I want Immortality

Hi. I'm not asking to bother you or irritate you in any way. I would just like to know if it fascinates you or if you really have extreme goals that you prefer to reach within the next couple hundred years. Maybe your the kind of person that might want to try every possibility that life has. But again, I am just very interested and curious with your thoughts on having immortality. If you like we can privately talk about this (message wise) and I can try to help with some information on the subject. But it is based on your sudden beliefs and so on. Consider the option.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


Yes, I agree with you.

In all cases, Jesus, Moses, Mohammed etc. God communicated to his prophets through Arch Angel Gabriel.

Also, I'm fed up of people bouncing sacred names Jesus, Moses like they are just some kind of tom dick and harry.

Let's give them some respect for who they are.

I'll add 'Peace be upon him' after their names.

It's a sad state of affairs when filthy politicians are referred to 'your honour' and 'sir' and the prophets are just called by their first names.

That's just disrespectful.

I can't wait for Jesus to come again and put everything right.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Jinni]

reply to post by Tayesin

Physical Immortality is a misnomer. It simply cannot be achieved in the
physical body no matter what you think you can do to get it.

I'm more inclined to think that it's relatively easy. The body is constantly replacing cells. Physical immortality isn't really a matter of "preserving" the body, so much as maintaining conscious connection to a more or less consistent physical form. I don't see anyone seriously suggesting that you "die" when your cells replace themselves. So all you need to do is be able to regenerate the body.

Get smashed by a meteor? No problem. Just build a new body.

So long as you have continuity of consciousness, continuity of form should be relatively trivial.

First things first OP. You are either:

A: Quite clearly mental
or
B: Under the influence of '___'

Either way do not attempt what I am about to suggest to you.
There is a theory called Quantum Suicide, you can read about here:

Unlike Schrödinger's cat-in-a-box thought experiment which used poison gas and a radioactive decay trigger, this human version involves some sort of lethal weapon and a machine which measures the spin value of a photon. Every 10 seconds, the spin value of a randomly passing photon is measured. Depending on the orientation of the spin, either the weapon is deployed and the man is killed, or it is not and he lives.

With each run of the experiment there is a 50-50 chance that the weapon will be triggered and the experimenter will die. According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the weapon will (in all likelihood) eventually be triggered and the experimenter will die. If the many-worlds interpretation is correct then at each run of the experiment, the experimenter will be split into one world in which he survives and another world in which he dies. In the worlds where the experimenter dies, he will cease to be a conscious entity.

However, from the point of view of the non-dead copies of the experimenter, the experiment will continue running without his ceasing to exist, because at each branch, he will only be able to observe the result in the world in which he survives, and if many-worlds is correct, the surviving copies of the experimenter will notice that he never seems to die, therefore "proving" himself to be invulnerable to the killing mechanism in question, from his own point of view.

If the many-worlds interpretation is true, the measure (given in M.W.I. by the squared norm of the wavefunction) of the surviving copies of the experimenter will decrease by 50% with each run of the experiment, but will remain non-zero. So, if the surviving copies become experimenters, those copies will either die during their first attempt, or survive creating duplicates of themselves (copies of copies, that will survive finitely or die).



So basically all you need to do is attempt to shoot yourself in the head multiple times. If you survive then you are immortal.

Again....dont try this.

reply to post by Jinni


No it is only your opinion but fact is you don't have a damn clue about the after death. Its only speculation, again. I see that you are the religious kind. I don't want to argue with your kind because it wont bring anything good. I don't believe in god neither heaven nor hell. You need to believe such a thing to be happy? Good for you but please don't talk about this **** here.

reply to post by platipus


Yes but first, i don't think common people will ever taste immortality, it will be only for the elite. Secondo, i can't imagine becoming dependant of a machine or a machine myself to survive. But i keep an eye on it...

reply to post by sayzaar


Come on! Who said an Immortal was invincible? Definition: "One not subject to death." source: the free dictionnary. Immortal means being "immuned" to age and time and maybe an enhanced immune system because of a symbiosis between your body/mind and a strict diet. As i said, being Immortal doesn't mean being careless.

reply to post by Tayesin


Ya im sure you have read only the first post.. It is impossible for you? Very well, you just proove how limited your mind is. Sure i don't have proof that its achievable but i do not throw it away only because i find it very unlikely or because the science didn't discover it yet. I say i can MENTALLY handle Immortality. Because you need to think differently to get such of thing. Begging for death after living 200years? Who knows but i sure wouldn't change my mind for that. You don't know until you try. I dont know if it is the good choice but its the choice i made. I can't waste my life in hesitation. After reading your post, my guess is you lost hope and live in fear and despair. Too bad

reply to post by LordBucket


I agree with the fact that the consciousness is the more important. Thats why Immortality would be convenient to survive (consciousness). If you don't know what happen after flesh death, you can't be sure if you will survive or not. But to say "regenerate your body" "relatively easy" "make a new body" is really easy. How would you do that? I wonder...

Near-immortality would be better I think, to live for say, 2000 years and then just kind of go to sleep for a while, and then wake up in a new existence and be able to choose the length and breadth of that new existence would be fair. I really am sick of death as it happens here, it's so... difficult, painful, and life really is much too short. Unfortunately, we got ourselves into this mess and perhaps we have to figure out how to get out of it (and Oh, Dear God, without creating Frankensteins). I didn't start realizing this way of life isn't as necessary as I thought, that there could possibly be a better, more lasting 'Joie la Vive', until I was old enough to realize I really am gonna die one day and it really isn't too long from now. I do believe the Mind lives on, though. So, relax, it's later than you think.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by IGottaBeMe]

Oh dear I guess your about 12yrs old and have been watching tomany vampire films.Or maybe you just watched Dorian Grey.
Nevertheless you will never be imortal as a human and when you get real responsibilities you will be glad you arnt.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by ThenThanCorrectionMan]

reply to post by _damon

Do not take me for some mere human. I don't say i'm special, just i think beyond normal.

What makes you beyond normal in comparison to any of us?

Why not let the next generation have a chance to exist?

What if you could live say longer, but not forever, except have a really long retirement? Wouldn't that burden the younger generations too much?

First we have to maximise the age of the human race before we talk about immortality, or look at other options such as cloning with memory transplant, or an existence out of body inside say a quantum computer.

Does it matter that you don't acheive everything? Is happiness setting attainable goals and reaching them, or is it endlessly trying to do everything until the Sun swallows the Earth in 5 billion years?

Personally, I think it's incredibly selfish to even consider immortality, and there's so many more important issues to deal with on this planet. Lifespans will increase and the younger generations will probably live to 100 on average.

Dying shouldn't be thought of as scary providing you're not too young at the time, because if you cease to exist you aren't aware of it, and if there's an afterlife, then that's great isn't it.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by john124]

IF you think immortality is possible you are crazy. Everything in the universe dies. We are only human i dont care how smart you are or how you think. Humans are imperfect and will never be perfect. No one will ever live forever!!!

reply to post by Crossfate

In essence until you have total control over you and every aspect that makes you you, such as cell structure, genetic traits and DNA manipulation, it's gonna be a tough ride.

So, in essence we need some sort of magical powers, or to master those traits using science over the course of the remaining years of that person's life. It seems silly to waste time considering it possible, and is contradictory to the OP's point about wanting to live forever to do everything - because seriously considering immortality is wasting their precious time (which he/she thinks is worth more than anyone else's time).

Would an immortal person then spend eternity trying to do something else to benefit themselves.

What about the other people's lives that are wasted and spent maintaining someone's immortal body.

By adulthood most mature people stop considering silly fantasies like this.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by john124]

What if humans will never have the perception or capability to understand everything?

If we need to evolve further as a species (which seems likely), then it only makes sense that older generations die for this process to actually work, and each new generation gradually improving mentally, spiritually and physically.

reply to post by Pryde87

I'm not sure you can make something cease to exist. It's like the argument that the physical universe is not really there, it may be only a construct of consciousness, which is a theory that science is testing and has produced some evidence of. But, if that consciousness was already there, there is no way to make it cease to exist. It's already there, and the only conclusion is, that it would merely change form, no?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by IGottaBeMe]

Originally posted by happygolucky
reply to post by _damon

 

Immortality awaits...

Though the key word in there is waits...they have a few things to iron out (crystallization of cells for one), but it will happen IMO.

Was about to suggest that, ya...

Ultimately OPs, your only real possibility of attaining some sort of longevity will be getting frozen when you die and pray that we invent a nano-assembler before we end up destroying ourselves

Do a search on Engines Of Creation. a free online book (slightly dated now) that discusses this tech. A good fiction book to read if your not wanting to know the science is called "The First Immortal".

As far as wishing for vampires or whatnot...stop dreaming. Immortality is promised to nobody and simply put, there is not a single case of anything alive being immortal...why would you think anyone has the info?

nope...save your money and sign up with alcor is the only real potential you got for a maybe senario...assume it wont work, but like buying a scratch off ticket, you may get lucky.

reply to post by _damon

But to say "regenerate your body" "relatively easy" "make a new body"
is really easy. How would you do that? I wonder...

...well, one way to look at it would be that there are already a little over 6 billion factories on this planet merrily producing new bodies on a daily basis.

If your consciousness survives death, all you have to do is inhabit one.

What I'm suggesting, of course, is that the "immortality" that you're looking for may well already be the normal state of affairs. If so, then it might make more sense to seek not ways of extending the life of the body...but rather, ways to retain continuity of consciousness apart from the body you already have.

Once you've acheived that, the decision of whether to inhabit a new physical vessel may be both trivial and irrelevant.

Originally posted by italian stallion
IF you think immortality is possible you are crazy. Everything in the universe dies.

Hmm..depends on the defination of death.

One could simply say everything in the universe is in a nonstop conversion process...convert bits of calcium, protein, and other stuff into a life form, then it converts back into the mud it came from to begin with upon decay, turns into grass, etc etc...the circle of life simba and all that.

Energy is eternal, but what form it takes is always changing.

Originally posted by LordBucket
If your consciousness survives death, all you have to do is inhabit one.

Great, now...what is a consciousness that cannot be described as little more than learned behavioral traits...consciousness is not some thing...its a philosophy that is argueably not even real...a manifestation of the ego demanding that there must be more to you than just a really advanced quantum computer in biochemical form.

reply to post by SaturnFX

a really advanced quantum computer in biochemical form.

If biochemical forms are sufficiently complicated to form complex, neural networks that exhibit non-newtonian behavior...

...who's to say that similar systems do not form amidst the infinity of the uncollapsed wave form?

reply to post by _damon


I talk about whatever I want just like you do.

Are you some kind of terrorist Nazi or something.

Are you against freedom of speech.

So someone who think there is life after death should shut up and go away and ONLY you can spurt your nonsense!?

No wonder you are so limited.

The OP needs to put those Dragonball Z DVDs away.

Is this a "troll post"? Yeah it is and you deserve it, _damon.

Don't expect to take your body into immortality, and you'll be there quicker.

Pretty wise words the bible(s) spoke of to leave the body behind. Scientifically, it would deplete the natural resources of Earth if everybody came to Earth just to get a body that they would take somewhere else in the galaxy, universe, beyond, and never return to Earth.

It would be like a faucet that never completely closed.

Just make sure you soul is immortal. Have a sense of spirituality.