The Frightening Rise Of Christian Persecution

I know my writing sentence structure is not brilliant at times and needs redrafting a lot as the race against time and the passion overrides my literature skills. I miss out letters and even words sometimes, so I hope people can bear with it.

I think Christmas is a good reminder a family reminder of being together and sharing and just being happy, the world is sad enough as it is, it helps heal the soul a bit and is a positive message.

Why should we be ashamed or against it?
I am sure others celebrate saints, Chinese New Year’s or Ramadan, but at least we have fun and a culture too, without it we are all lost, together as a nation we can all feel a little happy and sprinkle some star dust of positive energies.

To deny the origins of the Christmas is a shame to the human heart and condition, it is after all what created the message behind it. Even if Jesus was born in September who cares by now? What are we going to do rewrite Christmas day, think of it then as a delayed celebration if that is the case?

In Jewish custom the Baby is alive at conception, so if you minus September by 9 months it is January or December and the 25th is nearly the end of the month so it may be right either way.

The message is to be happy, it is a gift from God to mankind, it is a time of family and hardship when the season is dark and cold and people go without food and warmth, it is about looking after each other, I am sure throughout history it has helped many people to think about caring for family and community.

To say you hate it or prefer it was done away with is something bordering narcissism, this is why I say let these other countries hate us for it or be jealous and question it, or let them learn from it so it can make a positive difference and maybe influence them for a brighter future.


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reply to post by Alxandro

The "persecution" is mainly due to guilt. The haters know they cannot and will not live by the Golden Rule.
They can't understand the concept so instead they bash Christianity with their unadulterated hate.

I am not understanding your logic?

Are you saying that non-Christians do not understand the Golden Rule?

Practically every religion follow the Golden Rule.

And surprise! surprise! Even atheists follow the Golden Rule!

How would you feel if someone forces their religion on you? For sure you'd be "hater".

reply to post by ladyinwaiting

People who continually refer to the "Crusades" might as well be talking about the dinosaurs. It's ancient history. They bring up these atrocities because it is all they have, other than some isolated incidents of killers who called themselves Christians. In view of this truth, Christians are in excellent shape.

No, it's not ancient history. It still happen everyday. Christianity might be in excellent shape in most parts of the world, but that's because it is more controlled today. If it was allowed free reign, we'd be back to the Dark Age.

Remember, history has a tendency to repeat itself.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

I'm seeing quite a few of these christian persecution threads. If you;re not ready for persecution I would suggest you have chosen the wrong religion.

LOL. Then you are saying that Tibetan Buddhism is the right religion as well?

reply to post by moocowman

Well I got news for you my friend, it was the jesusyahweh god that started off the gay hating thing.

Actually he didn't.

It was Christians who invented the idea that their god hated the gays or homosexuality.

The most important part of the Bible is banning GAYS is it not?

No I did not think so either; it is just an issue like abortion is an issue it is not something to divide the nation and faith by.

The Old Testament speaks harshly, but it was speaking to itself not you as an individual, remember we are speaking of real ancient times here ancient enough for the Romans to call it ancient. The rules for homosexuality in the Old Testament was for the Holy Places and Priests with their own laws because they were in holies of holies, meaning contact with God, they had to remain pure because to even handle let’s say the Ark of the Covenant it would kill you and your tribe and it would cause plagues, the Philistines stole it and they were cursed, they tried to turn it into something else and make a false religion out of it and then they gave it back. All these Old Testament instructions were the priority of the Priests and the Israelites, now that new covenants were being made even after let alone with Christ we can behave like those Priests we are now free from a lot of Jewish traditions and customs.

If people like to behave like the Israelites today than they are hypocrites, too much water has passed by, the gentiles are free with Christ, maybe there are some New Testament verses which are in dispute but maybe people should read the verses a bit more carefully, including myself.

Just correcting and expanding this section from above.

Originally posted by The time lord

All these Old Testament instructions were the priority of the Priests and the Israelites, now that new covenants were being made even after let alone with Christ we can behave like those Priests we are now free from a lot of Jewish traditions and customs.

All these Old Testament instructions were the priority of the Priests and to the Israelites, even in the Old Testaments new covenants were being made even after it let alone the message fulfillment of Christ, we don't have behave like those Priests as we are now free from a lot of Jewish traditions and customs which the New Testament speaks of a lot.

No one today who is not a priest behaves like one, so why try and say you have to follow certain rules when they are for people in specialist areas?
This is where people don't understand or can be bothered to read it through to the next book or verses.

If the Pope got married for example I am sure he would be breaking the rules but these are his rules not the nations.

Countries that treat Christians as second class or people who are Christians are in danger of it.

1.North Korea :: severe persecution
2.Saudi Arabia :: oppression
3.Iran :: oppression
4.Somalia :: oppression
5.Maldives :: oppression
6.Yemen :: oppression
7.Bhutan :: oppression
8.Vietnam :: oppression
9.Laos :: severe limitations
10.Afghanistan :: severe limitations
11.Uzbekistan :: severe limitations
12.China :: severe limitations
13.Eritrea :: severe limitations
14.Turkmenistan :: severe limitations
15.Comoros :: severe limitations
16.Chechnya :: severe limitations
17.Pakistan :: severe limitations
18.Egypt :: severe limitations
19.Myanmar (Burma) :: severe limitations
20.Sudan (North) :: severe limitations
21.Iraq :: severe limitations
22.Azerbaijan :: severe limitations
23.Brunei :: severe limitations
24.Cuba :: severe limitations

A lot of it come down to social stigma and if you are an infidel or from another faith, dress the wrong way then you are put in prison or even killed, even if you are killed or attacked the authorities do not see it as bad, but they can imprison you for reading the Bible. It might not sound bad but for some it is life or death sentence because their faith is different.

But you know when they have no where else to go and come to places like America or Europe are we going to greet them?

This is why we have seperate countries, after many centuries of battles and war with our differences the world has been split into probably 3 main divisions, one is Christianity/Democracy, then Communism and then Islamic based faith laws. The world decided it was best to have their own system of order and power and the best solution was to live apart. But there is still this pressure where maybe the free world is trying to impose certain freedoms when it is none of our business to do so. But there are thoughs stuck in their world who are free thinking people who are stuck in the totalitarian systems of no free will who are being killed for it. In order to keep the free thinkers out they will persecute them, just because their religion is more liberal minded, where as the more.

What is going on now is that people of other non free thinking faiths and systems want our freedoms and Christian heritage rights taken away, they will even bring Christianity to court as soon as they arrive and have babies in your country, the athiest minded do not mind that but eventually they will be fighting each other with white nationalists against extremists, where as the system before not only would have prevented that if the politicians stopped being politically correct but it would have shown that they have a sense of authority over their country. I guess if the secret societies lose their Satanic anti Christian spiritual powers they will no doubt join forces with the next best thing that is also anti-christian in nature - speaking from a spiritual point of view here.

2009 and 2010 is no different and the world wide persection of Christians continue, the next worry is that it is comming to a place near you, in small progressive steps.
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Messed up, couldn't fix, lol
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Originally posted by dragonsmusic

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by dragonsmusic

 

BULL!!! GWB is about as christian as satan is, which is probably who gave him the order.. A TRUE christian would shed his/her own blood before spilling anyone elses.. WE are here to love and NOT judge, to forgive and not hate.. And those slandering G-d, using His Name to justify war, in fact to justify anything, are going to pay!!!

Why is he not a christian?
what is that based on ?
His handshakes and skull and bones stuff?
(dear god I never thought I would almost be like quasi-defending jr.:lol

but what makes jr a satan worshipper? seriously that's crazy.

I also believe he is not a christian, see the following:

Jim Boutwell, Sheriff of Williamson County, Texas

On June 30th of 1998, Henry Lee Lucas, arguably the most prolific and certainly one of the most sadistic serial killers in the annals of crime was scheduled for execution by the state of Texas. Given the advocacy of the death penalty by Governor George W. Bush, things clearly weren’t looking good for Henry at that time.

Bush had not granted clemency to any condemned man in his tenure as governor. In fact, no governor of any state in the entire history of the country has carried out more judicial executions than has Governor George. At last count, the state of Texas had dispatched 130 inmates on Bush’s watch.

So Texas was definitely not the place to be for a man in Henry’s position. And considering the nature of Henry’s crimes, it seemed a certainty that nothing would stand in the way of Henry’s scheduled execution. There weren’t likely to be any high-profile supporters, a la Karla Faye Tucker (though even personal appeals to Bush from the likes of Pat Robertson failed to dissuade the governor from proceeding on schedule with Miss Tucker’s execution). Not likely because Henry’s crimes were of a particularly brutal nature, involving rape, torture, mutilation, dismemberment, necrophilia, cannibalism, and pedophilia, with the number of victims running as high as 300-600 by some accounts – including Henry’s own, at times – though this figure is likely inflated.

By all accounts though, Lucas, frequently working with partner Ottis Toole – a self described arsonist and cannibal – savagely murdered literally scores of victims of all ages, races, and genders. All indications were then that this was pretty much of a no-brainer for America’s premier hanging governor. But then a most remarkable thing happened. On June 18, just twelve days before Henry’s scheduled demise, Governor Bush asked the State Board of Pardons and Paroles, whose members are appointed by Bush himself, to review Henry’s case. Strangely enough, eight days later the Board uncharacteristically recommended that Henry’s execution not take place.

Not only did Bush grant the commutation, he *actively* intervened with the Texas Board of Pardon and Appeals to ensure they supported his decision by a vote of 17 to 1.

Who was the recipient of this remarkable act of clemency from America’s staunchest death-penalty governor? The depraved serial killer Henry Lee Lucas.

Lucas ended up dying in prison of natural causes. His partner in crime, Ottis Toole, was spared the death penalty in the state of Florida and he died in prison from cirrhosis of the liver.

The above from The Strange Compassion of George W. Bush By foundingfather1776

Henry Lee Lucas, and Ottis Toole, both members of satanic cult, both mass murders.

Henry Lee Lucas,killed and tortured many people to death, admitted satanic cult member, on death row in Texas, only person whose DEATH sentence ever commuted to life in prison, by then Governor George W. Bush, even though he let over 150 others die. Some of those others had serious doubts about their guilt.

Ottis Toole, Lucas' partner, killed and tortured many people to death. Admitted satanic cult member, on death row in Florida, only person whose DEATH sentence ever commuted to life in prison by then Governor Jeb Bush, even though he let others die, who also had serious doubts about their guilt.

Birds of a feather, flock together?

God Bless

sezsue

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reply to post by The time lord


why have a religion at all? all it does is take away time you could be thinking about a world cure for a disease or doing something else like inventing something why not be free of all the b/s and live your life the way you want without having some book claiming that something you have never seen says do this or do that and if god is real and hes so great 1/3rd of the angel populace and satan wouldnt have rebelled against him or her or it! most christians have a one way track about the way they think so in the end there opinions are a waste of time especially on this site!

your bible is the biggest real conspiracy on here! not all these alien invasions! because the bible is real and it has caused damage!

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Frightening rise in the persecution of Christians? Christians, have been persecuted since the religion's inception, 2000 years ago. Sometimes in mass and other times in spurts. However, persecution goes along with the territory if one professes Christianity. Christ and all his Apostles were all tortured and executed for their beliefs. The views where radical in the early days of Christianity as they are today. Just the simple premise of loving your enemy, and rather than seek retribution for an infraction, which to all seems natural and justified; is discouraged and frowned upon. Here is a good clip from a movie that was controversial when it was released, but sums up Christianity and how it is viewed by the world.



Christians aren't the only ones being persecuted, because other religions are facing persecution in one way or another, as well. Some examples that may be considered persecution, would be the treatment of Muslims in the US following 9-11 or Israel, then Muslims on the island of Mindanao in the Philippines by the Catholic majority, or the Muslim minority in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in China. Those are just some examples of Muslims facing persecution.

Now, we don't need to go into much detail about the Jews, because it is a given, for most of their history they have faced persecution. Some modern examples would be in the Greater Middle East outside of Israel where Jews were practically thrown out of every country, where at one time there were bustling communities and active participants in the overall development of their host country, either through commerce, the arts, or government service. Then antisemitism is alive and well in most corners of the world, and one doesn't have to look very hard to see it either.

Persecution is not only violent, but can be economic, social, and psychological. So, many of the Abrahamic religions are facing persecution, as is Christianity. All for different reasons, but persecution non-the-less. So, persecution goes with the territory when you believe in something others disagree with, and none of the major religions are exempt of that treatment.

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reply to post by The time lord


WAAAA!!!

I have an idea. How about if you xians treat everyone else with the same RESPECT you seem to think you are worthy of, hmmm???

S&F simply because it's about time Christians are persecuted for a change.

They have always been on the offensive historically, even to this day.

The backlash you are seeing is simply that: non-Christians are TIRED of the evangelizing and aggressive movements by fundamentalists to turn the US into a theocracy, as they think this is the "right" thing to do simply because they believe they are a chosen people.

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by Alxandro

 

The "persecution" is mainly due to guilt. The haters know they cannot and will not live by the Golden Rule.
They can't understand the concept so instead they bash Christianity with their unadulterated hate.

I am not understanding your logic?

Are you saying that non-Christians do not understand the Golden Rule?

Practically every religion follow the Golden Rule.

And surprise! surprise! Even atheists follow the Golden Rule!

How would you feel if someone forces their religion on you? For sure you'd be "hater".

How in the world did you get "someone forces their religion on you" from what this poster said? You have completely twisted the content of what this poster said to further your own agenda re: forced religion. It's a bit much, don't you think?

reply to post by Deaf Alien


Indeed, it is ancient history, whether you like it or whether you don't.

People like you find the constant referrals to it somehow pleasing, because it's really all you have. Anybody can see right through you, your arguments are as transparent as can be. You are here to be insulting and rude, period.

Oh, and just so you'll know.....Christians DO have free reign, just like everybody else. No dark ages yet. Yep. FREE REIGN. We have it.

Love the drama, don't you? At least try to keep ONE foot in reality, please.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
How in the world did you get "someone forces their religion on you" from what this poster said? You have completely twisted the content of what this poster said to further your own agenda re: forced religion. It's a bit much, don't you think?

No, because people actually approach us in real life representing your religion (whether you like it or not) and they push this crap on us when we don't want to hear it.

It doesn't matter what a poster says, there are millions of you and when we talk about Christians we are talking about your whole lot, not just an internet poster here or there. Maybe that is why you are confused regarding why so many of us are so intolerant of your religion. We live with it. We've had it up to here with it.

reply to post by bsbray11


The only thing I'm confused about is why you continue to subject yourself to it all by reading this thread?

I've never known a Christian to push anything on anybody. It's always "I'd like to talk to you about sometime, call me". Kinda of thing. Not to say that has never happened, in some place far away, that I have no knowledge about.

You folks are getting way, way out in left field here with your hatred, and most of it is simply imagined. It has been explained on this very thread countless times, yet here you are, still being offensive.

Not all Christians are Fundamentalists. I personally am not, and tend to think they are a little "out there". They have covered up the television on Sundays, and I can't even bear to watch their antics at times.

As far as "it's about time Christians were persecuted", what do you think you are doing now? Do you really want to be that guy? (shivers).

Jesus Christ was tortured to death in the most cruel and barbaric of fashions. I take it you don't consider that to be religious persecution?

As an added note: I am personally so indignant about this conversation at this point I am going to bolt on it. To continue to defend my belief to people whose minds are as closed as yours is simply a waste of my time and dignity. Closed minded, hateful, judgmental people are not my idea of an interesting conversation. There is nothing anyone can say to you, or your buddies. Go wallow in it, be the narrow minded, intolerant person, with only vile remarks to make about something others hold dear.

If you worshiped a reindeer, I would not be on here offending you, or trying to make you angry. It's not sport to me. I would find a way to respect your beliefs, at least in conversation.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Not all Christians are Fundamentalists. I personally am not, and tend to think they are a little "out there".

In my opinion this is just a variation of the tired old evasive rationalization of "...they aren't true christians" but to put it in biblical jargon you all name the name of christ. Atheists, believers in other religions etc. wouldn't have to bash christians if their own so-called brothers and sisters spared not the rod when they see each other being vermin. Are you or are you not your brother's keeper?