrong with the traditional way of locking them up?

Is there really a difference between locking them up for life or killing them besides not having to use people's taxes to pay for our already crowded jails?

So we skip the idea of locking up drug dealers, rapists, and gang bangers, and kill them off.

Isn't that mass genocide considering the prominence of these actions in the world? Why not lock them up, save said family from suffering, and potentially reconcile them to society?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by GrandKitaro777]

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, and highly encouraged also

We KNOW who the bad people are also...so, here is a checklist, kill any in these groups

rapists
thieves
drug dealers
drug users
alchoholics
republicans
communists
democrats
anyone over 45
men with beards
women with beards
sex offenders
sex addicts
sexually repressed
sexy women that wont date me
satanists
christians
anyone not a christian
politicians
the white man
the brown man
the yellow man
the red man

hmm...think thats a good start...more may come later.

I understand where you are coming from...that basically someone who hates Jews may call Jews evil or someone who hates Muslims may call Muslims evil but I mean more like unanimous decisions such as a cereal killer who has killed a few dozen innocent people. Would this person or other murderers, rapists or drug dealers okay to kill?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

What's wrong with the traditional way of locking them up?

Is there really a difference between locking them up for life or killing them besides not having to use people's taxes to pay for our already crowded jails?

So we skip the idea of locking up drug dealers, rapists, and gang bangers, and kill them off.

Isn't that mass genocide considering the prominence of these actions in the world? Why not lock them up, save said family from suffering, and potentially reconcile them to society?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by GrandKitaro777]

Economically a genocide like that may be pretty beneficial. I honestly do not believe men such as Charles Manson and Ted Bundy can not be reconciled to society. But even if they could would you really want them walking on the same streets as yourself or your wife or kids?? I surely would not.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

S & F, by the way

Valuable thread topic


You see, this is the hypocrisy of those who imagine (because they've been programmed that way) to think 'God is Watching' every post they write

They truly believe a sane god would be cited by Dubya as 'approving' of the murder of millions of Iraqis and Aghanis not to mention the slaughter that's ongoing in the African continent yet which is virtually ignored in favour of endless speculation about 'saviour space aliens coming to save us'

What's 'war', folks ?

Is it about 'killing' ?

Are all those killed by our various governments automatically 'bad people' ?

Are all those killed in the millions each year by qualified medicos and Big Pharma also automatically 'bad people' ?

Are all those killed by irresponsible, narcissistic drunkards also automatically 'bad people' ?

Are all those children who're raped, tortured, killed and filmed in the process by the 'high and mighty of the land' automatically 'bad kids' ?

Are all those women and children murdered by husbands and fathers (who instead should have killed themselves if they felt like killing anyone) to be considered 'bad mothers and kids ' ?

All those old people who're smashed to the ground by someone desperate for money for a fix ? 'Bad old people' ? They survived wars, depressions, worked all their lives, suffer from arthritis and other weakening conditions. And they're smashed to the ground and robbed of a few pence.

So we KNOW that God doesn't give a damn who dies

How do we know ?

Well, what sort of god would sit back and allow a grown male to rape an infant ?

And don't give me the 'free will' argument, because it's a cop-out. A desperate cop-out from desperate clergy, hundreds of years ago, when a browbeaten public began opening its eyes and seeing quite a lot about this 'god' they'd been taught to fear and worship that didn't stack up

No. We're on our own in this dimension/planet/world

We're animals. We're pretty disgusting a lot of the time. Trying to tart it up with nonsense about 'free will' and 'sanctity of life' just doesn't work these days as it did in the past

We're animals in a zoo. Some animals in the zoo are a danger to the rest. In the recognised animal-kingdom, the herd or pack would dispense of the problematic members in the interests of the majority. You don't see herds of wilderbeast working their backsides off in order to pay for the renegade members of the herd to sit in an enclosure and do nothing all day. Waste of resources. Stupid. Self defeating

Particularly self defeating when study after study shows that the majority of offenders re-offend

Conclusion: some members of our 'human' herd are born bad. We know they're born bad from the crimes they commit. We see that they have no respect for anyone else, no respect for the rights and property of others, no respect for other's right to life, etc.

We don't need them. We'd be better off without them. We don't like them. They don't like us and seek only to exploit, bash, rob, rape, kill us and ours

But our 'religion' purports to tell us that we should keep scum alive ---- BECAUSE IT WILL REFLECT BETTER ON *us* IN THE ALLEGED EYES OF GOD


But I want to know where is God when babies are being raped, when people are being slaughtered by armed forces for profit ?

Where is God when young and old die from cold and hunger ?

So, if GOD doesn't care about the deaths of the vulnerable, the innocent victims of scum politics --- doesn't care when a good woman and her children are strangled and burned by the husband and father because he wants to collect the insurance and run away to Mexico with a waitress --- then God surely isn't going to even blink when I decide I'll kill the bastard to broke into my house and bashed my family.

I believe God is going to say: ' Good move. That's what I'd do too, if I gave a damn about that redundant planet/zoo '

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Dock9]

Parasites. Manipulative liars, schemers, hoaxers, thieves, perverts, leeches, and people who abuse power are part of life. Because in each generation, variation is introduced by both the recombinant factors of genetics and natural mutation, there will be people of every new batch who are fundamentally inclined toward destructive behaviors. Where in the past we spent huge amounts of money to try to "rehabilitate" many, with a high rate of failure, in the future we should not shy away from removing them. People who mean badly and intend to parasitize others will never change and the rest of society should not be penalized for their dysfunction.

Wow. All you people who advocated killing drug dealers, sex offenders, rapists, murders, etc, sound like you would perfectly agree with extremist terrorists in their views.

And this is who you are fighting against? Or are they "bad guys" too, and also deserve to be killed?

The logic fails me. Pick one side or the other, you can't have both.

only to defend your life or your family or something like that ... but really, if I had the power, I dont know ...

if someone rapes some person close, I would pay to get the guy tortured and killed ... yes ... but I think this is inside the defending ...

the problem with killing bad people is that, if somebody is crazy, maybe bad people are not bad, you dont know the person background, you dont know if the person is really evil or what happened, so, I dont think you can say killing bad people is right, because you cant judge a person that easily ... but again, defending your family or whatever is a good call to kill ...

in some situations u just dont have a choice, you will have to do it ... this happens in nature all the time, animals kill to protect, to eat, whatever ... so ...

but I aprove to kill murderers ... like serial killers, people thatdont give life a value deserve to die, I dont think they deserve to get like 5 years in prison for killing ... I think they deserve to get buried too

prison wouldnt be a problem in my "perfect" judging system ... I think prison should be a place to learn, but nowadays a lot of people damaged that think killing is right are there and they cause problems to people that did some crimes you could recover from ...

reply to post by Dock9


I agree with most of what you said except I believe human beings are separate from other animals in that we have souls and a conscience. A tiger may kill another tiger and will not feel guilt but if a "normal" person kills another person, they will feel guilt.

WARNING - WARNING - WARNING - WARNING....the following video is EXTREMELY graphic. Watch at your own risk!!!!!!!!!!

This video is labeled wrong...when I was deployed to Kosovo and Bosnia, this video was shown and we met three of the Chechen soldiers who served under Commander Dzhokar Dudayev. The man doing the deed is Dzhokar's brother in arms (i.e. a Lieutenant), Ramzan, and he was teaching his fellow troops how to execute prisoners.

Here is why I posted this video. The man who does the deed was found during a raid about 2 weeks after this by russian soldiers. They shot him dead AFTER he gave up. IMO...this mans death would of been NO SWEAT off my ass the day I put a bullet in his brain...

So watch this video..and ask yourself...if that was your brother, friend, father, etc....what would you do?

AGAIN----WARNING...VERY REAL...VERY DISTURBING!!! But needs to be seen if you think there AREN'T people out there who kill just for fun..and live with NO regrets.

www.liveleak.com...

[edit on 2/4/2010 by rcwj1975]

Reply to post by adifferentbreed

Exactly. Protect the innocent from those who have shown themselves to be a threat. It's society's duty to remove such trash so that no other innocents are harmed. If it doesn't it's just as guilty because it failed to protect.


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Originally posted by Faiol
only to defend your life or your family or something like that ... but really, if I had the power, I dont know ...

if someone rapes some person close, I would pay to get the guy tortured and killed ... yes ... but I think this is inside the defending ...

the problem with killing bad people is that, if somebody is crazy, maybe bad people are not bad, you dont know the person background, you dont know if the person is really evil or what happened, so, I dont think you can say killing bad people is right, because you cant judge a person that easily ... but again, defending your family or whatever is a good call to kill ...

in some situations u just dont have a choice, you will have to do it ... this happens in nature all the time, animals kill to protect, to eat, whatever ... so ...

but I aprove to kill murderers ... like serial killers, people thatdont give life a value deserve to die, I dont think they deserve to get like 5 years in prison for killing ... I think they deserve to get buried too

prison wouldnt be a problem in my "perfect" judging system ... I think prison should be a place to learn, but nowadays a lot of people damaged that think killing is right are there and they cause problems to people that did some crimes you could recover from ...

So what about repeat offenders?? Someone who may have killed someone, was released and arrested for killing another person. Do they deserve a third chance? You say in order to defend your family it is okay to kill but say the person who killed your family gets away but you know who it is. Would you go after them to kill them? The person isn't really posing a threat to you but he killed your family, so this wouldn't be self defense anymore, it would be revenge killing.

reply to post by rcwj1975

I'm going to pass on the video...

But I will agree that there ARE people in this world that will kill another, simply because they can and/or want to. Scary thought. A more scary thought, there are people in this world that will do so without emotional response because they are incapable of the emotional response. Some people are wired differently (or maybe mis-wired) is a better concept.



[edit on 5-2-2010 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by GrandKitaro777

Originally posted by SonsOfAnarchy

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Yes, and highly encouraged also

We KNOW who the bad people are also...so, here is a checklist, kill any in these groups

rapists
thieves
drug dealers
drug users
alchoholics
republicans
communists
democrats
anyone over 45
men with beards
women with beards
sex offenders
sex addicts
sexually repressed
sexy women that wont date me
satanists
christians
anyone not a christian
politicians
the white man
the brown man
the yellow man
the red man

hmm...think thats a good start...more may come later.

I understand where you are coming from...that basically someone who hates Jews may call Jews evil or someone who hates Muslims may call Muslims evil but I mean more like unanimous decisions such as a cereal killer who has killed a few dozen innocent people. Would this person or other murderers, rapists or drug dealers okay to kill?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

What's wrong with the traditional way of locking them up?

Is there really a difference between locking them up for life or killing them besides not having to use people's taxes to pay for our already crowded jails?

So we skip the idea of locking up drug dealers, rapists, and gang bangers, and kill them off.

Isn't that mass genocide considering the prominence of these actions in the world? Why not lock them up, save said family from suffering, and potentially reconcile them to society?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by GrandKitaro777]

Economically a genocide like that may be pretty beneficial. I honestly do not believe men such as Charles Manson and Ted Bundy can not be reconciled to society. But even if they could would you really want them walking on the same streets as yourself or your wife or kids?? I surely would not.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by SonsOfAnarchy]

People who committed heinous acts such as Charles Manson and Ted Bundy would never walk the streets because of the consequence of being locked in prison for life. I'm generally speaking for first-time offenders and crimes such as gang banging and drug dealing. Should first time offenders be killed off, in which they hold the potential of reconciling and in some cases hold reasonable reasons for action they committed?

Short answer, yeah its bad, long answer, personal opinion based.

Fighting fire with fire is never the answer though. Simply killing the problem solves nothing, nobody learns, and your left with the same thing you killed.

Originally posted by seattletruth
Wow. All you people who advocated killing drug dealers, sex offenders, rapists, murders, etc, sound like you would perfectly agree with extremist terrorists in their views.

And this is who you are fighting against? Or are they "bad guys" too, and also deserve to be killed?

The logic fails me. Pick one side or the other, you can't have both.

as I said, to kill sex offenders, rapists is a problem, I think if someone did to your family, in my opinion it would be the right thing to kill .... but to execute in a legal system its a big problem, because you just cant prove sometimes and there A LOT of cases that the rape didnt happen, the woman was just a bad person ...

you cant kill a drug dealer, he is not doing the same as a murderer ... he is just trying to make money ...

but a murderer doesnt deserve to live, because these people dont value life, they value money and they dont care if they kill to get it, so, in my perfect world, they would be executed ...

the real problem is proving, because you dont want to execute someone without conclusive evidence, but as tecnology evolves, this may not be a problem in future

but this will never happen, as I said, there are a lot of people that defends human rights and I think its sick, since they live in a perfect world, where violence dont get to them, thats the only explanation for u to defend a criminal ...
to ask for a proper legal jugdment and to get proper evidences is something, but to say you cant kill someone because its a human right, man, thats dumb ... some people just are born with a desire to kill and cant be recovered, and some people dont value life, so, they kill and dont care ... thats sick

reply to post by rcwj1975


I think this man in the video must be sick in the head and after seeing this video, any man who can do such a thing as that does not even deserve a second chance...Certain things are forgivable and a second chance can be given but if you can slit someones throat like that(by his voice he didn't sound too concerned either) you do not deserve another chance...much like the previous examples I gave of Ted Bundy and Charles Manson.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
I'm going to pass on the video...

But I will agree that there ARE people in this world that will kill another, simply because the can and/or want to. Scary thought. A more scary thought, there are people in this world that will do so without emotional response because they are incapable of the emotional response. Some people are wired differently (or maybe mis-wired) is a better analogy.

And skipping on the video is usually society saying "oh no, I don't wanna really see the REALITY of what goes on". Not to offend you LadySkadi in any way...I just hate when people come to threads like this with their way of thinking...but really have NO CLUE what a cruel and evil world we live in.

People actually think NO ONE could kill and feel nothing...WRONG
People actually think EVERYONE is capable of rehab...WRONG
People actually think NO ONE could do such unspeakable deeds that they in turn should be executed...sorry..but WRONG....

There is evil among us with no goals except to do whatever it takes to get what they want...act as they choose...etc...95% of people who have never seen a murder, never seen true violence, etc...are usually the ones who claim that people aren't that bad....well again...humans prove time and time again..thats just WRONG.

reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy


The first thing that came to my mind when I saw the threads title was Dexter's face. Guess I've been watching it too much, eh?

Interesting question, though, but I'd say no. I don't believe in killing anyone except in direct self-defense. The murders, rapist, pedophiles, and the other dark parts of human society need to be caged. A quick execution is much too soft for some of these freaks, and innocents have been falsely accused and executed, so it's not a fool proof system, so just lock up the psychopaths and throw away the key. A lifetime of imprisonment is much better suited as a punishment than a swift death at the end of a needle.