911 Poll

They are bunch of bad acters..

NO.
they never did.

LIES
UND STILL LIE

reply to post by bsbray11


You dont have to be a lawyer to understand the law or history.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
You dont have to be a lawyer to understand the law

Absolutely. And you are still not a lawyer, and still have no idea what you are talking about when you say Northwoods did not break any laws. Again, it was lying to an entire nation to go to war on false pretenses. Maybe your moral compass is a little out of whack but I promise you planning to sink a ship of foreign citizens alone is against US laws, and is a conspiracy, especially when we are not at war with that country. The military is not exempt from following laws. They're just really damned good at getting their heads off the chopping block because they have so many big corporations and politicians by the balls.

reply to post by bsbray11


When did they put the plan into effect? And what part of the US Code would be violated if they did put the plan into effect? Until you have the correct answers to those questions you might as well quit while you are behind. Just because YOU think its illegal, doesnt make it so.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
When did they put the plan into effect?

You don't have to carry it out to be charged with conspiracy. This is the whole philosophy behind the FBI setting people up with various charges and then busting them before they actually do it. Simply planning to commit a conspiracy is illegal and a conspiracy itself.

And what part of the US Code would be violated if they did put the plan into effect?

Circumventing Congress to start a war might be a good start, but I'm no lawyer (remember, neither are you ).

Guess what, Swamp? Kennedy's own legal counsel completely agrees with me, and he is a lawyer.

Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, presented the Operation Northwoods plan to Kennedy early in 1962, but the president rejected it that March because he wanted no overt U.S. military action against Cuba. Lemnitzer then sought unsuccessfully to destroy all evidence of the plan, according to Bamford.

Lemnitzer and those who served with him in 1962 as chiefs of the nation's military branches are dead. But two former top Kennedy administration officials said yesterday that they were unaware of Operation Northwoods and questioned whether such a plan was ever drafted.

"I've never heard of Operation Northwoods. Never heard of it and don't believe it," said Theodore Sorenson, Kennedy's White House special counsel. "Obviously, it would be totally illegal as well as totally unwise."

Robert S. McNamara, Kennedy's defense secretary, said: "I never heard of it. I can't believe the chiefs were talking about or engaged in what I would call CIA-type operations."

www.david-sadler.org...

Theodore Chaikin "Ted" Sorensen (born May 8, 1928) is of counsel (retired Senior Partner) at the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP and writer, best known as President John F. Kennedy’s special counsel and adviser, legendary speechwriter, and alter ego. President Kennedy once called him his “intellectual blood bank.”

en.wikipedia.org...


Not only does this lawyer, and Kennedy's adviser, say it would be illegal, he says it would OBVIOUSLY be illegal. Which is what I am saying, and I still can't comprehend how you can possibly think such a plan, going to war over false pretenses, would NOT be illegal!!

Just because YOU think its illegal, doesnt make it so.

And just because you DON'T think it was illegal, doesn't make it so. And Kennedy's own legal counsel agrees with me. He's a lawyer. You're not. Btw I notice you backed down from the fact that anyone who joins the military in the first place has to sign a contract (what are you, a dirty recruiter?) so these guys would have contractual legal obligations as military officials to uphold the law, and therefore also COULD have been relieved and court martialed over conspiring an "obviously" (lawyer's word) illegal plan.

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reply to post by bsbray11

And Kennedy's own legal counsel agrees with me. He's a lawyer. You're not. Btw I notice you backed down from the fact that anyone who joins the military in the first place has to sign a contract (what are you, a dirty recruiter?) so these guys would have contractual legal obligations as military officials to uphold the law, and therefore also COULD have been relieved and court martialed over conspiring an "obviously" (lawyer's word) illegal plan.

You are genetically wired to misrepresent the facts arent you?

The lawyer didnt know about Northwoods until over 30 years after the fact, and you blindly accept his legal opinion without knowing if the man had access to all the documents...or if he relied on what he was told by someone with an ax to grind.

And onto the enlistment contracts, I havent backed down on anything. You said that in order to become one of the Joint Chiefs, you had to sign a contract, which is rubbish. There is no special contract for becoming one of the Joint Chiefs.

Again....misrepresenting the facts....

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

You are genetically wired to misrepresent the facts arent you?

Pot calling kettle.

reply to post by impressme


Paging Dr. Pavlov.......


I do not routinely misquote people.

Absolutely not, they have not told the truth...about any of it.

Based on what I have seen so far to this point.
No, they have not told the truth.

They most definitely have not told the truth. In fact they have tried to keep much of the truth hidden. Nano-thermite, the smoking gun!

Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

 

You are genetically wired to misrepresent the facts arent you?

Pot calling kettle.

Nah, more like pot calling a bar of soap black.


All I posted was that this lawyer agreed with me that giving false pretense for war is "obviously" illegal, which is demonstrable by the very quote I posted, taken from a book. And that makes me "genetically wired to misrepresent the facts"??

I don't even have to dignify that with a response. Swamp speaks for himself on that one.

And onto the enlistment contracts, I havent backed down on anything. You said that in order to become one of the Joint Chiefs, you had to sign a contract

To join the military you have to sign a contract. It requires you to follow the law. I just posted Kennedy's own legal counsel saying such a plan would "OBVIOUSLY" be illegal. Wow, Holy JESUS I am misrepresenting the fact of this man's relevant, professional accusation!



Hey Swamp, why don't you print these posts off and show them to your AF buddies too? I'm sure they would 100% agree that this lawyer's professional opinion that Northwoods was a blatantly illegal plan is PROOF that I am "genetically wired to misrepresent the facts" and that you have obviously been correct this whole time that Northwoods was perfectly legal. Maybe you guys can get together and try to go ahead with the plan yourselves since it seems so right to you. What have you got to lose? It's a perfectly legal plan, right?

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Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I do not routinely misquote people.

Wait -- so now I've misquoted the guy who says Northwoods would have been obviously illegal?

You're saying I misquoted him now?

reply to post by impressme

911 was more than just an inside job.

The inside government had ZERO control over it.

Who really pulls the strings, anyone?

I know, I know! The Illuminati?! The Bilderbergs! The Jews? Ooh, ooh: the Trilateral Commission! Oh wait, the Skull and Bones! No, the Freemasons! The Knights Templar? The Priory of Sion! Is it the Rosicrucians? Communists! Could it be the UN? Ahh, Bohemian Grove! The Paul McCartney doppelganger? OMG which could it be?!!

Theory-crafting conspiracies is fun. Kind of like playing Six Degree of Kevin Bacon but with not only actors in movies, but people in organizations; money in economies; states in conflicts; bases in locations; projects in various times under those organizations, using money in those economies, with the oversight of various states as a result of conflicts, all located in different bases...and every possible relationship therein.

And just like the Kevin Bacon game, pretty much any organization can be linked to any event or whatever with enough time and creativity. But when you start thinking it's real...well, that's like thinking all those actors really were in the same movie. You took a fun exercise/way to pass the time and just went ahead and went #ing nuts. And then made this website, I guess.

No!

These guy's are hidding something and the truth will come out eventually, of that i have no doubt.

reply to post by IceHappy

Far too many loopholes in the OS. I am called a birther and a truther but actually I am an American who proudly served our country in the Viet Nam era with two honourable discharges and a medal with a V device. 6 years I served and I feel that I and every other American, even if they did nothing else but pay taxes deserve a better story and explaination than what has been presented.

Your post certainly moved me, and I agree with you, the government has explained very little to the American people and the evidences they have shown us could have been manufactured anywhere.

The sciences that NIST gave to the American people to support the OS does not stand up to real sciences.

The 911-commission report was already proven a lie before some of the 911 commissioners admitted they had lied in their report. These commissioners have admitted, the story they told us was not the story the Whit House and the Pentagon told them.

None of the aircraft crash debris were tagged or identified or serial numbers collected to see if they belong to said airplanes, we got absolutely nothing.

Yet we are to believe the FBI was able to crawl under millions of tones of the WTC dust and steel and walk inside of two vaporized airliners with their super, duper DNA machine, sifting though a million of tones of ash and dust, and supposently located all of the hijackers DNA.
Hijackers that were using stolen identities, to whom was the FBI matching their DNA to?

These are just a few of the thousands of questions that this government will not answer to.
My opinion on all this is, we let the criminals investigated themselves, and they did exactly what criminal do, they covered up their whole crime. One only needs to read how the White House and the Pentagon stonewalled the 911 commissioners inquires on everything. Not only were they hiding something terrible, they open the door to conspiracies theories by not cooperating with the 911 commissionaires.

I believe we need a new investigation into 911 because we never had an investigation yet.
We cannot let the government have any part of this investigation, because they cannot be trusted to do it, as they have already demonstrated it.

We The People need to be able to vote in a panel of experts in their field of expertise and sciences to do this investigation into the 911 events. These experts will have to be allowed “subpoena power” in all areas of congress and the Pentagons and access to seal records to uncover the truth.

My feeling is, if the United States continues to ignore the new scientific findings that have been discovered recently especially concerning the WTC, and we do absolutely nothing, then (We The People) in this country are going to continue to see dark times and it is going to get worst. The reason I say this is because two reasons, that we all know that is true.

1. Once a criminal gets away with a crime and rewards themselves, they will do it again.
2. The laws of the Universes’ of Universal energies of good and evil are terrible off balance. The actions of 911 are of the purist evil a very negative energy that has no way of repairing it’s self. If a new investigation into 911 is allowed and we can get to the bottom of who was really behind it all, and who all helped in the cover-up of the evil actions of people in power and hold these people accountable. Then this great country and the American people can start healing, and positive energies can flow through this great country and a lesson would be learned that (We The People) will not let a corrupt power to do as it please, to the American people without paying the dire consequences.

I could even start to swallow OS, then, how could you account for our country treatment the 911 First Responders? Obama just refused 11 Billon Dollar Help for them!

I agree and most Americans will agree with you on this, why don’t the greedy bailed out banks donate some of their billions in bonuses to help these sick people. It is disgusting to see congress just shut the door on these sick people and pretend they don’t exist.

I was an OS believer until I did my research, the truth is very “painful and shocking,” and I still have problems dealing with it.
I have learned, things are not what they appear to be, we do live in a world of illusions, and lies.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
I do not routinely misquote people.

Wait -- so now I've misquoted the guy who says Northwoods would have been obviously illegal?

You're saying I misquoted him now?

Can you point to the bit where they were going to kill US citizens?

Because that's what you said was illegal.

Let's see.They perp a false flag op.Causes a war where none existed,nor other reason for that military exercise.Say no formal declaration of war by Congress,like The Big Suck we're in now.US servicemen die.For a non war,military operation.Those deaths are directly caused by the false flag.Any questions?