911 Poll

No

Of course not

Originally posted by impressme
Update from pg 16 to a new vote count.

No 340
Yes 17

I will continue on the count as more people vote yes or no.

Helly to the NO, yo?

When do governments and politicians ever tell the truth? (Although I did see some interesting comments made by Obama when he butted heads with the Republican Congresspersons earlier today- I was quite shocked to see such "straight talk" from one of the Remublicrats- still having trouble believing much of it actually, but time will tell I suppose).

Back to those numbers- 340/357 ~= 0.95238 ~= 95.24% NO
17/357 ~= 0.047619 ~= 4.76% YES

22 pages later, that is a fairly large sample size too (although I seem to remember a couple of those 17 claiming "bias" at this particular internet community).

I'm a little surprised to see that the pseudoskeptic OS "cheerleaders" haven't challenged the OP's count yet though- perhaps one of them should volunteer to do an independent audit of the poll numbers (as in something productive for a change).

I do have a sneaking suspicion that this thread might have been intended to solidly ID/"brand" the pseudoskeptics with an "OS" letter though (it has worked brilliantly if so BTW, and some homage due to N. Hawthorne).

S&F OP.

[edit on 30-1-2010 by rhunter]

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I do find it interested, that most of the “serious 911 OS believers or debunkers” have not bothered to come in here to vote, one has to wonder why.

No they Lie, Lied and will continue to lie until we come together and dosomehting about it. IMO ban burish has a lot of good points on regarding stargates, project looking glass, and sadam having the power to change the worlds future with that technology

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No, they have not told the truth.

Originally posted by impressme
This is a poll to see how many people on ATS believe that the Government has not told the Truth about the OS of 911.

Hi impressme.

Right after 911 happened I would have chosen; yes, they have told the truth.

A few years later until today I choose; No, they have not told the truth.

But here is my dilemma; I always thought they did it [inside job] for the oil over there and to obtain at the mean time power and control around that area and during the years earn a lot of profit.

Now I think there was another obscure reason behind it all.

Regarding searching for the truth.

Here is what sleeper [Lou Baldin] says about truth, and you know what, I think he is telling the truth.

The truth would bring all that we value in our lives to an abrupt end. So why do we pretend to want to know the truth?

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[edit on 30/1/10 by spacevisitor]

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The truth would bring all that we value in our lives to an abrupt end. So why do we pretend to want to know the truth?

I believe he is right. Sometimes I wish I didn’t know everything that I know, it can be very depressing sometimes. When I sit back and look at the over all picture to what I know concerning 911 it is pretty darn scary.

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by rhunter

 

I do find it interesting, that most of the “serious 911 OS believers or debunkers” have not bothered to come in here to vote, one has to wonder why.

Everyone (especially newer members) should remember that even though ATS' professional debunkers generate 95% of the rah-rah pro-OS posts in the 9/11 Forum, these few individuals represent only 5% of the ATS members (340 to 17) who actually believe in the official fairy tale.

In other words, just a few debunkers who post 24/7 on the 9/11 Forum make it seem as though there's lots of support for the ridiculous and impossible official story when there's clearly NOT. Hell, they won't even show their faces on this thread, which shows you how legitimate they are.

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[edit on 1/30/2010 by semperfortis]

How many ways are there to say no? Of course, the official story is not true. So many lies its hard for me to understand people who defend it. If you followed the lies from the beginning you will see how the story has changed.

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No!! They have not told the Truth!!
Hence "Truthers"!!....makes logical sense to call Questioners of the OT "Truthers"!
my 2pence worth!
ZZ

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by rhunter

 

I do find it interested, that most of the “serious 911 OS believers or debunkers” have not bothered to come in here to vote, one has to wonder why.

Because, the point of this poll is pointless maybe? Or maybe its just not that simple of a question?

But since you asked....

Do I believe that Osama and his boys were responsible for the events of that day? Yes.

Do I believe that there were any members of the United States Government criminally involved in the events of that morning? No.

Do I believe that that US Government has not told the whole story of that day? Yes.

Do I believe that the US Government is withholding information because that will show a criminal act was committed by a member of said government? No.












Do I believe that certain members of ATS will use my "yes" answer above to try and bolster their case? Of course....thats what they do.

[edit on 30-1-2010 by Swampfox46_1999]

NO!! 9/11 was inside job!! Government and Media are fill of LIES!!

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

Because, the point of this poll is pointless maybe? Or maybe its just not that simple of a question?

Just out of curiousity, would it still be pointless if OS'ers had 95% of the vote?

Do I believe that that US Government has not told the whole story of that day? Yes.

This is really the only important thing IMO. I know you don't believe any of the conspiracy theories, but we can at least agree that we haven't been told the whole story. This is the common ground that we need to find with everyone and move forward with. We haven't been told the whole story and want to know what it is, whatever it is.

Considering the numerous polls saying that 3/4 or more of the population believe the government had a hand in 9/11, I did expect this poll to be even more lobsided, but maybe not this much. I thought there were a lot more OS'ers on these forums. Regardless, we all need to find a common ground because the "truth movement" is growing and isn't going anywhere.

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In my considered opinion, and that is based on plenty of research, I say the official story is hogwash. Inside job all the way. May me one or two kernels of truth in the OS, but not many.

reply to post by Kratos1220

Just out of curiousity, would it still be pointless if OS'ers had 95% of the vote?

Yes.

Considering the numerous polls saying that 3/4 or more of the population believe the government had a hand in 9/11, I did expect this poll to be even more lobsided, but maybe not this much.

If you put faith in polls.....for the most part I do not. If you phrase the questions right, you could get 80% of people to agree Jack the Ripper had the right idea.

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To the question has the Government told the truth regarding the official story. Even though I think in the case of all things 9/11 this is a extremely broad question, you can still mark me down for NO. Not at this time.

Swampy-Given your answer below could we put you down for a "maybe"?

It would be a historic day on ATS were you to make this concession! If, in your opinion, they lied a little bit isn't it quite possible they lied allot more?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by rhunter

 

I do find it interested, that most of the “serious 911 OS believers or debunkers” have not bothered to come in here to vote, one has to wonder why.

Because, the point of this poll is pointless maybe? Or maybe its just not that simple of a question?

But since you asked....

Do I believe that Osama and his boys were responsible for the events of that day? Yes.

Do I believe that there were any members of the United States Government criminally involved in the events of that morning? No.

Do I believe that that US Government has not told the whole story of that day? Yes.

Do I believe that the US Government is withholding information because that will show a criminal act was committed by a member of said government? No.

Do I believe that certain members of ATS will use my "yes" answer above to try and bolster their case? Of course....thats what they do.

[edit on 30-1-2010 by Swampfox46_1999]

Hey look, Swampy finally showed his face to defend the other 17 OS believers!

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Do I believe that Osama and his boys were responsible for the events of that day? Yes.

Swampy does, but the FBI doesn't!

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Do I believe that there were any members of the United States Government criminally involved in the events of that morning? No.

Oh no, the honest and upstanding "weapons of mass destruction" neocons would never think of lying or using false flag terrorist attacks to start wars, would they? Just like Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods, right Swamp?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Do I believe that that US Government has not told the whole story of that day? Yes.

Ya think? Gee Mr. Swampy, why haven't they told the whole truth? What's to hide?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Do I believe that certain members of ATS will use my "yes" answer above to try and bolster their case? Of course....thats what they do.

Poor baby -- since you spend your life on the 9/11 Forum trying to convince unsophisticated people of the laughable OS, now everyone knows how irrelevant you truly are!



[edit on 1/30/2010 by GoldenFleece]

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It would be a historic day on ATS were you to make this concession! If, in your opinion, they lied a little bit isn't it quite possible they lied allot more?

Well since its not the first time I have said something like that on ATS, I do not see how restating it again today would be "historic". Do I think they lied "a lot more"? No.

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Hey look, Swampy finally showed his face to defend the other 17 OS believers!

I dont have to defend anyone. I wonder what the moderators would think of you calling me out though.

Swampy does, but the FBI doesn't!

Back to the muckracker report? I wonder why you keep flogging that one......especially since the FBI has absolutely no doubt that Osama is responsible.

Its funny, I read the article you post, and Rex Tomb of the FBI is listed as the source of the information used in the article. Here is what Mr. Tomb had to say about the issue.

"There's no mystery here," said FBI spokesman Rex Tomb. "They could add 9/11 on there, but they have not because they don't need to at this point. . . . There is a logic to it."

www.washingtonpost.com...

Now, I could list the various other FBI sources that state Osama is responsible, but that would just bring on the "Ole" act from you.

Oh no, the honest "weapons of mass destruction" neocons would never think of lying to start wars! Just like Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods, right Swampy?

The paranoia that seems to surround you is staggering. The WMD issue is best left to another board, but rest assured you dont have all the facts about that either. Operation Northwoods...such a great plan it got people fired and was never used.

Ya think? Gee Mr. Swampy, why haven't they told the whole truth? What''s to hide?

I've already addressed that on numerous threads on ATS.