911 Poll

No. No they did not. Not at all. Not even a little bit. No.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


About a day goes by to me first asking you who was fired, you never responded. So I responded for you, and I get a response back from you in 15 minutes. I know you are reading these posts.

So what I want to know is, are you still going to go around saying people were fired over Northwoods? Because you know that would be lying, right? Like when you can't tell me who exactly was fired, because no one actually was. Yeah, you see that's a contradiction right?

Just think, if you're allergic to admitting you're wrong on such a trivial point, why in the hell should anyone think you will EVER be fair when we are talking about something like the explosions on 9/11 and the fact that we STILL don't know what caused them? I think it's pretty clear that what you choose to believe is based simply on what you WANT to believe, which is whatever is easiest for ol' Swampy to digest. In either case, someone being fired or the cause of the explosions, trivial or significant, at the end of the day you must be forced to realize no facts support your opinions here.

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reply to post by bsbray11

About a day goes by to me first asking you who was fired, you never responded. So I responded for you, and I get a response back from you in 15 minutes. I know you are reading these posts

And this post is typical of why I normally ignore you.

So what I want to know is, are you still going to go around saying people were fired over Northwoods? Because you know that would be lying, right? Like when you can't tell me who exactly was fired, because no one actually was. Yeah, you see that's a contradiction right?

As I posted before, file your FOIA request for the members of the JCS planning staff that were transferred or strongly encouraged to retire as a result of Northwoods.

Lemon got relieved of duty and transferred to a lesser post far away from the Pentagon. Thats a polite way of saying, "you're fired" and was the best thing Kennedy could do, given the state of relations between him and the military at that point. Not that you will understand it.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

About a day goes by to me first asking you who was fired, you never responded. So I responded for you, and I get a response back from you in 15 minutes. I know you are reading these posts

And this post is typical of why I normally ignore you.

Because I'm trying to get a straight answer on a question that you've been avoiding? I don't understand why you avoided answering the question directly in the first place, when I asked, WHO was fired? You said nothing.

As I posted before, file your FOIA request for the members of the JCS planning staff that were transferred or strongly encouraged to retire as a result of Northwoods.

Ummm so are you not saying anyone was fired anymore? Are you going to KEEP saying people were fired in the future when no one actually was? That's what I'm wondering. Because that would be a violation of the board terms since we've already established that you KNOW no one was actually fired.

Lemon got relieved of duty and transferred to a lesser post far away from the Pentagon. Thats a polite way of saying, "you're fired" and was the best thing Kennedy could do, given the state of relations between him and the military at that point. Not that you will understand it.

I don't consider it a fault that I don't understand why everyone involved with Northwoods was not fired. There is nothing about concocting a totally bogus event to go to war that should be handled in a "polite" way by leaders. That should just send a message to YOU that this kind of stuff IS tolerated. Why would our leaders even 'politely' tolerate this kind of blatant abuse of our laws and the trust of the American people?

reply to post by bsbray11


And on just what grounds would you have kicked them out of the military? For planning an operation that was never carried out? That's not a crime, nor was it a violation of military regulations. So, since there wasn't a valid reason to charge them or kick them out...what does that leave for a punishment?


Transfers or encouraging them to retire.........

reply to post by impressme


You can add me to this list:

"No, they have not told all the truth."

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
And on just what grounds would you have kicked them out of the military? For planning an operation that was never carried out?

For planning an operation that would have definitely broken laws.

Sorry but does staging a completely fake military event to start a war on erroneous grounds sound like something that would be legal to you? Really?

You know with a good team of lawyers no defense on that case would succeed. This is very serious stuff. It's LYING in order to go to war because you KNOW the American people aren't going to want to and have no reason to!




Not to mention even if you had an argument here, it still wouldn't justify you for claiming anyone was fired when no one actually was. If a "truther" made such a claim you would be all over them, making an example of them. Come on, Swampy, snap out of it already.

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reply to post by bsbray11

You know with a good team of lawyers no defense on that case would succeed. This is very serious stuff. It's LYING in order to go to war because you KNOW the American people aren't going to want to and have no reason to!

It only becomes a crime when it is actually put into motion. Or do you think its okay to indiscriminately put people in jail, just because you think they might do something illegal?

My vote: Yes.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
It only becomes a crime when it is actually put into motion. Or do you think its okay to indiscriminately put people in jail, just because you think they might do something illegal?

That happens all the time. If the police find a guy loitering outside of a closed business with a crow bar and a diagram of the inside of the building, do you seriously think they would let him go? Hell no.

That they were planning to do something illegal is extremely obvious. They literally drew up the plans and tried to have it approved, and only THEN was it foiled because Kennedy was disgusted (then again Kennedy was also assassinated). OF COURSE you can suffer repercussions for planning something illegal! It is CONSPIRACY! You can be fired for that! I would like to see the contracts these guys sign to become members of the Joint Chiefs. I'm SURE there is a clause that states they can be fired without even requiring a reason. Every job I have ever held has had such a clause in the contract and we are talking about totally insignificant jobs compared to what these guys were employed to do, which was serious political business.

reply to post by bsbray11

I would like to see the contracts these guys sign to become members of the Joint Chiefs. I'm SURE there is a clause that states they can be fired without even requiring a reason. Every job I have ever held has had such a clause in the contract and we are talking about totally insignificant jobs compared to what these guys were employed to do, which was serious political business

CONTRACT?????? You think there is a contract that they sign? Thanks for that insight.....no further need to discuss this with you.

My Vote = Official Story is A Lie, so easy to see through certain lies and half-truths.

No, have not told us the truth.

Those that have made every attempt to withhold, conceal and distort the truth are the most likely perpetrators.

reply to post by impressme

I have not believed the government since the Kennedy Assassination.

The official story is a crock and they know it. If the Commissioners are/were sworn to uphold the laws, and therefore the Constitution, they have at best perjured themselves.
The entire Commission should be bought up on charges and as many charges as possible.
Obstruction of justice is certainly a crime and breaking an oath of office and/or position (Attorneys) would be a start for chargeable offenses and/or professional censures.
Getting any of this into court could prove difficult because now we enter into the realm of Congress who authorized the Commision's creation. Who has standing? Perhaps a solitary brave congressman would start this process?
Now the professional licensing is a wholly different matter. It would appear that any state licensing board could investigate professional malfeasances. This would number at least three that occurs to this layman's mind.
They failed to tell the truth or they performed withut due diligence. They misled their client or have failed to consider all the information presented. They have brought discredit to the organization of whom they are a member or representative.
I personally only know one attorney on a personal basis and he has been too busy to return calls.
There must be one who is willing to file a complaint out of good conscience.
So who knows how to proceed?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
CONTRACT?????? You think there is a contract that they sign? Thanks for that insight.....no further need to discuss this with you.

Come on. Anybody that joins the military has to sign a contract. I'm looking at the basic DoD contract right now and it specifically says you are legally liable to obey all laws and are even now subject to the military justice system. If you're telling me Kennedy had no room to fire these guys over a blatant plan for an illegal conspiracy then you're crazy. They were above all HIS advisers.

There was no need to "discuss" this with me as soon as you admitted no one was actually fired. That's all I was pointing out. The discussion was over then.

reply to post by largo

I agree one hundred percent; I wish I knew a law firm that would be brave enough to take on the 911 commission, however most law firms probably see it as committing “legal suicide.”

I have to remind myself these commissioners are millionaires and because, of the high stature they represent and rub elbows with the most powerful elite, they have become untouchable in the legal sense.

We now have a criminal cartel running America in my eyes, they sold out for corporate greed; we see where this great country is heading.
With enemies like these who needs terrorist.





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No, they lied, and orchestrated the events as well.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

Sir!Yes Sir!
Right away,Sir!
Love 'em wild geese chases.
If I could get ONE thing that was TRUE,I would not waste it on that.
I'd be looking at tower steel,looking for twinning,and finding it,more likely than not.Steel don't lie.

reply to post by bsbray11


No, you said the contract to become a member of the Joint Chiefs. There isnt one.

And it doesnt change the fact that planning a military operation isnt breaking the law. Nor does it change the fact that Kennedy could ill afford to demand resignations at the point in history. So he did the next best thing.



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