An Interesting Conversation Between A Student And Teacher

reply to post by Skyfloating


Again, still waiting for your response. You claim there is no evidence for causation, and I provided said evidence.

reply to post by ignorant_ape


ok - replying to myself - whill the real " conversation " please stand up

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version # 03

i could go on - but it makes you wonder how many people have allegedly had this " conversation "

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
your example is neither a verifiable and repeatable situation (as science requires), nor is it a realistical experimental scenario.

Im waiting for evidence

I´ll repeat the idea:

I shoot an arrow at the apple on his head. The apple falls down and squashes the Bug.

What "caused" the death of the Bug? Was it the arrow? The apple? The gust of wind that put the Bug there? Was it his parents without which he wouldnt be there in the first place?

Was it the Big Bang that "caused" the Bug to die?

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You`d have to be mega-ultra-super-hyper-mind-boggingly dense not to understand what this anaology refers to.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Cute story.

Too bad the students arguments are FULL of flaws.

Main one being...

Of course they've never see the proffessors brain.

But I guaran "damn" tee you, if you split his skull open with an axe you'd see his brain.

So tell me, how can I see god just as simply?

Answer: You can't

Because he's does not exist.

More flaws are how many times the student "remains silent" in the first half of the conversation when he has NO good answer. So basically this conversation is saying Belief in God is JUST AS, IF NOT MORE flawed than the believe of Science and Evolution.

Also, what always fascinates me is...,out of the thousands of religions out there, I wonder what makes people choose the religion THEY believe in, here are my thoughts.

-Passed down from thier parents.
-The location they were born
-The time period they were born

So really many many,people never "choose" thier god. They are TOLD what thier god is when they are very young, and thats all they no, and more importantly FEAR. Because thier Loving God, is a Vengful God. Talk about contradictions.

I would think that a subject as important as religion, a smart person would shop around a bit more. Maybe read some other religions books/texts ect, before coming to probably the biggest decision in thier life. But no, hardly ANY do that. They just go along with the "stories" handed down from generation to genration to generation ect,ect,ect,ect. and over 2000+ years (in the case of Jesus ,these stories get a bit distorted.

It always comes down to that word Faith. and after all the horror I've seen, and been through, I'm fresh out.

As far as the argument going on above. God killed the ant. (if you believe in God. Because he supposedly created everything. Plus he is all knowing, so why would he create Human, KNOWING they were gonna sin? Don't give me the free will nonsense either. If God who created everything, and knows exactly everything you will do , every choice you will make in your lifetime..., you don't have free will. It is impossible now, and will Always be impossible for anyone to create anything and give it free will. This is a huge problem I have with The Loving, but hell bent on death and destruction God. It boggles my mind how anyone can believe this.

I guess you just gotta have "Faith" yes?

There's that F word again. This is how every conversation I've ecer had with a preist,Christian, Catholic ends. They say well son, you must have Faith. When you here that, you know they are fresh out of bull to sling, and that's basically thier "escape card".

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Nola213]

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
your example is neither a verifiable and repeatable situation (as science requires), nor is it a realistical experimental scenario.

Im waiting for evidence

I´ll repeat the idea:

I shoot an arrow at the apple on his head. The apple falls down and squashes the Bug.

What "caused" the death of the Bug? Was it the arrow? The apple? The gust of wind that put the Bug there? Was it his parents without which he wouldnt be there in the first place?

Was it the Big Bang that "caused" the Bug to die?

__________________________________

You`d have to be mega-ultra-super-hyper-mind-boggingly dense not to understand what this anaology refers to.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

I understand precisely what it refers to, and I appreciate the ad hominem (considering you were just denegrating my use of the same). However, my response to your question remains the same until you answer my question, which was posed first:

As I've also previously stated, the reason I'm not answering your question is because it is a loaded question. Regardless of how I answer, you've already prepared a "gotcha" retort geared toward "showing me" how I'm wrong. There is no right answer, as your example is neither a verifiable and repeatable situation (as science requires), nor is it a realistical experimental scenario.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
You claim there is no evidence for causation, and I provided said evidence.

This is false. I didnt say there is no Evidence for Causation. My analogy asks "What is the Cause?"

that whole conversation between the student and teacher felt scripted and badly so. granted the points made in the debate are very valid but i doubt the scenario played out exactly as transcribed if at all. Just an observation. Im not sure if it matter if the message is made up or actually occurred but i always like to know im reading factual data and not manipulated info to better appeal to my sensibilities.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


You should really watch the documentry EXPELLED

www.expelledthemovie.com...

Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

You should really watch the documentry EXPELLED

www.expelledthemovie.com...

and you should really watch the documentary "Expelled Exposed"

www.expelledexposed.com...

reply to post by skull_bones



hmmm.. I read it as the student using the same pathetic logic, in jest, to make the point.

reply to post by VneZonyDostupa


well.. they can cook all the books they want to hide what they need to keep their pristine reputation ..

but, we may never know the real truth.. unless they all go under a lie detector test..

will we..

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
he is also a moslem - why is he argueing a christian dogma ?

At the end of the Day Hindus, Muslims and Christians feel closer to each other than they do to Atheists.

It all comes down to the question "Do I come from the Heavens or do I come from Apes?"





[edit on 2-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa

 

You should really watch the documentry EXPELLED

www.expelledthemovie.com...

Try looking that documentary up on IMDB and looking through the Viewer Reviews. It's totally slated and is said to be completely biassed.

Think I'll give it a miss.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
he is also a moslem - why is he argueing a christian dogma ?

At the end of the Day Hindus, Muslims and Christians feel closer to each other than they do to Atheists.

It all comes down to the question "Do I come from the Heavens or do I come from Apes?"

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Skyfloating]

Also, Christianity is never mentioned. The questions are about "God". Allah is simply the Arabic word for god.

I doubt this conversation actually happened in the way some people are assuming - word for word account of when the "underdog" Student outsmarted and outwitted the "wise" Professor.

The whole story reminds me of Plato's depiction of Socrates' ideas through the use of dialogue between Socrates his students. While many believe that the conversations were fictional constructs by Plato to illustrate Socrates' ideas , the content discussed and questions raised made the authenticity of the actual conversations taking place seem completely irrelevant.

So to those who are suspicious of whether the conversation actually took place, don't fall into that trap - it is a non-issue. Look at the content and decide for yourselves if anything stands out for you. Are there any questions that come to mind when you read the responses of "The Professor" and "The Student"?

The way I see it, whether or not this conversation ever actually took place matters not since the argument is so completely flawed. We know damn well that you can cut a skull open and see and touch a brain. Either way it is really kind of stupid.

reply to post by Wertdagf
idiot you are nothing more then a troll! and not a very bright one at that.

when it comes down to it neither are correct , because words are the creation of man , and religion is also the creation of man , when there werent any human beings around there were no religions or science so to speak , no observations or experiments , nop words to describe our thoughts or feelings

so neither are correct

also there is no way a professor wouldnt know that the absence of light is darkness or that the absence of heat is cold !

thats just rediculous !

[edit on 2-2-2010 by sapien82]

There is such a thing as darkness. Unlike god I've been able to sense it my whole life.

Originally posted by The_Zomar
There is such a thing as darkness. Unlike god I've been able to sense it my whole life.

What is meant by "there is no Darkness" is that darkness is not a thing in and of itself but merely an absence of Light. This might sound like splitting hairs, but in spiritual thought its an important distinction.

To put it more simply: In your room there is a light-switch but no darkness switch.

Originally posted by Lillydale
We know damn well that you can cut a skull open and see and touch a brain. Either way it is really kind of stupid.

If you guys take everything literally you`re not going to understand Spirituality.

[edit on 2-2-2010 by Skyfloating]