Aliens make Crop Circles, Best Evidence Ever - Cosmic Wakening

Originally posted by itsblownbackbaby
any professionals want to add to this thread, or are we just going to give our subjective views and argue with each other, like most other ATS posts nowadays? I could give a damn if you think they are man-made or alien, I want proof, I want facts, I want people to start engaging in intelligent conversation.

There are no facts besides what we have so far. And the very fact that there is such active discussion proves in itself that science cannot put this to rest. Ergo, the mystery of modern day crop circles.

As some have said above, yes, it's easy to duplicate these beautiful and very precise mathematical formations. It's possible, in fact, to reproduce some of these with a child toy. But not on the magnitude that we've seen in the last twenty years.

So please, for all those that have the physical proof that these circles are wo/man made, show me a video of one the spectacular ones, like the Jelly Fish or the Dragon Fly being made and then awed about the next day. Show me a video of one these complex ones being made in the few hours of darkness that they've been created.

If it's a commercial hoax then surely someone would have figured it out by now. Unless everyone was in on it. Everyone, that is except for the consumer.

And I'm fully aware that no one can produce an indisputable video of the crop formations being made by extraterrestrials or balls of light. Hence the mystery. And hence the reason for subject views.

Sometimes the subjective views are the only things we have left to talk about. The evidence doesn't show any more one way or another. This is how mysteries are solved.










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Originally posted by galactricks
There is no doubt in my mind there exists crop circles made by man, simply with some string and some flat pieces of wood, a great amount of time, and some delicate concentration (in pitch darkness?!). However, the ones that are claimed to be made by man, please convince us how they were able to leave remaining traces of radiation and unexplainable genetic alterations to the crops? There are also intricate patterns within the crop circles that cannot be replicated by basic tools. How can those be achieved in minutes time even with a large number of participants and virtually leave no footmarks in and out of the field?

Yea, it's hard to believe that they don't leave any garbage at all.

It's so not like people.


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Butterfly Crop Circle.

7th of August 2009, The Netherlands.

Facts and Details.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/11e83d6abc86.jpg[/atsimg]

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I'm a Dutchman and I have visited the Butterfly CC
and researched the cover-story
as it was launched in august/september 2009.

I have posted some relevant facts and observations (88 posts)
at a dedicated Butterfly CC thread here on ATS during
the summer as the story was unfolding.

If you follow the link below (and read my posts)
you can learn some interesting facts/details:

Da Vinci Crop circle ( the netherlands):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

(A thread originally started by Observer1
on the 7th of August, he did post a link earlier)

Regarding "xldsign" claiming to be
the creators of the Butterfly CC:

- Four and a half months have past,
No facts/details exist regarding their claim.

- Their website contains only one single photograph
of the Butterfly, a date and a claim it was made
by a group of 60 people.

- No video, no facts/details.

((( nothing )))

- The video that exists on youtube
regarding the 'making of' was never posted
nor promoted at the xldsign website.

That particular video doesn't show or prove anything.

- The additional launched cover-story has never been
posted/published at the xldsign website?

That's it, that's all.

A claim without facts, is NOT a claim.

Simple.

www.xld-sign.com...

- Allegedly the giant Butterfly CC was made in a single night
in only 6 hours.

- The alleged 'facts' of the cover-story
kept changing during the days and weeks following
the appearance of the Butterfly and in the end
were retracted for most part.

- The land-owner has never stated to be involved.

- Xldsign is not an actual company,
they only exist on-line, not on-paper.

- Remco Delfgaauw, the xldsign 'boss',
has recently announced he has resigned from
being a 'cropcircle artist'.

- The cover-story has only been promoted/published by
external sites, some local newspapers,
Crop Circle Connector and other so-called CC-authorities?

Bottom-line:

- The xldsign/cover-story has turned out
to be entirely unsubstantiated.

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Here is one observation I've posted
on the 23 of August:

link to entire post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Sol12

Delfgaauw and his companions are business men.

They are NOT artists.

They are NOT environmental activists.

Let's say, from a business point of view and regarding PR,
this 'project' can be considered a dramatic failure.

Who is going to invest time and money
in a mega 'project' like this?

No cause, no publicity, no revenue?

They could have established their name nation-wide,
even around the world?

The DaVinci/butterfly was harvested 17th of August 2009.

Why did they let the opportunity pass by?

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Below are two Butterfly videos I've made.

The first video has annotations
and provides a brief summary of what has been
discussed at the mentioned Butterfly thread.

Butterfly Crop Circle: Facts and Details
(The Netherlands August 7th 2009).




The video below has music, images and aerial footage.

* Secrets & Mysteries of Planetary Dreamers *




media.abovetopsecret.com...

Crop Circles: Secrets & Mysteries of Planetary Dreamers.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply to post by Eurisko2012


Thank you very much...fascinating!

Anyone ever stop and think that maybe the world government is doing it with satellite space lazers to fool everyone?

reply to post by itsblownbackbaby


I think most of us debating this issue already assume that our fellow members are already somewhat educated on the phenomena, and have already formed an opinion on the subject in one way or another.

If you need facts, proof, evidence...well, I can provide you with TONS of what I consider to be just that. However, others may disagree and form different conclusions from the very same information.

The best I can do is recommend some material which you can watch on your own time, to help you form your own decisions about.

Some great documentaries on the subject include:

"Crop Circles: Cross Over From Another Dimension" This documentary is nearly 3 hours long and JAM PACKED with GREAT information on the subject. Buy the movie or obtain in however you choose, but this would be a great place to start.

"Star Dreams" - Another very good documentary, but a little less scientific than the first...I recommend seeing this only after watching the other one first.

Originally posted by I am i
Anyone ever stop and think that maybe the world government is doing it with satellite space lazers to fool everyone?

No. That's not it.
The Grays are making the real crop circles that are huge and
beautiful.
However, i think U.S. and British intelligence are paying hoaxers
to go out and make some fake crop circles in order to muddy the
water.
Look over here! It's a crop circle and it's fake! This guy over here
admitted to making it!
Well, if that one is fake then therefore all the rest must ALSO be fake.
It's actually pretty clever.

Originally posted by sam_inc
, im not saying men cant make crops im saying they cant make crops in a few mintues.

humans are incapable of making satellite technology that could perform grass-bending through electro-magnetic modulations in the microwave spectrum?

humans are incapable of that?

oh i didn't know that.

it MUST be non-humans that built them then.

could be any intelligent species that built technology to do them that fast.
th masonic fraternity focuses deeply on the compass and the square, measuring and defining everything in their environment, through science, being able to manifest anything one desires to.

sacred geometry...

why would you remove masonic scientists from the table of potential culprits?

because you want desperately to believe that the layman's knee-jerk conclusion to WHO made them is true?

we can't say either way definitively...you may be right...
.... but to jump to your conclusion remits deductive reasoning to a limited measure.

my bet is on masons.

but maybe they mad ehtem using tools that were reverse-engineered FROM technology that as traded to them from arrangements with other intelligences.... just like cellphones and television circuitry may be based on.

it's all speculative based on minute evidence.. yet it still is evidence.
nothing's concrete.. you jsut have to feel just in your convictions when you make a conclusion about this sort of thing.

i would be embarrassed at myself for gullibly thinking that dudes with planks made all of them... just following the flock like a sheep accepting that official explanation just to fit in and not 'look strange' by actually using reason....would be retarded.


think what you will OP.
i don't see you putting everything into consideration when coming to your conclusion though.

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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by I am i
Anyone ever stop and think that maybe the world government is doing it with satellite space lazers to fool everyone?

No. That's not it.
The Grays are making the real crop circles that are huge and
beautiful.
However, i think U.S. and British intelligence are paying hoaxers
to go out and make some fake crop circles in order to muddy the
water.
Look over here! It's a crop circle and it's fake! This guy over here
admitted to making it!
Well, if that one is fake then therefore all the rest must ALSO be fake.

It's actually pretty clever.

If you think that The Greys are making all the crop circles, you have fallen victim to their deception. The Greys are not an ethical group. They are devoid of emotion, and they are a dark faction. The majority of them are clones. They are very deceptive.

You might think they are making them because of the crop circle of the grey holding a message encoded in binary. It says to "beware of the bearers of false gifts and broken promises," and that they "oppose deception." They are the very bearers of false gifts and broken promises! Don't be misled.

reply to post by hermantinkly

Don't be afraid of the Grays.
They have helped us more than you know.
That crash in New Mexico in July 1947 had incredible ripple
effects on our economy.
It took us over 40 years but we finally figured it all out.
I would love to work for Majestic 12 right now.
They have the best technology on Earth and in the Milky Way Galaxy.
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It's not just the Grays.
Advanced alien civilizations have reached the planet Earth in numbers
and diversity.
I think it would be exciting to travel to the Grays home planet.
I could do it real quick in a cigar shaped beamship.
- Fold Space -

Sometimes I think we should spend less time wondering who did the crop circles than we should trying to figure out what the messages mean.

For instance, most of them are either fractals or representation of sacred geometry. Save for a lot of the ones from last summer, which I found completely different from most (dragonfly, jellyfish, etc.).

There's one thread with a video in which a gentleman said he realized the "answer" to most of the CC's were so simple and staring us in the face, at least, it was once he figured them out.

The ones he is speaking of are examples of how to "square the circle" which isn't supposed to be an easy task if using a protractor and paper, let alone "rope and board" in a field at night.

Others are hyperdimensional formations which, along the lines of sacred geometry, are supposed to fill in the missing peices when trying to come up with a unified theory of everything (Look at Nassim Haramein's work).

As I said, regardless of who is doing it, the CC's represent ages old knowledge that, yes, even the ancients knew of. Maybe the formations were simpler in the beginning because the message started from scratch, then got more and more complicated as time went on.

I believe we are being given the answers to the many questions we always ask as to what is the true nature of our reality.

Once again, as I said in an earlier post (first page), the reason for this type of communication is because it is the purest way the message can be conveyed to us without the meaning being tainted.

It's as if the communicators are of a "Service to others" mind.

There's a huge difference between someone telling you "here's the secret to the universe and here's how you should apply it" and simply "explaining" it in terms that are UNIVERSAL and PURE (mathematics).

Hi! I've been reading along and thought of a few things.
Anyone who had the technology to show up here would likely be able to learn our languages from television waves escaping Earth. The ETs probably could tap into the satelites and download the internet, which means they can read classified materials as well as watch netflix, read wac pedia, and look up any and everything we have in the internet. We don't have control over our skies, and no one is getting caught making the circles in a part of the world where it is dark for barely six hours at night in the summertime. The controversy regarding people's opinions probably indicates a complex answer to events, and most people are out of their
comfort zones in entertaining these new possibilities. The unknown brings fear and anxiety with each new possability. Fear is a primordial instinct that is devised to keep us alive. Trust must be earned, not freely given.
At least they are micorwaving the crops and not us.

reply to post by I am i


Anything's possible I suppose...However, I'm inclined to believe that probably isn't the case, judging by the complex designs, sacred geometry, patterns, and mathematics being used. Unless they are employing a team of the worlds most intelligent people solely for this big hoax.

I suppose you could also apply this answer to anyone questioning whether or not people could actually be manually creating them. Well yes, maybe if it were a team of 100 geo-physicists, architects, and engineers prancing around fields in the dark of night, with some extremely advanced measuring equipment. Something tells me that may be a little unlikely though :-)

lets discuss the video in question and not random crop circles shall we. According to the video the crop circles were made in a very short time im guessing less than half an hour. Which is consistent with other reports i have read where some eye witnesses have reported strange spheres of light or plasma and then minutes later there are crop circles.

Also lets not forget the physical evidence of bent and not broken stalks irradiated soil and EM radiation. If all these are man made then there are alot of people wasting alot of time just to make people think that aliens or whatever are making these things. AND if thats the case you need to ask yourself why??


OBVIOUSLY there not doing it for fame because nobody is coming forward claiming they did it. SO no glory no money. So you telling me there are teams of people out there doing this just for the sake of it and irradiating and genetically manipulating wheat and infusing the site with EM radiation (how that is possible is another matter). there doing all this as a joke????


yeah ok Now who is being naive.

seriously it doesnt make sense that people would invest so much time and effort and not even take credit for it. Either the government is paying people to do this or its not being done by humans.

either answer is scary...

Aliens can travel light years through space to get here so they decide the best way to talk with us is to BEND SOME GRASS! YE RIGHT!!.
So if NASA finds a planet out there which they suspect has intelligent life would they attach a FLYMO to the craft to talk to the aliens when it got there

Originally posted by hermantinkly
If you think that The Greys are making all the crop circles, you have fallen victim to their deception. The Greys are not an ethical group. They are devoid of emotion, and they are a dark faction.

Grays devoid of emotion? They are known as the supreme jokers of the galaxy, whenever word spreads that a gray is going to do standup comedy the venue is always jammed. As to them being a dark faction, you must have them confused with another group. Why do you think they are called the greys? because they are in the middle, between black and white!

The majority of them are clones.

That is a rumour they spread themselves, they really breed like rabbits, but prefer to tell people that they are cloned.

They are very deceptive.

It says to "beware of the bearers of false gifts and broken promises,"

That was a mistranslation, it really reads "beware of the bearers of falsies, they will be promiscous"

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Aliens can travel light years through space to get here so they decide the best way to talk with us is to BEND SOME GRASS! YE RIGHT!!.

How do you know how far the aliens are traveling and how do you know that they are alien. the alien theory is just one of many. and to be honest i myself dont subscribe to that theory, i think something far more mysterious is going on. Who ever or whatever is doing it is being cryptic on purpose. realistically speaking even if 99% of crop circles are man made hoaxes and only 1% are not man made the magnitude of that implication is just as significant as if 99% were unexplained and only 1% were hoaxed. thats what most of you dont seem to be able to comprehend.

Originally posted by game over man

That is interesting.


How about this.....The electromagnetic presence, radiation, and/or accelerated growth of the crops, or anything else...

Can humans duplicate that?

No, humans have not tried to duplicate the psuedo science that makes the claims you refer too.
Only BLT research makes those claims. Levengood(the actual scientist that makes these claims) actually believe the circles are created by Plasma Vortices. Now, count the hundreds and hundreds of circles over the past 2 decades. Is there one piece of evidence to show a plasma vortex?
Lightning is a kind of plasma vortex, so you would think we would have heaps of evidence considering the huge amount of circle watchers and "researchers they are supposed to be.

Forget about completing one over night, suppose the "authentic" ones are man made too, how could humans leave behind evidence of electromagnetic presence, radiation, and/or accelerated growth of the crops, or anything else...

They don't leave that behind, people claim these things are there, in fact it is only one group, with a track record of poor research and misrepresentation of data. They only published 3 papers.
None of the tests are done in standard double blinds. Assumptions are made about things like Node sizes and such so as to make the "node phenomena claim". The list is long, the error are many. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good story/business.

How could humans do that? Forget about the time and witness factor. What tools/equipment would be necessary for such an elaborate hoax?

The tools required are "research teams" that provide fraudulent work and then post it all over the internet so people like you, who take it at face value rather than actually look at the "studies", who does the "studies", and how they are connected to the crop circle industry and groups, believe it is fact and then spew it out in forums like it is gospel.
Those are the tools needed.
Tools like you, so to speak.

By far the most compelling bit of evidence surrounding crop circles is the bending of the nodes. A fact that all non believes always convieniently over look and untill we examine how this is possible. We will never get close to an explanaition.

Yes humans can do this regardless of time, size and complexity. All this can be comfortably explained away making certain sceptics feel nice and safe in there bubbles of denial. So forget all this and i ask here and now.

How is it humanly possible to bend the nodes on crops, within any time period and with any technology that we currently posses?

Answer that one sceptics and i will have to concede defeat on this subject.

Originally posted by CosmicWakening
Brilliant video showing crop circle evidince from all over the world

there has been a crop circle that has been made this year that measures 1738 x 1476 feet, this is HUGE you have to see the picture in the video to understand how big the actual thing is, it has to be next to impossible for man to create some of the crop circles out there

enjoy the video

www.youtube.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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It's NOT impossible for man to create a crop circle after all they did one for a weetabix advert several years ago here in the UK. However, the devils in the detail. Something does not make sense:

* bent but NOT broken crop, possible for man but quite difficult to achieve consistently.
* The kale (weed growing in the tractor tracts) is unaffected meaning boards cannot have been used.
* Nobody has ever posted an intent to make a circle (including the pattern) but not the location. By not indicating the location this leaves the hoaxes free to make the circle anywhere they choose and thus do so without being seen. The pre-posting of the pattern guarantees identification of a man made circle. Remember : IF (NB IF) circles are not man made then any idiot can claim afterwards to have made it !!!!!!!!!
* Time: they appear overnight and that weetabix advert took several days and it was not particularily intricate.
* Location : e.g. The spectacular one adjacent to stonehenge was done without anyone seeing it being made. Yet the circle was YARDS away from a busy main road?
* Media : crops are not the only medium, they have appeared in forests (tree circles) and snow (although that it is an easy one to fake in which case we refer back to location)

Now all of the above issues are not impossible to surmount by man but collectively when not addressed it makes for a great deal of suspicion.

Why would aliens do it? Well why not? Why would man hit a golf ball on the moon! Maybe they are as mischievious as us and like to leave a "Malcolm was here" notice.

I'm open (60-alien 40-hoax). The hoaxees have the means to prove intricate patterns are man made and they can still remain anonymous - but they haven't. It does seem an awkward method of intergalactic messaging - why not land on the whitehouse lawn whilst there are TV cameras there?