The Frightening Rise Of Christian Persecution

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by watcher73

 

Yep! There were many men who went by that name....

Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Gamaliel, Jesus ben Sirach, (author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha) Jesus ben Pandira, Jesus ben Ananias, Jesus ben Saphat, Jesus ben Gamala, Jesus ben Thebuth. OK, you mean the crucified Jesus, right?
Jesus ben Stada was crucified by the Romans.
(source: Josephus: The Complete Works by Josephus and William Whiston and other sources)

The original Mary was not a virgin, and Magdalene was not a prostitute. Believe it or not, in a bold departure from logical thinking, the prime source of "proof" for the existence of their Godman is the storybook itself. The Bible is given the special privilege of confirming its own truth. In the language of religious deceit, the Bible is held to be "unique" and "historically reliable". It's true because it says it's true. What? (Mohammad used the same bent logic in the Koran).

If Christians would only research their own book, there would not be so many arguments about this. Basically all religions are based on Sun worship, and there have been many saviours that were supposed to come back and save their followers, so far, none has done so. The Greys are said to have a holographic film of Jesus on the cross, they claim he was their creation. Also, it is pretty ignorant to believe that an all powerful God inspired only one book, and one written of paper too, which can easily be changed to fit an agenda. and it has been changed too, if you don't believe that, get an old copy and compare it with a new one. It is a rare Christian, or preacher for that matter who has actually their precious book. I have caused more than a few minister to frantically leaf through the pages trying to prove me wrong. Even the Witnesses and Mormons no longer come around to try and convert me. Sad, I love to talk.

A good question that needs an equal reply for those who are swaying in their opinions and are not sure.


It's not just one book it is 66 books written throughout thousands of years made into one compilation telling a story of God's relationship with man till the end of time.
People have researched the Bible and done a lot of digging for evidence in Israel and the Middle East, the problem is that it is not inaccurate but still in discovery. As for evidence there are ancient texts cross referenced by Roman political leaders as such that hold the same writings, there are over 24,000 ancient New Testament manuscripts discovered so far let alone the dead sea scrolls.

The Bible speaks about these sun worshippers and moon worshipers of Baal and human sacrifices of the ancients as it tries to steer away from the counterfeits through history. If Devil knew about Christ he would do his best to find a way to save himself or find a way to destroy his word.

Ignore the Jehovah Witnesses why are they not Christ witnesses by name? Because they deny him and only the Jews are the true witnesses of Jehovah and anyone else that say they believe in another Jesus, even the Bible warns us from that.

Clement of Rome was martyred in 100 AD. In his writings, he quoted from Matthew, Mark, Luke, Acts, 1 Corinthians, 1 Peter, Hebrews, and Titus. Clement's quotes totally correspond with the Bible we read today. In fact, even if we lost all of the 5,300 early Greek manuscripts, all of the 10,000 Latin vulgates, and all of the 9,300 other ancient manuscripts, we would be able to reconstruct all but 11 verses of the New Testament
Text

Again with proof there are lots about how it has remained the same and behind the scenes there are mountains of books and museums of evidence that without the Bible would not be even opened if people did not do the research into its history, you have to ask then who are these people who want to hush it up and keep it quiet and distort the truth from it? If you equate the mind behind it all it all leads down the same satanic paths that plagued history and put Christ on the Cross, all those that pretend to believe in Jesus but used his name against his true followers all have a the same spirit behind it all.

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oldest texts on the planet so far completely decimate the idea that the son of god is a sun god.

enki (LORD EARTH) was a son of enlil (LORD SKY/WIND/BREATH)
enlil was the original god word. he was the son of anu (LORD HEAVEN)

enki was therefore, a son of god. note that his name does not mean sun. it means earth. so how is it that when the old texts say "son of god" we are suddenly suppose to believe that it means sun god? it doesn't mean sun god. not unless you can prove the earth is the sun.

enlil was therefore, a son of god. note that his name does not mean sun. it means sky/wind/breath of life. so how does this end up being sun god? it doesn't. the idea that these were sun gods, is totally made up.



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Originally posted by justamomma
As for Paul, I don't *think* Paul was not Jewish, but I *know* Paul was not Jewish. Why? Because I am a Jewess and KNOW our ways ... are you really so blind as to wonder WHY we rejected his gospel?? You might say it was because we are evil, but if you were in your right mind, you would know that it is because we don't recognize him as one of our own and rather he is of the Greek mentality.

What is the "Greek mentality"?
You say you "know our ways"? What are your ways?
You intuition aside, Paul was a Jew, a Pharisee, son of a Pharisee, born in Tarsus, and a Roman citizen. He was a student of the well-known Mosaic-Talmud scholar and rabbi Gamaliel. Ever heard of Gamaliel?

en.wikipedia.org...

etymology of the god word:

EN.LIL=
EN=LORD
LIL=SKY/WIND/AIR/BREATH
LIL=
IL / ILU =
EL =
AL

his name is the foundation for elohiym, et.al the spirits/gods. note, it isn't the sun god moving on the face of the waters, it's the spirit of god, who was sky/wind/air/breath/and more specifically, spirit.

how do some researchers get "sun" out of that?

or what about

EN.KI=
EN=LORD
KI=EARTH
his name ends up being reinterpreted as a variation of EN.LIL because he was one of the elohiym, spirit beings and in his case, a son of enlil.

michael heiser explains the elohiym "spirits" in this .pdf

www.thedivinecouncil.com...


these two are the foundation for all biblical literature, from what i can tell.

Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by autowrench

 

Oh please educate me and show me the error of my ways kind sir

Happy to. First of all, 'God' is not a Name, like 'Peter' or 'John', but a Title - although most believers seem to think that the Name of the Most High is "God". If it is not a name, then there can be no question of whether it is a 'holy' Name or not, in the same sense as the titles: Priest, Master, Judge, etc. do not necessarily refer to exclusively holy offices, but may even be used in idol worship or devil worship. The Bible itself refers to Satan as 'the god of this world . . .' (2 Cor. 4:4; 1 Jo. 5:1).

Many religious believers today, having discovered the True and original NAME of the Almighty, i.e. YHVH (and of the Hebrew Messiah YAHU'SHUAH), claim that He should not be referred to as "God", for "God" is an ancient NAME, they say, which was applied to a pagan deity of old.

We shall first consult a dictionary and then turn to the Bible for a definition of "God".

The Oxford Dictionary - God: "Superhuman being worshipped as having power over natural and human fortunes; image or animal worshipped as symbolising or embodying or possessing divine power; idol ... Supreme Being, Creator and Ruler of universe."

Young's Concordance www.dtl.org...
gives a proper and detailed account of the different original Hebrew words which refer to the Almighty and which our modern Bible translations render as 'God' or 'gods'.

1. "EL" - Mighty One - 225 times. e.g. Gen. 14:20, "Blessed be the Most High EL".
2. "YHVH" (His Personal Name) - 248 times. e.g. Is. 40:10, "The Lord YHVH will come with a strong hand."
3. "Tzur" - A Rock - once. e.g. lsa. 44:8, "Yes, there is no Tzur, I know not any.".
4. "Elah" - An object of Worship - 88 times. e.g. Ezra 5:11, "We are the servants of Elah of heaven".
5. "Elohim" - Object of Worship - 2222 times. (Note: Plural used in Hebrew to denote plenitude of might). e.g. "EL" - Mighty One - 225 times. e.g. Gen. 14:20, "Blessed be the Most High EL". Gen. 1:1, "In the beginning Elohim created."
6. "Eloah" - An object of Worship - 55 times. e.g. Deut. 32:17, "They sacrificed unto devils, not to Eloah".
7. "Theos" Greek - Object of Worship - 1 274 times. e.g. Matt. 1:23, "They will call Him (the Messiah) Emmanuel, a Name which means "Theos is with us."

It is interesting to note that of the 4163 times that 'God' is used in the Bible, 3639 times it refers to "an Object of Worship". Which other English word then shall we use for the Most High, to denote: "Object of Worship?" Titles like "Mighty One", does not necessarily refer to a Being Who is worthy of worship - Nimrod, ancient opposer of YHVH, proclaimed himself as "mighty one" also.

The Bible tells us in 1 Cor. 8:5.6, "For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth - as indeed there are many "gods" ... yet for us there is one God, the Father..." So, which is it?

Indeed, the Titles 'God' and 'Lord' were also given to Pagan Gods, and systematically, it became regarded as NAMES for the idols. Similarly. Christianity, lacking the knowledge about the Sacred Names, have been deluded into believing that the Almighty's Name is 'God' or 'Lord'. Not only were idols named or referred to by titles, but, it seems, also by many or most words referring to religious worship, like the words: holy, sacred, faith, hope, success, etc.

Even the word "Worship" means, "To work for." And yes, early man did WORK for the Gods! Christian prayers are most always ended with the word, 'Amen,' which gives tribute to the Egyptian God Amun-Re. Amun-Re was the Sun God. Are not all Christians most interested in the Son, or Sun? Sun worship goes way back in history.

"Yahweh appears to have been originally a sky god - a god of thunder and lightning. He was associated with mountains and was called by the enemies of Israel 'a god of the hills'. His manifestation was often as fire, as at Mount Sinai and in the burning bush." - Great Events of Bible Times

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family:
"Y" represented El the Father;
"H" was Asherah the Mother;
"W" corresponded to He the Son; and
"H" was the Daughter Anath.
And yet, Christians still believe the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all male. So how do three males know how to form such a beautiful creature as a woman? Goddess worship dates back to the Paleolithic Age

From Wikipedia...
The Palaeolithic Age, or Old Stone Age, is a prehistoric era distinguished by the development of the first stone tools, and covers roughly 99% of human history. It extends from the introduction of stone tools by hominids such as Homo habilis about 2.5 million years ago, to the introduction of agriculture and the end of the Pleistocene around 10,000 BC.
Many anthropologists speculate the first "God " or gods of the peoples were feminine. This coincides with ancient creation myths and beliefs that creation was achieved through self-fertilization. Within the concept of creation the participation of the male principle was not known or recognized yet. The Goddess was believed to have created the universe by herself alone. The Romans and later the Christians have done everything possible to stamp out any mention of the Goddess. Why is this, do you think?
Among the first human images discovered are the "Venus figures", nude female carvings having exaggerated sexual parts that date back to the Cro-Magnons of the Upper Paleolithic period between 35,000 BC and 10,000 BC.

Some artistic depictions of the Goddess throughout history
sexygoddessworld.com...

Goddess Worship
www.egregores.org...

I know what you are thinking, but the Goddess existed for thousands of years before any Gods were know of. She didn't just go away.
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The Bible. 50 different Bibles. No wonder there are many denominations each teaching different things, there are many different versions of the Bible. When the Protestants split from the Catholic church, they omitted 7 books from the Bible. Even in the Christian tradition, there are the NIV, NAS, RSV, LB, NLT, and NKJV. A careful student of the New Testament may notice, either through notes in a reference Bible, through using different translations, or by reading commentaries, that there are variations in the Greek text of the New Testament. That is to say, all of the manuscripts do not have the exact same wording at every point. These variants arose during the long period when, the only way to produce a copy of any document was to write it by hand (prior to the invention of the movable-type printing press by Johann Gutenberg in 1452). People are not capable of copying a any lengthy document by hand without making mistakes, as witnessed by the fact that no two of the approximately 5,400 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament that have survived are identical. They all have at least minor variants from all other manuscripts. While Biblical scholars have been aware of transcription errors since the early days of the Church, most laymen have had scant knowledge of their existence.And lest not forget the Discordia Apocalyptica, and the Kabbala. And the "P" document, and the "Q"document.

From the beginning of human civilization Priests and Holy Men have invented pious things. For the priesthood the rewards have been immense: power, prestige and wealth. They have fused with, and become part of, the ruling elite. Today the Vatican is a Nation unto it's own, and one of the richest places on Earth. Every book banned by the Holy Roman Church is said to stored in the Vatican archives.
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The Jesus story - A case of plagiarism
Is the story about Jesus in the Bible just a serious case of plagiarism? Yes if you acknowledge the fact that the story of Horus (Egypt) came first; and that it did. The life of Jesus and his miracles and crucifixion were largely derived from ancient legends of Krishna and Buddha. Some scholars claim that the Bible is very much plagiarized from other sources.

Few Christians among the many are even aware of the true meaning of the word Christ; and those of the clergy who happen to know it (for they are brought up in the idea that to study such subjects is sinful) keep the information secret from their parishioners. They demand blind, implicit faith, and forbid inquiry as the one unpardonable sin, though nothing of that which leads to the knowledge of the truth can be aught else than holy. For what is "Divine Wisdom," or Gnosis, but the essential reality that God is within us all, and not just Christians?

The term Christ is an English derivative of the New Testament Greek word christos, which means "anointed." The equivalent Hebrew word in the Old Testament is mashiach. This term is transliterated in the King James New Testament as messias (John 1:41; 4:25), a word that has come down into modern English, including many Bible versions, as "messiah." Both Christ and Messiah mean "anointed" or "anointed one." In ancient time, all Kings were anointinted with oil, are they too the messiah? Me thinks not. The Greek name "Jesus" is a translation of the Hebrew name Yehoshua or Yeshua, the English form of which is "Joshua." This name literally means God is salvation.The symbol of the “Jesus fish,” (or vesica pisces) is held as the ultimate representation of the Christian faith, with many followers proudly boasting the symbol on everything from bumper stickers to keychains. However, what is now so commonly viewed to represent the meaning of the fish in the New Testament did not always carry such restrictive religious meaning, even for early Christians. Its supposed origins are derived from the Greek emblem ΙΧΘΥΣ, or Ichthys.(the Fish)
en.wikipedia.org...

The Father God named El
www.northernway.org...

Annunaki in the Bible Codes- Genesis 25:32
Also known as Jedi or Nephilim
www.thewatcherfiles.com...

SUMERIAN GODS

Known Members: Tiamat (ancestor), Anu (god of heaven), Apsu (ancestor), Aqhat, Baal (god of storms), Dagon/Enlil/El (god of wind & air), Ea (Enki), Eriskegal/Ereshkigal (goddess of the dead), Inanna/Ishtar (goddess of love & war), Lilith, Marduk (god of judgment & magic), Martu (possibly Demon of the Dunes), Nergal (god of death & pestilence), Ningal (god of metal), Ninhursag (Gaea), Pazuzu, Shamash (Utu), Saja (god of messengers), Tammuz (god of shepherds & fertility), Ullikumis

Affiliations: Moloch, other races of Gods

Aliases: Assyrian Gods, Babylonian Gods, Canaanite Gods, Hittite Gods, Hurrian Gods, Mesopotamian Gods, Philistine Gods, Phoenician Gods, Sumerian Gods

www.marvunapp.com...

Some of these Gods are mentioned in Biblical Texts, surely they were real Gods of the time, what happened to them? Did the God Yahweh kill them all off,or did they just go away?
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Anunnaki

Genesis 6:1-4 reads:

“And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose... There were Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto (had sex with) the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Nephilim is often translated as “Giants”, a legitimate and appropriate interpretation, but one which may be only partly accurate. A better definition might be “those who from Heaven came down”, “those who descended”, or “those who were cast down.” The Anunnaki of Ancient Sumerian texts is similarly defined as “those who from heaven to earth came”. Sitchin, Gardner, and Bramley have all identified the Nephilim as the Anunnaki.

Is God an Alien?
This hypothesis can easily explain all of the events in the Bible and in other ancient religious documents all throughout the world. If it is assumed that it is possible for ETs to travel a number of light years to Earth in the first place, then a number of the stories in the Bible can be explained in terms of extra-terrestrial intervention. (Moses, Ezekiel) We are told in the Bible that the three wise men (Mages) followed a moving star, which led them to the location of baby Jesus. Calculations suggest that maybe this star was really Haley’s Comet, that the comet was in the sky at the time; however, a comet would be difficult to follow. Believers of the “ancient astronaut” theory have suggested that the star could have been a UFO, which the wise men were compelled to follow via telepathic communication with the aliens. This makes perfect sense to me. There is nothing new about aliens / UFO since the beginning of human-race . We knew them , live among them , interact with them , since the beginning of mankind on earth 7.000 years ago.
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Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible
Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
freethought.mbdojo.com...

The Exodus Never Happened
thewordofme.wordpress.com...

One possibility is to interpret the Biblical Exodus from Egypt is to set it against the known historical context of the Kingdom of Israel and the fall of Samaria to the Assyrians in 721 BC. In other words, the Exodus could have been modeled on the people of Samaria who were forcibly deported by their Assyrian conquerors. It could have reflected the circumstances, experiences and hopes of these people. Mostly, they needed a leader such as Moses. Moyses (correct spelling) was actually a Sumerian, and a Magi,(Magician)as was Solomon, the so called "Wise King."

The Sword of Moses
www.esotericarchives.com...

The Key of Solomon (Clavicula Salomonis)
www.esotericarchives.com...

The Lesser Key of Solomon
www.sacred-texts.com...

CLASSIFIED LIST OF THE 72 CHIEF SPIRITS OF THE GOETIA, ACCORDING TO RESPECTIVE RANK.
www.sacred-texts.com...

Religions of the world: Information about 40 organized religions and faith groups (Who can be certain which is the right one?)
www.religioustolerance.org...

"Religion: A general term used... to designate all concepts concerning the belief in god(s) and goddess(es) as well as other spiritual beings or transcendental ultimate concerns."
—Penguin Dictionary of Religions (1997).

"Religion: Relation of human beings to God or the gods or to whatever they consider sacred or, in some cases, merely supernatural."
—Britannica Concise Encyclopedia (online, 2006)

"Religion: Human beings' relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine."
—Encyclopædia Britannica (online, 2006)

"Religion: (2) a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; (4) a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith."
—Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (online, 2006)

www.religionfacts.com...

There are actually some 200 gospels, epistles and other books concerning the life of Jesus Christ. Writing such material was a popular literary form, particularly in the 2nd century. The pious fantasies competed with Greek romantic fiction. Political considerations in the late 2nd century led to the selection of just four approved Gospels, and the complete rejection of the others. After 300 years of arguing, 23 other books were accepted by the Church as divinely inspired. The rest were declared 'pious frauds'. In truth, the whole lot belongs to a genre of literary FICTION.
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Where Did Mary Magdalene Die?
Legend has it that in the year 42, a little boat landed in Les Saintes-Marie-de-la-Mer, France. They had no oars, having been caught in a storm. Both Marys were in the boat as well as friends (including Lazarus the healed leper and St. Maximin) and a young girl named "Sarah" who was very dark. According to legend, Mary Magdalele had been pregnant by Jesus and first ran to Egypt with those closest to her. Then they crossed to France to find a safer place to live. Of course the village didn't have that name at the time, the name came later because of the boat landing)

Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer
en.wikipedia.org...

Was Jesus Married to Mary Magdalene?

Here's a quote from the Gospel of Philip -

And the companion of [the Savior is] Mary Magdalene. The [Savior] loved her more than all his disciples, and frequently kissed her on the [mouth]. The rest of [the disciples] [got close to her to ask]. They told him: "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior responded and said: "Why do I not love you as I love her?" (Gospel of Philip 63-64).

I have to say yes, they were husband and wife, for many reasons. In those days, a man alone in the company of only other men would surely be stones as a homosexual. Jesus is said to have kissed Mary on the mouth many time, his men were plainly jealous of her. When Jesus turned water to wine at the wedding feast, whose wedding was he at? surely his own, the groom had to furnish the wine, after all.

Did Jesus die? Some say Jesus was taken from the cross before death, that the famous "sponge" was soaked in something that made him appear dead. Some say he was taken from the tomb by the Jewish Underground and hidden, to add to the legend of a risen Christ, right in the face of the ruling Romans.

Jesus tomb found, says film-maker
news.bbc.co.uk...

Jesus Found Dead in His Grave
urbansemiotic.com...

Jesus tomb found?!
exchristian.net...

Titanic director finds Jesus' grave
ibnlive.in.com...

The above post is not meant to criticize Christians, but to make them investigate their faith, to look beyond their famous "Book," and look at other, much older sources, some of which one can clearly see where the Bible stories came from. Ever read the Epic of Gilgamesh?
www.ancienttexts.org...

The Epic of Gilgamesh is, perhaps, the oldest written story on Earth. It comes to us from Ancient Sumeria, and was originally written on 12 clay tablets in cunieform script. It is about the adventures of the historical King of Uruk (somewhere between 2750 and 2500 BCE).

You see, I was raised as a Christian, baptised and everything, But, I am a thinking man, (I have thoughts) and question everything, and never take anything at face value. There came a time when I had a few questions for the good minister, who told me to "go home and read your Bible, son, all answers are in there." guess he didn't expect that I would do just that, and when I returned, I had over 100 questions, none of which he could answer forthwith. I was severely warned not to "study the occult teachings," which made me very curious, so i studied them all, everything I could get my hands on, and I know now why I was told not to study Occult things, I found a way to the Divine without the Church, without the preacher, and without giving over any money!

I went for may years not even thinking of religion, never needed any. Then I got hurt, and figured perhaps I needed a little religion in my life. didn't want to be a Christian, too stale, and too many contradictions, and too many deaths on their hands. So I studied all of them, one after another, and finally came to Wicca, which fit me like a glove. I didn't have to change my ways, or change anything, really, I was already like what was described as a Wiccan. When i cast my first magick circle, I could feel the presence of the Divine Feminine, and she has been with me ever since. She is love abounding, and springs eternal. I do go about casting spells, (I have before though) and I do not worship Satan, or the Devil, and i don't have sex with any devils or demons, and I don't belong to any coven, or cult, for Christianity and Islam are the biggest cults of all. Look the word up if you doubt me on this.

I hope this post has helped someone to find their was to freedom from the church and their dogma and stale lip service to a false god with a made up name and a fake face.
The real Jesus, if such a man ever existed, was black, with coal black kinky hair, and looked like any other middle Eastern man of today, not like the nice looking, brown haired and beard man in the picture in every Christian home.

I have no religious beliefs, I have ideas instead. Beliefs can never be changed, they are set in stone, speaking as a metaphor, beliefs are Static while Ideas are dynamic

Blessings be with all, and may all of the different religions come together in Peace and understanding, so we can together put an end to all of these wars and fighting.
Remember, freedom of religion means all religions, not just the one.
Thanks for listening. Peace be with you all.

note auto completely ignored my evidence? that's cause it's even older than gilgamesh gilgamesh was post flood, late akkadian.

may all of the different religions come together in Peace and understanding

translation: except christianity, which auto says is fake.
and judaism, which auto think is a rip off of everyone else.

it couldn't possibly be that these people LIVED there and experienced the events mentioned, first hand? how can you rip off your own experiences?

what the freak man? semites lived in mesopotamia! what the sam hill. .....

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here's what i think happened. for a few hundred years, it was thought that the biblical text had no support because it had been supposedly proven that the ancient greeks couldn't write (see frederick wolf's higher criticism text on the subject of the validity of greek records -- he thought they couldn't write when their texts were said to be written. he was wrong. took 40 years to figure that out and by then, it was too late). this was before the advent of archaeology and following the dark ages, when all data was filtered threw rome and its university professors, who were all catholic priests. thus began the enlightenment, where most of the ancient world was hurled into the historical trash heap in order to prove the papal interpretation of history was the most accurate account. backfired on them big time.

anyway, some 7 thousands years after its burial by the black sea flood, the ancient sumerian civilization was discovered. tons of historical texts, written in cuneiform, supporting the biblical account were found. so what do the naysayers do? since they can't say it doesn't have support in the surrounding culture anymore, they just claim it was ripped off, completely ignoring the fact the people who wrote the biblical texts were from mesopotamia in the first place

that's like saying a guy who served in an american war, writing his info down in a magazine article, which is distributed by api across their networks to other nations, and 5000 years later, when an old magazine article with the info in it is found, it's assumed the american guy stole his data from other american guys who wore orange polka dotted shirts instead of orange striped shirts, and wrote about their experiences in the same war, too.

it. makes. no. sense.




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Originally posted by Selahobed
reply to post by dragonsmusic

 

BULL!!! GWB is about as christian as satan is, which is probably who gave him the order.. A TRUE christian would shed his/her own blood before spilling anyone elses.. WE are here to love and NOT judge, to forgive and not hate.. And those slandering G-d, using His Name to justify war, in fact to justify anything, are going to pay!!!

The Irony in your above quote is priceless!

BULL!!! GWB is about as christian as satan is

and

We are here to love NOT judge.

Hello Pot calling Kettle! You, nor I, nor anyone other than God Himself has the power to judge. God knows our heart not man.

reply to post by undo


Yes, and the real reason for killing female children is money, plain and simple. A male child will grow up to support the family, while a female child will grow to be a woman, and the family must then come up with a suitable dowry that will satisfy a suitor, or else the family is stuck with supporting her. It all about the money.

In the end it is a social battle to keeping these ancient stories and exposing the end of time events, the fight is between good and evil, oppressors of this knowledge against those who pass it as myth, to save ones soul and overcome death against those who want you to remain dead.
The English speaking atheist world might have less trouble these days dealing with Christian opinions and points of views but try that with Pagans, Muslims and secret societies and you will only inherit a hellish society, their powers will overcome your atheist views and you won't know how to deal with their rising oppressive powers, the circle of deception will be too much for you, Muslims and Pagans will spread out and eat away your freedoms as you sit and watch because you are having so much fun down the pub, their own laws and intimidations will cause you to be screened at airports, you may well need special ID cards as the governments do nothing about the influx of over immigration, with one law for them and one law for you but all under one eye and Orwellian society.

Without the Christians you will be in a hellish society, Christians are the only ones fighting back the hell fire while atheists try and play diplomats to those who have no care for your liberties or have double standards. Democracy without a Christian core will only last one more decade here in Europe, the next phase is civil war and riots and insults to your own heritage, those who forsake the message of Christ will have to bare the cross and those who uphold his message will try and preserve the atheist lifestyle without thanks. It is like a virus and cure situation, either the social balance is right or you will be in the third world sometime soon, your health will be in decline as well the abortions and marital failures while other cultures outbreed you and demand their own laws and cures for your ills and say their God was the right solution over your athiest social disorders, even Gordon Brown has a Muslim adviser even though his dad is a bishop, guess he does not listen to his dad much either.

I guess the only way for people to wake up is when the Sh--t hits the fan and maybe that is the plan to get people to find the need of God, the Bible speaks about this all the time, every time the Jews went on to worship Baal and other Gods their enemies would attack them until God showed a few how to counteract this mess, sometimes one person could turn it all around, sometimes people were outnumbered but in the end once they came back to God the problem was solved again and it will go round is circles it happened 1939 and I guess the next big event might be coming up again as this generation forgets what we learned from the past.

Will Christians be the next to go down the concentration camp route and be marked on their right hands and foreheads?


[edit on 31-1-2010 by The time lord]

More than 100 Christians have been killed in Jos, Nigeria, since Jan. 17, when violent riots broke out between the Christian and Muslim communities, according to VOM contacts.

The Voice of the Martyrs contacts reported that the violence was triggered by a Muslim attack on St. Michael’s Catholic Church in Nasarawa Gwong, in the Jos North Local Government Area. “It appears to the Christians here that elements inside the Nigerian Muslim community actually prepare for events like this and then look for an incident which they can then escalate into a crisis. The intent is to drive Christians out of this area down to the south,” VOM contacts reported.

Church leaders said Muslim youths also attacked buildings belonging to the Christ Apostolic Church, Assemblies of God Church, three branches of the Church of Christ in Nigeria and the Evangelical Church of West Africa. On Jan. 18, authorities imposed a curfew, and the city is under the close control of Nigerian troops.

Seems like even in your own country you can not worship any more, stupid complaints and laws are being made not out of consideration but out of spite, I don't see the Chinese or Hindus behaving like this and yet these extra pressures on one's culture and heritage is being silenced. If there ever was a facist conspiracy it is not the NWO you were thinking about.

Newest attack on Christianity: Just shut up!

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A Christian legal organization in the United Kingdom is reporting a skirmish victory in the latest war against Christians and their churches – the demand that they essentially be silent in their worship.
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The Lambeth Council previously had issued a noise abatement notice to the All Nations Centre in Kennington which prevented the church from using any amplification for its worship music and its pastor's preaching.
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The legal organization said another church, Immanuel House of Worship in London, also has been "silenced" by the government because the sound of its worship drew a complaint from a single Muslim neighbor.
That's despite the fact the neighbor is living in what used to be a church house adjacent to the church itself.
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Ade Ajike, a church trustee, reported that after a visit from a government environmental health officer, the officer warned, "the church had to keep the noise down so as not to offend the Muslims living in the area."

"He told us 'this is a Muslim borough, you have to tread carefully,'" Ajike reported about the 2009 dispute.

The church has since reduced its Sunday worship from four hours to two hours and 30 minutes, of which music is played for only about 45 minutes. Midweek services were changed so that no music was used, and Sunday evening services were reduced to one a month.

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reply to post by The time lord

Without the Christians you will be in a hellish society,

What a totally arrogant and BS remark, xtianity has had over 1000 years of running the show and did what exactly ? Bring peace ? Yeah right .

The xtian fear mongering of waving the flag of islam is becoming very tiresome and I personally look froward to the xtian white flag being waved.

The world got on with things before xtianity and will get on fine without it, simply because xtianity has nothing to offer .

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reply to post by The time lord

Without the Christians you will be in a hellish society, Christians are the only ones fighting back the hell fire while atheists try and play diplomats to those who have no care for your liberties or have double standards.

So you're saying that only Christians are capable of running the show?
Christians are not being persecuted, the world is just saying, "You had your shot, and you blew it." Over a 1000 years of squashing science, influencing politics, law, and economy based on a bunch of mythology that breeds fear and prejudice. Fighting back the hell fire? What kind of talk is that? What does it mean? Why should the world be afraid of something only Christians believe exists? Because you say so (this is the status quo)?

Democracy without a Christian core will only last one more decade here in Europe, the next phase is civil war and riots and insults to your own heritage, those who forsake the message of Christ will have to bare the cross and those who uphold his message will try and preserve the atheist lifestyle without thanks.

Democracy is the will of the people. The will of the people is that the Christians stop messing with their lives and influencing the law based on mythology. Christianity does not have exclusivity on order, civility, and values. The values may be different, but they are the will of the people and based on their values, not the values from an old book about tribes in a desert. It's not relevant anymore. If your argument is that its core values are still relevant, it's because these values are inherent to people not just to Christians. Your belief system cannot infringe on the will of others. "Those who forsake the message of Christ will have to bare the cross"? Again with the nonsense-speak. Nobody speaks like that anymore. That's part of what I'm saying. We don't need that kind of talk in our lives.

It is like a virus and cure situation, either the social balance is right or you will be in the third world sometime soon, your health will be in decline as well the abortions and marital failures while other cultures outbreed you and demand their own laws and cures for your ills and say their God was the right solution over your athiest social disorders

No it isn't. Again you are saying that people are incapable of making the right decisions unless they are Christian. This is complete rubbish. I am not a Christian, but I certainly have values and I am capable of making a decision. That my decisions include not spending time believing fairytales doesn't preclude my ability to live a good life. Am I going to the fiery depths of Hell? No. Because I don't believe in it. Hell is your problem (as it is part of your belief system).

even Gordon Brown has a Muslim adviser even though his dad is a bishop, guess he does not listen to his dad much either

The Muslim population of Britain is quite large. Remember how I said that democracy is the will of the people? Well, to listen to this large percentage of the population sounds like sound democratic politics. Ignoring them because you think your invisible sky person is better than theirs is just infantile. Perhaps Mr. Brown listens to his father, and his father is telling him to embrace the diversity of the land rather than condemn it. That sounds quite 'Christian' to me.

I'm sorry, I don't know you personally and I am sure you're a really nice person, but your post was arrogant, racist, and without any merit.
Christianity is a faith, and that's where it should stay. It's no longer a viable option for running the world (not that it ever was). If it were, we should all be living is some utopian paradise by now. Oh, right.....that's the reward when we die, right? Can I see the pictures please? Or am I to join a club that won't let me look around the facilities first?

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WHO HAD THEIR CHANCE? You act as if when a person becomes a christian, they suddenly are equivalent of every tom, dick and harry in the history of the planet who called themselves christians! BELIEVE IT OR NOT, my name isn't tom dick or harry! i'm not a pope! In fact, i've never killed anyone in my freakin' life! in fact, there are millions of christians who never have killed anyone, nor do they have money or power! Quit pushing this BS, it's total BS! BS freakin flippin BS, that what the guys in power do is the equivalent to what the rest of the planet does when they get up in the morning!

HOLEY RUSTED METAL BATMAN!

i'm getting angry! this is not good! i don't want to pull out the heavy artillery, because i have a huge stockpile of finger pointing BS that i could use at my disposal but WHY WOULD I BLAME YOU FOR STUFF YOU NEVER DID BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK IS OR ISN 'T GONNA HAPPEN WHEN YA DIE?!! I ask you, how reasonable is THAT?