All UFO's Are Ours, Aliens Haven't Visited Ever, & Believers Are Possibly Delusional

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
I'm afraid that I'll have to disagree with ya here, Signals... While the recent 'evidence' might be sketchy, the ancient evidence is far more compelling... The Nasca Lines, Sumerian Petroglyphs, Mayan carvings... All from an age that predates the UFO phenomenon...

Thank you Jaxon! yeah, i guess all of the rulers and elite of antiquity were playing a game of slieght of hand with there citizens for power and monetary gain also! A few compelling books some of you hardnosed (blind and or ignorant) skeptics should take the time to read!

The cosmic war: Joseph P. Farrell, Forbidden Archeology: Michael A. Cremo and Richard L. Thompson, Exempt from Disclosure: Robert M. Collins with Richard C. Doty, Alien Agenda: Jim Marrs, Sight Unseen: Budd Hopkins and Caro Rainey, eehh! and what the hell! Charriots of the Gods while your at it!

And if your still completely 100% skeptical! well than i feel for ya!

note: I do understand that Forbidden Archeology i s not an book on ufology (though there are many references made thoughout the book regarding the matter!) it is probably the best example of the lengths the government, religious, and science mainstream establishments of modern society will and have gone to hide the "TRUTHS" about the history of the human beings of this planet! I feel it compliments these and many other fine works of ufology literature, an amazing book!

A healthy dose of skepticism is the correct aproach to any sort of alternative science investigation or research, to not have any degree of skepticism is an equal and opposite amount of blindness and ignorance as the total skeptic posesses....but meself believes more than not, hehe!PEACE! devil

[edit on 13-2-2010 by damdevildog]

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


so can you say that the bible has more truth in it then what the original civilized people believe? enki created the first man and the other gods(aliens) got mad because he wanted them to be on level ground with them when he helped them survive the flood caused by these gods(aliens) he was treated as your satan was in the bible he became a bad guy!

with that being said you notice how god had humans running around non self aware and supposively satan came aong and enlightened man so to speak and has the bad reputation..but if you look closer there is alot of common ground between enki and satan...and enki created first man...jesus was told long before he came even the egyptians have a jesus different name ofcourse and different embodiment but story all in all the same..

the bible might have alot of stuff in it that you could go off of like you have done in alot of posts in the recent pages...but alot of that was told in different religions and different ways but alot of common ground before christianity was ever thought of!

The rise of solid state devices and computers coincide with the Roswell incident. It is not a smoking gun but it is evidence that needs to be considered.

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by InnerstellarOne

 

so can you say that the bible has more truth in it then what the original civilized people believe? enki created the first man and the other gods(aliens) got mad because he wanted them to be on level ground with them when he helped them survive the flood caused by these gods(aliens) he was treated as your satan was in the bible he became a bad guy!

with that being said you notice how god had humans running around non self aware and supposively satan came aong and enlightened man so to speak and has the bad reputation..but if you look closer there is alot of common ground between enki and satan...and enki created first man...jesus was told long before he came even the egyptians have a jesus different name ofcourse and different embodiment but story all in all the same..

the bible might have alot of stuff in it that you could go off of like you have done in alot of posts in the recent pages...but alot of that was told in different religions and different ways but alot of common ground before christianity was ever thought of!

So you believe that (God) enki is a 'n-word' alien and that he is just some alien who created it all.

and satan is the result for man kinds conciouss wellbeing?

And no, If you knew the Holy bible, God is the Alpha and the Omega BegginingEnd.

Omniscience is how God works, which is more the science then man will ever know, As for jesus just being some prophet who is just the story of the (Sun) of (God) as explained in other religions pre to christianty is just a stupid crob of Quable because, Jesus was sent to earth to redeem man, And look at his as an ET if you want, Heck but no man can ever compare to jesus, He really was the most pure of humans, Born of no sin.


Plus Jesus had to be in place since Satan could no longer be the right hand of God cause of his stubborness to over throw the all power God, So God sent us His own son, Who is God in human form, So if your saying that jesus is just a prophet and that he is just on of many in mankinds existance, You best check your beliefs, Because we have had God himself in human form teaching us the true ways of life and religion.

Father, Son and Holy spirit = God,
Just though you might want to know..

(Personal Question)
Btw your name is metalholic, i sense that you are an imposter amongst us metal heads, Your metal is not sufficient enough,
Go listen to disturbed some more kthxbai

[edit on 14-2-2010 by InnerstellarOne]

reply to post by metalholic

Actually it was Namma, Enki's mother who created man, but Enki gave her the idea.

And after Enki, the fashioner of designs by himself, had pondered the matter, he said to his mother Namma: "My mother, the creature you planned will really come into existence. Impose on him the work of carrying baskets. You should knead clay from the top of the abzu; the birth-goddesses (?) will nip off the clay and you shall bring the form into existence. Let Ninmah act as your assistant; and let Ninimma, Šu-zi-ana, Ninmada, Ninbarag, Ninmug, …… and Ninguna stand by as you give birth. My mother, after you have decreed his fate, let Ninmah impose on him the work of carrying baskets."
5 lines fragmentary …… she placed it on grass and purified the birth.

After that Enki and Ninmah got into a drunken argument during the celebration of Namma's creation and got into a little bar bet.

Enki and Ninmah drank beer, their hearts became elated, and then Ninmaḫ said to Enki: "Man's body can be either good or bad and whether I make a fate good or bad depends on my will."

After six tries by Ninmah, Enki gave it a shot. It didn't turn out so well.

In return (?), this was Umul: its head was afflicted, its place of …… was afflicted, its eyes were afflicted, its neck was afflicted. It could hardly breathe, its ribs were shaky, its lungs were afflicted, its heart was afflicted, its bowels were afflicted. With its hand and its lolling head it could not not put bread into its mouth; its spine and head were dislocated. The weak hips and the shaky feet could not carry (?) it on the field -- Enki fashioned it in this way.

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


actually i like disturbed seen them in concert at the nutter center in dayton..i tend to like some other bands better though like godsmack and lamb of god!

here you might like this...if you have time to watch it

reply to post by Phage


According to Sumerian mythology, Enki also assisted humanity to survive the Deluge designed to kill them. In the Legend of Atrahasis, Enlil, the king of the gods, sets out to eliminate humanity, the noise of whose mating is offensive to his ears. He successively sends drought, famine and plague to eliminate humanity, but Enki thwarts his half-brother's plans by teaching Atrahasis about irrigation, granaries and medicine. Humans again proliferate a fourth time. Enraged, Enlil convenes a Council of Deities and gets them to promise not to tell humankind that he plans their total annihilation. Enki does not tell Atrahasis, but instead tells the walls of Atrahasis' (a.k.a. Utnapishtim or Ziusudra) reed hut of Enlil's plan, thus covertly rescuing Atrahasis by either instructing him to build some kind of a boat for his family, or by bringing him into the heavens in a magic boat. After the seven day Deluge, the flood hero frees a swallow, a raven and a dove in an effort to find if the flood waters have receded. On the boat landing, a sacrifice is organised to the gods. Enlil is angry his will has been thwarted yet again, and Enki is named as the culprit. As the god of what we would call ecology, Enki explains that Enlil is unfair to punish the guiltless Atrahasis for the sins of his fellows, and secures a promise that the gods will not eliminate humankind if they practice birth control and live within the means of the natural world. The threat is made, however, that if humans do not honor their side of the covenant the gods will be free to wreak havoc once again. This is apparently the oldest surviving Middle Eastern Deluge myths.

here is the source en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by InnerstellarOne

 

actually i like disturbed seen them in concert at the nutter center in dayton..i tend to like some other bands better though like godsmack and lamb of god!

here you might like this...if you have time to watch it

Nah mate got Zeitgiest on Dvd, Seen about 56 times, Dosent make sense dosent move me.


Disturbed are horrible, such bad music.

Best band ive ever seen in concert maybe have to be Cynic, Or Destroyer666. Such good music

But your little video clip you uploaded Is just trying to get of the basis that jesus is not real Just another story of another story,
May fool incoherint people but wont work on a man of faith

reply to post by Phage


When the 7 tablets[1] that contain this myth were first discovered, evidence indicated that it was used as a "ritual" myth, meaning it was recited during a ceremony or celebration. That celebration is now known to be the Akitu festival, or Babylonian new year. This myth tells of the creation of the world, and of Marduk's triumph over Tiamat, and how it relates to him becoming king of the gods. Then the myth is followed by an invocation to Marduk by his fifty names. [2]

In summary, the text (Enuma Elish) begins telling how in the beginning there was just Tiamat and Apsu, they called into being Mummu, Lahmu, Lahamu, Anshar and Kishar. Anshar and Kishar then created Anu, who was in turn the father of Ea. Ea was often called "the wise one", as he was the smartest of the gods.

The gods danced, and this disturbed Apsu, so he had his messenger Mummu go with him to Tiamat so they can plot what to do about the gods. Tiamat refused to join them, so Apsu and Mummu plotted against them without her. Ea learned of their plans and turned Apsu into the restless sea and turned Mummu into his servant.

Ea and Damkina gave birth to Marduk. Anu was fond of him, and gave him the four winds as playmates. They then upset Tiamat while they played, by pushing against her in play, spurring her into rage and wanting to take action. Tiamat, with her new husband Kingu, planned war against the gods. She made 11 dragons to help her (alternative translations say monsters).

Ea learned of their plans and informed Anshar. They didn't know what to do, so Anshar sent Ea to pacify Tiamat, but he was unable. So Anshar sent Anu, but he was unable. So Anshar told Marduk that he would have to defeat her, though Marduk said he would, he said he would do it if he (Marduk) is declared the king of the gods before the Assembly. Anshar sent Kappa to gather the gods to Upshu-ukkina, where they had their feast and then declared Marduk's status as King of the Gods.

Marduk then was sent off to fight and defeat Tiamat. To help him, he made winds in which would disturb the insides of Tiamat. Then he mounted his four-horsed chariot and rode off to the battle. Marduk defeated Tiamat and Kingu, then he punished (but didn't kill) her army, and took the Tablets of Destiny from Kingu. Having ownership of the Tablet of Destinies meant that he was king of the gods. (see the legend of Imdugud/Anzu) Following his victory, he was honored by the gods.

Then Marduk, trying to find something to do with the body of Tiamat, used it to make the heavens and a source for the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Some other things, according to this myth, that Marduk did were: Create Esharra, create the zodiac, found the babylonian calendar, have Nanna determine weeks and months, and Shamash watch over the day and be judge. Then he made life on earth flourish, and with Aruru and Ea made mankind to appease the rebelling Igigi.

Then he was praised by his fifty names, which concludes the story of the Enuma Elish.

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


i'm not exactly sold though that the bible is 100% fact...you have opinions i have opinions as do many other people the bible has never been proven..you could prolly pull somethin up that says otherwise..i could pull somethin up that says otherwise to what you say..

either way its a book on faith..could you find things in it that could be proven..sure are there things in there that you could use to show the relation between one thing or another sure...but there are other religious texts you can do that with to!

i think the bible much like anything else has actual truth in it but as far as being all true i think that is a stretch..again I THINK that is a stretch mostly its to bring humanity together but all its done is separate us..thats why all the threads on here that should be here to educate people turn into big arguments and drama that are not needed!

Amon Amarth is a good band to!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by metalholic

 

Actually it was Namma, Enki's mother who created man, but Enki gave her the idea.

And after Enki, the fashioner of designs by himself, had pondered the matter, he said to his mother Namma: "My mother, the creature you planned will really come into existence. Impose on him the work of carrying baskets. You should knead clay from the top of the abzu; the birth-goddesses (?) will nip off the clay and you shall bring the form into existence. Let Ninmah act as your assistant; and let Ninimma, Šu-zi-ana, Ninmada, Ninbarag, Ninmug, …… and Ninguna stand by as you give birth. My mother, after you have decreed his fate, let Ninmah impose on him the work of carrying baskets."
5 lines fragmentary …… she placed it on grass and purified the birth.

After that Enki and Ninmah got into a drunken argument during the celebration of Namma's creation and got into a little bar bet.

Enki and Ninmah drank beer, their hearts became elated, and then Ninmaḫ said to Enki: "Man's body can be either good or bad and whether I make a fate good or bad depends on my will."

After six tries by Ninmah, Enki gave it a shot. It didn't turn out so well.

In return (?), this was Umul: its head was afflicted, its place of …… was afflicted, its eyes were afflicted, its neck was afflicted. It could hardly breathe, its ribs were shaky, its lungs were afflicted, its heart was afflicted, its bowels were afflicted. With its hand and its lolling head it could not not put bread into its mouth; its spine and head were dislocated. The weak hips and the shaky feet could not carry (?) it on the field -- Enki fashioned it in this way.

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...

Im sorry but babylonian mythology is very wrong.

Its just another attempted excuse to cover up the Jewish story of christianity.

Just as one of abrahams brothers stole the idea of the pre bible (Torah) and being influenced by satan, Create Islam, Which is what the opposite of christianity!!! Wake up man it teaches to kill christian and innocent people.

Thats all because of the fall the earth became under Satan's(reptilegod) dominion and therefore Sumerians got so far into deception they started to form thier all Powerful tower of Babel, Which was to symbolize there is no god and that they can reach unto the heavens because of One language One people order Served by Nimrod Who was actually the first ever mason and was Half Demons Half man/Nephlilim is the correct term. But God" destroyed this tower in rage and Split the tongues of every man, Therefore was have differant races and languages today, There is only one God, And he is love and joy, He created all things for him in glory and beauty.

And disclosure here, Aliens do exist, (Nephilims have been here since before Sumer or Egypt. They are the result of Fallen Angels Offspringing with Earth women to form Hybrid Races of Giants and or Demigod status;s Who were capable of superior Evil and witchcraft.

"In historical Babylonia the gods were in the form of man. Man was created in the image of God because the gods themselves were men. But the motion. All things that moved were possessed of life, and there was accordingly a 'life' or 'spirit' of the water as well as of man or beast. .... Sumerian theology, in fact, was still on the level of animism... Vestiges of the old animism can still be detected even in the later cult : by the side of the human gods an Assyrian prayer invokes the mountains, the rivers and the winds, and from tconception cannot be traced back further than the age when the Sumerians and Semites came into contact with one another. In pre-Semitic Sumer there are no anthropomorphic gods. We hear, instead, of the zi or 'spirit', a word properly signifying 'life' which manifested itself in the power of ime to time we come across a worship of deified towns. It was the town itself that was divine, not the deity to whom its chief temple was dedicated. So, again, the god or goddess continued to be symbolized by some sacred animal or object whose figure appears upon seals and boundary-stones..."
"With the advent of the Semite all is changed. The gods have become men and women with intensified powers and the gift of immortality, but in all other respects they live and act like the men and women of this nether world. ... The Semitic god of Babylon was 'lord of gods' and men, of heaven and earth; Assur of Assyria was 'king of the gods' and lord of 'the heavenly hosts'."
"It was natural that, corresponding with this lord of the heavenly hosts, there should be a lord of the hosts of earth, and that as the divine king was clothed in the attributes of man, the human king should take upon him the divine nature. Like the Pharaohs of Egypt or the emperors of Rome, the early kings of Semitic Babylonia were deified. And the deification took place during their life-time, in fact, so far as we can judge, upon their accession to the throne. In the eyes of their subjects they were incarnate deities, and in their inscriptions they give themselves the title of god."

Amon amarth are ok.



My all time favourite band are Nile


Seeing them this year \m/

If you into babylonian stuff Look up babylonian Death metal

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


actually to get back into what i was actually wanting to do is first off can you go through some of that crap i already posted..based on the bablonian sumerian mythology...and maybe find where it is in the bible because i think some of that stuff is..especially if you look at my last post where it starts out saying men where created in gods image because god infact was man...i think you could make links as you have on earlier pages

the whole thing here is...you got me interested in your interpretation of the bible..and some of it kinda makes sense...babalon was before christianity yet you say it was created to destroy what was not yet created...but i think christianity is based of many different religions

if you look in one of them posts it talks about a flood to destroy mankind...oh jus read through it you'll see!

Just so you know, Were very much in modern day times on Sumer.

And Dubai is the new Babel.

Look for higher tower. Stronger political parties enforcing secret ballards and societys.

Thank god i live in australia

I have read your crap you posted.

Which in fact i hope gets removed as mine did.

So take your proof is shove it up your ATS

you cannot try to change anyones mind by your little post about Babel.

Christianty has nothing to do with any other religion, And i know God made us in his image, But it dosent justify the fact Sumer mythology is superior.

Please explain to me the story of Nimrod..

Ill sit here and gladly!!! go through that.

But if your going to go on about How the sumerian Gods and Sub gods are in fact true beliefs in this world and that they are just right because they were before christianity.

The whole of mans story orginated in the Middle eastern province. Its not hard to see why Egypt, Sumer, Israel, ect tryed to enforce thier religious views.

But the truth is CHRISTianity. And thats all that matters in the coming tribulations

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speaking of which here you go!

reply to post by InnerstellarOne


i'm not arguing religion because i have none! all i was saying was you was arguing that the bible is all there is..my point was well what about the first peoples on this earth they were way before a man named jesus walked this earth

and there gods would be considered aliens...any alien visiting this earth without man...created man...man would view it as a god it created it! and it can travel into the heavens and beyond as far as they know...and when you got aliens claiming they are gods of all that man sees hey see that ocean that river i'm the god of it i created it! so man thinks that alien is a god of water...or w/e it was manipulative teaching that first man received that made them thing these aliens were gods!

couldnt you see modern man doing this same type of thing to a creature that we created from the ground if infact we did!

i do! i can see it...but still not saying its the 100% truth either!

Step back and take a deep breath.

As a human being alive on this planet, you can never make a blanket statement about anything being either true, false, real or imagined, and have that statement stamped with absolute authority that you are correct.

One must leave this existence to get definitive answers, only to find out that reality is indeed stranger than the best fiction.

So, while here, an open mind is best. Good for the soul.

Do any of you know any Boeing missile defense engineers? They know whole lot about UFO's. Hint Aliens do exists there aircraft are not controlled with there hands but telepathically using there mind. There also not friendly's like the media tells you. All visiting E.T. are Military from other planets or planet . Theirs F-22 Jet like fighter E.T. Craft controlled by a single pilot and Cruiser Craft used by Generals and other high ranking alien military.