Chavez brings the house down in Copenhagen

Chavez brings the house down in Copenhagen

macedoniaonline.eu

When he said the process in Copenhagen was “not democratic, it is not inclusive, but isn’t that the reality of our world, the world is really an imperial dictatorship…down with imperial dictatorships” he got a rousing round of applause. And by rousing we mean Obama like applause during his campaigning... When Chavez said there was a “silent and terrible ghost in the room” and that ghost was called capitalism, the applause was deafening.

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I completely agree with Chavez, I wonder if Mr. Obama was there. What do you think he would have done? My guess is walk out of the room or look down at his papers as everyone in the room around hime cheered and applauded. Well atleast he wouldn't have been alone Mr Brown, Mr. Harper, and Mr. Netanyahu also would have been angry and would never applaud to this.

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Every time I hear Chavez speaking, It always makes so much sense.

He is definitely going for it. Good article.

Originally posted by beebs
Every time I hear Chavez speaking, It always makes so much sense.

He is definitely going for it. Good article.

I know sometimes Chavez seems a little looney but overall he is well meaning and I am glad someone has the guts to stand up to America's imperialism and point the finger right at us.

Ignorant bastards.

I find it appalling how Capitalism and become synonymous with Corporatism.

Corporatism= What you get when the government is largely influenced by the corporate world.

Capitalism= An economic theory which relies on free markets.

PLEASE! Demonize corporatism all you can but leave my poor capitalism alone.

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But then he wound up to his grand conclusion – 20 minutes after his 5 minute speaking time was supposed to have ended and after quoting everyone from Karl Marx to Jesus Christ - “our revolution seeks to help all people…socialism, the other ghost that is probably wandering around this room, that’s the way to save the planet, capitalism is the road to hell....let’s fight against capitalism and make it obey us.”

The anti-capitalist theme was picked up on by Mr Mugabe, Zimbabwe’s veteran President, who is the target of Western sanctions over alleged human rights abuses.

Man can this guy fling the BULL or what. Meanwhile he takes over privately owned companies and watches the stock market closely to see where the price of oil is headed.

reply to post by Misoir


I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

I noticed how Obama and his Republican minions have decided to nationalize banks... that would be communism. So where is the capitalism?

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[edit on 18-12-2009 by truthquest]

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Misoir

 

I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

I noticed how Obama and his Republican minions have decided to nationalize banks... that would be communism. So where is the capitalism?

I support capitalism, but I support Chavez only because what he speaks is the only way to tear down corporatism. I know that it makes no sense but the more people attack capitalism(corporatism) from either communists, centrists, socialists, or libertarians it will eventually help us to establish real capitalism. It's like using your enemies to get rid of your greatest enemy.

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Misoir

 

I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

I noticed how Obama and his Republican minions have decided to nationalize banks... that would be communism. So where is the capitalism?

I notice only Americans are allowed to take a pop at the president. Americans really cant see why the world has this attitude towards them.

Are you telling me America is now a commnuist country, or even socialist? i'm sure if you take trip to the Mall at this time of year you will see capitalism is alive and well in the USA

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"I know sometimes Chavez seems a little looney but overall he is well meaning and I am glad someone has the guts to stand up to America's imperialism and point the finger right at us. "

Agreed.

(You could have easily replaced the word Chavez with Dragonsmusic in that sentence; and the word "us" to "them")

However he is a politician; let us not forget that.
And while he rails against a free market he is being paid by men who make their money in a free market.

Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Misoir

 

I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

I noticed how Obama and his Republican minions have decided to nationalize banks... that would be communism. So where is the capitalism?

I support capitalism, but I support Chavez only because what he speaks is the only way to tear down corporatism. I know that it makes no sense but the more people attack capitalism(corporatism) from either communists, centrists, socialists, or libertarians it will eventually help us to establish real capitalism. It's like using your enemies to get rid of your greatest enemy.

Well I sort of see your point but it would be nice the phrase "capitalism" only applied to private (non-governmetn) ownership of companies like it is supposed to. I'd much rather correct people when they claim the USA has been capitalist. I believe the USA was capitalist at some point but it clearly switched to fascist/corporatism.

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by Misoir

 

"I know sometimes Chavez seems a little looney but overall he is well meaning and I am glad someone has the guts to stand up to America's imperialism and point the finger right at us. "

Agreed.

(You could have easily replaced the word Chavez with Dragonsmusic in that sentence; and the word "us" to "them")

However he is a politician; let us not forget that.
And while he rails against a free market he is being paid by men who make their money in a free market.

Like I wrote in an earlier post on this thread I do not agree economically with Chavez but people like him are the only way to tear down the system so we have a chance to bring it back up the right way. It's like using your enemies to get rid of your greatest enemy.

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Misoir

 

I don't know where Chavez has seen any capitalism. I have not seen much of it anywhere in the world. I see people agreeing with Chavez. Okay, point out the capitalism then.

Well the Russians love Chavez's form of capitalism something to the tune of 6.2+ Billion and counting in recent arms sales.

Venezuela Defence And Security Report 2010 - New Report Published

In 2009 Venezuela was officially in recession. Its valuable oil exports are on a downward trend and the constraints on production capacity are of concern.

Despite this, its military spending on arms imports is increasing. South America is in the process of armed forces modernisation and upgrades, but recent Venezuelan purchases, most notably Russian Sukhoi fighter jets, are sophisticated systems that go beyond building for defence against external threats and could further enhance a regional arms race that is already under way. This trend is likely to intensify due to ‘copycat' weapons buying, which has been triggered by recent increased military spending in some countries and reactions of their neighbours.

Chavez: Venezuela acquires thousands of missiles

CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chavez said Monday that Venezuela has received thousands of Russian-made missiles and rocket launchers as part of his government's military preparations for a possible armed conflict with neighboring Colombia.

"They are preparing a war against us," Chavez said during a televised address, repeating a charge he has been making for months. "Preparing is one of the best ways to neutralize it."

Both Colombia and Washington deny having any plans to attack Venezuela, but Chavez argues they are plotting together a military offensive against Venezuela. Chavez says his government is acquiring more weapons as a precaution

Chavez arming Venezuela

In September it was widely reported that Russia has opened a $2.2 billion line of credit for Venezuela to purchase more weapons.

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Venezuela's ongoing arms acquisitions--coupled with weapons purchases among other South American nations--have raised concerns over an arms race in the region.

Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by dragonsmusic
reply to post by Misoir

 

"I know sometimes Chavez seems a little looney but overall he is well meaning and I am glad someone has the guts to stand up to America's imperialism and point the finger right at us. "

Agreed.

(You could have easily replaced the word Chavez with Dragonsmusic in that sentence; and the word "us" to "them")

However he is a politician; let us not forget that.
And while he rails against a free market he is being paid by men who make their money in a free market.

Like I wrote in an earlier post on this thread I do not agree economically with Chavez but people like him are the only way to tear down the system so we have a chance to bring it back up the right way. It's like using your enemies to get rid of your greatest enemy.

I see what you are saying
That makes sense.

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However , in using him there is something of a pyrrhic victory.
He will destroy free market avenues whenever he has a chance; which will have devastating ramifications.
Like the above poster said about the difference between Corporatism and Capitalism.

reply to post by Misoir


Well, that made it clear.
Copenhagen = AntiCapitalism Rally


Old Hugo doesn't like Obama anymore.
He called Obamas speech a "joke".

reply to post by SuperSecretSquirrel


And this is why the brown societies of the world never achieve anything. They are constantly ignorant and misinformed. Chavez is a moron. Capitalism when instituted by a honest and just government and nation is the best form of economics on Earth. Like you said the free market capitalism that we once knew has been gone for a very long time.

Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
Ignorant bastards.

I find it appalling how Capitalism and become synonymous with Corporatism.

Corporatism= What you get when the government is largely influenced by the corporate world.

Capitalism= An economic theory which relies on free markets.

PLEASE! Demonize corporatism all you can but leave my poor capitalism alone.

Maybe you need to dig deeper a bit! Ultra-Capitalism=Corporate Monopolies. You might ask why is that? Well unfettered capitalism means anything and everything goes and laws are almost meaningless, especially anti-trust laws.

No one has an issue with mild and/or moderate capitalism, but when corporations become to TOO BIG TO FAIL(sound familiar with bailouts?) then obviously the government(which few people know is itself a private corporation) becomes weak, corrupt and practically ineffective in legislation.

I think Mr. Chavez should be listened to ... it's not like Venezuela has any oil.

Wait ...

reply to post by EarthCitizen07



You're ABSOLUTELY wrong and completely misguided. You have state corporatism BECAUSE of government interference in the free market. There will ALWAYS be laws guiding the free market and there very well should be. But the amount of government intervention and control has been hampering the US economy and our capitalistic legacy for the past 100 years. Nobody is talking about anarchy here. For capitalism to function properly there has to be an honest, just, and moral government behind it and the capitalists themselves have be possess those same qualities.

The private sector is just as corrupt as the public sector i..e. WallStreet is just as corrupt as Government nowadays. That's the problem!