I want Immortality

Good luck to you, I say!!!



Anything is possible.

One way to live forever.

Do something the world can remember. Be well known to the people, hated or loved.

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
One way to live forever.

Do something the world can remember. Be well known to the people, hated or loved.

Not the same.

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
One way to live forever.

Do something the world can remember. Be well known to the people, hated or loved.

Now THAT is good advice

well said

-Kyo

I too would take immortality if it were offered to me. Right now I think the closest we can get to it is cryogenic stasis which at the moment we cannot be taken out of without dying, and if you're just going to be asleep for your immortality whats the point? You might wake up in a star trek future one day but you'll still just be joe average.

build a big statue, it is physical after all.

Originally posted by platipus
build a big statue, it is physical after all.

If I ever have the money I probably will have a statue built of myself.

Originally posted by troubleshooter
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But there is no other way...
...either accept the gift or add your body to the pile of human 'road-kill'...
...which will happen to all of us here within about fifty years from now.

Paul said in a letter to the Romans "...by the offence of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus) the free gift came upon all men."

Immortality is offered to you as a gift...you only have to accept it.

immortality is not offered to anybody, nor will it ever be.

what can be given can also be taken away.

you are already everlasting. you are immortal by "nature".

the restless mind which we all identify with gets up to an almost infinite number of tricks to continue its own existence. acquiring immortality is one of them. even if one did manage to live for thousands of years, you would eventually become restless becaue its not what you really are.

its only advantage, and its a great one, would be to enquire and solve who you really are, without being interupted in your spiritual pursuit by death/reincarnation and its possible poor environment that is unsuited to your search.

we all have to realize that we are the most blessed omnipotent omniscient omnipotent ever glorious soul. stilling the mind is the first step.

Imagine if you gained immortality, only to be buried alive...

Talk about a nightmare of a situation. I'd go insane being buried alive even if it took a few hours to die of asphyxiation, let alone being stuck underground for eternity.

Sorry to all the claustrophobic people for putting this thought in your minds, lol.

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Very wise thing to mention.

It's why in our immortality we don't mean the whole body is immortal. It doesn't make sense when we need "emergency exit" plans for conditions such as being buried alive.

Originally posted by LordBucket
I'm more inclined to think that it's relatively easy. The body is constantly replacing cells. Physical immortality isn't really a matter of "preserving" the body, so much as maintaining conscious connection to a more or less consistent physical form. I don't see anyone seriously suggesting that you "die" when your cells replace themselves. So all you need to do is be able to regenerate the body.

Get smashed by a meteor? No problem. Just build a new body.

So long as you have continuity of consciousness, continuity of form should be relatively trivial.

Hi Bucket,
I understand what you're saying, I used "preserving" as a simplistic term due to it being early morning here and needing sleep.

The trick is in continuity of consciousness. Not many people have ever been fully aware, as in maintaining soul level of awareness while in the physical form. And while those few may easily have created their specific form used they still relinquished, took away the focused awareness, of it at the end of their tasks. In ancient times some cultures referred to these as Walkers. The ones who outlived many generations for their specific missions.

One must wonder why anyone would think it so very important to want to be here physically for eternity. It cannot be for "death" avoidance for if one was sufficiently aware and therefore able to become physically eternal they would also understand the lack of importance in this 3D realm. Here lay a Catch 22 scenario.

Personally, I much prefer the naturally occuring way we live eternally as souls. This allows us to have little physical contact patches (bodies/forms) in many realms at the same time, as opposed to using fully focused awareness to maintain one tiny form in one small reality layer, Forever.

It makes no sense to me I'm sorry.

Well,This is a hard one,its funny don't we all want Immortality eventually.What is it you're trying to accomplish?

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You got it.

You are immortal. Your soul just stays here for as long as it takes to learn your lesson, then you die physically, and the soul (after refreshing) returns here in another body to live another life and continue the learning process. There are levels of accomplishment, stages to complete. We all finish the process at the same time. Many people living here now already have reached the level of ascension and are simply waiting for the rest of the souls here to catch up.

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further to my earlier post;-

to continue existence in your current body, and i have toyed with the idea myself, head for and stay in india as long as your circumstances permit.
wander around india and play it by ear. visit holy places, mix with sadhus and try and pick up where the most advanced yogis are hanging out. they might be in a suburb of mumbai or out in the "sticks". it will be like a detective game.

knowledge of "life extension" is very rare and hard to come by, but it does exist in india. it has been there for centuries. someone skilled in the art must take you through, it takes 3 months. there are special herbs involved but these are an adjunct only. the practitioner cannot take him/herself through. your hair and teeth will fall out but at the end of it you will have a 25 y.o. body, a new life force and you will then age like before. then you can repeat the process. the life current is like a battery, perhaps a rechargeable one or maybe a new one is slipped in the case, i'm not sure. (i often wonder if its a measurable force like some ultra high frequency current, or whether its of a subtle nature which does not respond to our physical instruments). it does pulsate/flow between the planet and the cosmos/sun. it flows between the sacrum and the top of the skull where that whorl of hair sits. you can slow down the ageing process by doing inverted postures as in the headstand, or half/shoulder stand if total inversion is not possible due to current age of present body/whatever. serious practitioners of hatha yoga will appear 50 at the age of 90. yoga culture goes back 6000 years and these guys really know what goes on in and around the body at different dimensional levels. known to them are the anatomies of the astral body and causal body. they have had a long time to perfect their arts. they know and can see the effects of certain positions of the body on subtle nerve centers. they see the subtle body with their pineal gland/third eye. and for the religous;= "if therefore thine eye be single, your body shall be full of light". thats in the new testament somewhere.

babaji, who is wonderfully described in yogananda's "autobiography of a yogi", and taught his teachers teacher, claimed to be alive 2000 years ago. he mentions his current life force being all but used up and drew a few close friends to his side as he prepared to renew the force. it appears he was quite advanced and did not need 3 months to prepare.

another old book (published 1936) i have relates the story of a 90 year old who was offered the process but declined saying he did not want to extend the life of the ego.
his companion pointed out that he could continue his "tapas" yoga without the uncertancies of rebirth. so he accepted, rejuvenated, aged, did it again and died about 243 years old.

i hope this has been of some inspiration. desires are always fulfilled eventually so its just a matter of time, but how much one can only guess.
breathing slowly also extends life.

for me it would be a novelty to extend a few times but i expect it would become boring eventually. it might depend on the environment, whether it was the kali yuga or a satvic age.
while the cro-magnons keep killing and plundering with scant regard for their own kind, this planet holds little attraction for me, never has.

Originally posted by Jinni


Let's give them some respect for who they are.

I'll add 'Peace be upon him' after their names.

It's a sad state of affairs when filthy politicians are referred to 'your honour' and 'sir' and the prophets are just called by their first names.


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Very good point.

My apologies. You are right about this.

Originally posted by KyoZero

Originally posted by QuantumDeath
One way to live forever.

Do something the world can remember. Be well known to the people, hated or loved.

Now THAT is good advice

well said

-Kyo

This statement assumes that people can only live infinitely by doing something people remember. Therefore, it is apparently the poster's contention that people die and that's final forever.

So... what is it that persaudes the poster to believe that PEOPLE as a race will live forever? Our memory rests with mortals. That makes the memory mortal.

Of course, I'm just questioning your particular logic. You see, you are right. We die and that's it. For a while. But when you're dead, you do not perceive time. So I believe in our perceptions, as soon as we die, we see the end result - even if it takes thousands of years for the end result to be accomplished.

Enjoy.

Actually the three month training is just the initial step -- it's called "laying the foundation" as a "gong" -- read the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" translated by Charles Luk -- the same practice in there is the basis for Yogananda's Kriya method. Originally this was a tantric practice as well -- but it comes from music trance healing of the Bushmen culture. The training is very strict -- I did the first 3 months but then the energy was too powerful for modern civilization. People around me were freaking out since I no longer needed food nor water and also I had telepathy, telekinesis and precognition besides healing energy. Another good source are the books of Master Nan, Huai-chin but they're now out of print in English although his student Bill Bodri has a new book cowritten with Master Nan, Huai chin -- meditationexpert.com...

Anyway the diet is "no salt" which also means "no grains" -- so it's more than being just vegetarian. And then you even stop most food intake as well. I took classes from someone who went 49 days in a cave taking no food, no water and no sleep -- sitting in full-lotus, just like Sri Yukteswar's tradition. Chunyi Lin is his name and now he does healing and has worked with the Mayo Clinic -- springforestqigong.com... healing serious illness like late term cancer.

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Immortality can be obtained by transfering your soul to another object. Human body is just one object, I believe if you can create another object and manage to somehow transfer this being (whether you call it soul or not) to that object you will live longer.

Once you find the secret you can continue doing it and live as long as you wish. The point is that this is not immortality, this is survival.

I whole heartedly believe that we have a soul, and that this body is merely a tool for that soul. See if we manage to transfer our soul to another tool we can achieve greatness which I suspect is something you are after.

Whether there are rules, or laws governing the transfer of souls etc I don't know, but by connecting the dots I have concluded that the soul is truly transferable. Other than that I don't know.

To give you an example would be computers, from a distance computer do seem as if they are conscious, but the truth is that without humans computers wouldn't be conscious. What we haven't done is merge with computers, if we one day manage to fully merge with computers we will live longer.

We already manage to install robotic hands, robotic feat, etc which are controlled by our nervous system. We are advancing daily, sooner or later we will have everything replaced by different materials. Once we map our brain and find out the true secrets then we will be able to completely transfer and merge with other worldly bodies.

The secret is in the brain, because truly the brain is the receiver, through the brain the soul controls the body.

We don't know if the soul lives on without a body, or whether it will still have memory, or whether it will be able to interact with worldly bodies or not.

If you are really sure in regards to becoming an immortal and willing to pursue it what you need to do ultimately is to learn everything about your brain. That means through science, not some magical mumbo jumbo. It is achievable, all you have to do is pursue it.

One day you might be able to transfer your soul, and have your memory intact, or not? Depends on what secrets you reveal by studying human brain.

Once you find the secret don't forget about oozyism

Anyways good luck in your journey and most of all have fun.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by oozyism]

There is a simple key to learning how to become immortal. I don't know any secret to immortality but I know some basic concepts and how you could figure such a thing out personally, and that knowledge is probably not going to translate well into words anyway.


First of all the obvious, you have to be in good physical health to begin with, or put yourself into good physical health. Imo there are no diseases that can't be overcome. There are even cases of people overcoming HIV/AIDS, etc., and doctors saying, "If you think you can't be cured, you're right; and if you think you CAN be cured, you're also right." It's all about belief. None of this is any more real than you personally choose to make it for yourself anyway.

The next thing that you should simultaneously be focused on is meditation. And lucid dreaming/astral projection. Specifically in meditation you want to focus on awareness in your body. That is bringing conscious awareness to ALL parts of your body equally. The idea is to be consciously aware of every single cell in your body and what is happening to them all. This sounds daunting but consider you can be in excellent over-all health and simply focus in on any "problem aware" (which your awareness should be able to find with increasing subtlety and vigilance). And just continually refine all the structures within your body to allow your natural processes fundamental to your life to continue unimpeded.


Here is a healthy 90-some year-old yoga master who says the same thing, that his practice of yoga basically consists of increasing his conscious awareness all over and throughout his entire body.



"I said my consciousness should be present evenly from my head to the bottom of my foot."

He also says the body should be equal on both sides from the center of the body, basically the spine, outwards to both sides. And he also makes a reference to his yoga practice becoming his "blood cells."


But in coincidence with this physical upkeep and increasing sensitivity through quiet and attentive meditation to body awareness and management of perpetual health and good functioning, the mind should also be seeking to travel to non-physical realms during sleep or deep meditation, ie lucid dreaming or astral projection, whether there is a difference between the two, or some distinction and one leads to the other, either way.

Through practicing lucid dreaming, for example, and increasing your conscious awareness in what (for most people) is a completely subconscious realm, that most people don't remember much of upon waking and regaining physical consciousness, you can access information, knowledge, understanding, and experience states of being completely from a purely "mental" body. You can get in touch with guides and sources of information in alignment with your intentions and the energies you are in resonance with in these states ("I am what I am") and so by focusing your awareness on achieving and maintaining perfect health you can learn something about it. Fine-tuning this intention so that it finally practically merges with your pre-conceptions of what it SHOULD be like (pre-conceived ideas which you must overcome) will probably require some attentiveness and experimentation itself.

Also in your lucid dreaming/astral projection, you can move your consciousness to very specific parts of your body and interface with them, and learn what exactly is going on there and how any problems may be remedied. For example you can project inwardly to your heart and interface with it somehow (through the lucid dream/AP environment you create) and this will automatically subconsciously connect mental and physical processes to aid whatever changes are necessary in order to maintain perfect health there. And similarly every little nook and cranny, your glands, your other organs, nervous system, spine, skin, eyes, ears, teeth, brain, etc. The same principle applies as with diseases that any problems can be overcome if you simply bring enough conscious intention and awareness to the table.

So that at least gives you some idea as to what all may be entailed here. Note that there ARE records of people living to be anywhere from over 200 years old, in China, to over 500 years in India, though these kinds of historical records are often treated with about as much credibility by modern science as Biblical stories of people living to be 900 or of people being "immortal" in general. People scoff at what they can't even comprehend.

Also there are many esoteric stories, including Elijah from the Bible, also all through Hinduism and some other cultures, of people who take their whole physical bodies and just transcend physical space and time altogether in a single instant, and are gone. They don't die, they just disappear. And in Jewish tradition a seat is left for Elijah as passover because he is considered able to physically re-manifest any time he wishes, because his entire body was of enough awareness to change its conscious frequency in such a way. In this way being a human being is seen as a seed in potential. There are billions of us, but only one or two here and there actually sprout into the purely spiritual beings that we could grow into with the proper nurturing.

And also this must be a continual process, because as soon as you stop taking such good care of yourself, and governing like a king over all the most minute processes of your kingdom, it will once again go into a mode of decay. I know of no method by which it would be possible to just "achieve" it in one instant and then maintain it forever. It requires eternal vigilance and awareness.



Also remember your cells die and are entirely replaced every so many years, I think 7 is the number generally given. So every 7 years you are in an entirely new body anyway. But people don't realize this. So there is absolutely no theoretical reason why you can't maintain your physical health indefinitely, through the perpetual death and replacement of healthy cells. And in that way you must constantly be re-born into your physical body.

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