Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Apparently this occurred at 0800 Dec 9th, so the sun was rising, not setting as it might appear from the sequence of photos shown far (at least, I thought it did anyway).

Here is a rather neat photo montage of the events, in apparently chronological order.

If you don't think of it flying *away* out of the mountains, but rather think of it as an arc from over the horizon coming TOWARDS you, it looks more like a failed missile launch.

Apparently though the Russians deny launching anything, and Norway deny receiving any warning of a launch, which is apparently required under international treaties.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by mirageofdeceit]

Thank you for posting this. You've actually proved to us that it is not a missile going into a spiral spin at the end, nor fuel or other things spewing from it, though it could have been delivered by a missile, and then the patterns superimposed by a haarp like device. Here is what you have shown us.

1. No missile can malfunction and then turn such tight circles as to go out into a spiral spin and maintain it so that the rocket exhaust trail is all kept within the same plane, and where the banding between spirals is nearly perfect for each concentric circle.

2. You show that for the spiral to have been made of chemicals being spewed by the missile, it would have had to have stopped in its tracks, then begin the spinning, so to keep the hazy material in the same plane. As far as I know, we don't have anti-gravity missiles that can sit in the atmosphere and just spin away like a lawn sprinkler.

3. As the day progresses, the spiral remains more intact and less dispersed than the blue missile exhaust behind it, if it missile exhaust. Why would one type of gas be disturbed by the wind, while the other remains nearly untouched?

I believe you have showed us evidence, physical evidence, that a missile delivered a payload of chemicals and then some kind of electromagnetic machine began to manipulate the gasses. Thank you, mirageofdeceit, this was very helpful.

Originally posted by judgedrewdy
WTF are you guys blind? look at the freakin video! its A WORMHOLE.... cmon its spining clockwise so that means its going out! I wish I knew which way the central spiral was spinning.

WORM
HOLE


seriously.. If I had a IR camera I bet I would see some sort of craft flying through there.


a rocket?! seriouslly? ... explain the video... how could that possibly happen.. oh and not to mention that the spiral arms are there before the hole expands so its not like it was able to explode 2x in the same place... cmon

I'm completely befuddled by some of you
read more slowly or something IDK
Watch the video above your post
An IR camera would be cool for this but I doubt one will pop up.
The spiral arms were a . . . Just watch the video
Picture it doing barrel rolls higher and higher into the atmosphere

reply to post by Phage


"some sort of fuel?"

that's an interesting explanation, but to cover that much area that would have to be some ridiculous volume of fuel.

reply to post by '___'omino


I'm befuddled by people who desperately want nothing interesting to happen.

reply to post by CSquared288

Who the hell said it wasn't interesting.
I sure wish I could have seen it.

Originally posted by CSquared288
reply to post by '___'omino

 

I'm befuddled by people who desperately want nothing interesting to happen.

Its not about what you want

Its about what the evidence points to (logic)

It seems pretty darn amazing to me. Sure filled up a pretty big thread about it and it sure was spectacular to look at.

Always wanting more, more more more more more

[edit on 9-12-2009 by '___'omino]

There is a quick and easy way to eliminate all speculation around this.

NATO uses what is called electro optical measurement and signals intelligence. This includes detecting the infrared signatures of ballistic missile launches. This type of data is recorded and catalogued.

I present to you two things:

The Satellite Early Warning System, these are satellites that detect infrared emissions. They are so sensitive they were even used to detect low level emissions from SCUD launches in the 1st gulf war.

There are 23 of these satellites that watch the entire earth for ballistic missile launches.

The second is the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System.

This is a network of ground based radars with coverage over western Europe, northern Russia, and all of North America.

Two stations have overlapping areas of responsibility that cover all of Scandinavia. These are in Thule AFB, Iceland and RAF Flyingdales, UK.

All of this data is sent to Cheyenne Mountain and a few other US Air Force bases.

I absolutely guarantee without a doubt that if there was a Russian SLBM launch that the satellites picked up the infrared signature and the radar stations tracked its flight.

If NATO doesn't have this data then it was no SLBM period.

I am going to wait a few days to see if the US Air Force or NATO comes forward with any data. Until then everything is theories and speculation.

reply to post by CSquared288

Not a ridiculous amount, just widely distributed.

Any idea what CERN was up to at that time?

Did it finally generate a black hole?

TY Jim for solving this. Nice to see MSM reporting on it instead of ignoring it.

Ok, I'm sorry if anyone has asked this stuff before now, but after 20 pages I thought I'd just skip ahead before my facial hair growth got too out of control...

I'm inclined to believe it is indeed a Russian rocket test, but what exactly were they testing?

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1 - Takeoff achieved, everything going okay...

2 - Something goes wrong somewhere about here...

3 - Rocket starts spiraling out of control

4 - Outer edge of spiral cloud

It's #3 & #4 that interests me. Why does the rocket spiral (blue cloud) get wider then tighten up towards the middle of the large spiral? And if the rocket malfunctioned after takeoff, why does the outer edge of the large spiral seem to lead back to where the point of launch appears to be?

And what fuel were they using that could maintain the intensity of the spiral at such a distance from the rocket? (I know that some of the pics are taken with a long exposure, but I don't know if that is a satisfactory explanation for the density of the spiral shape).

Maybe it's obvious and I'm missing it. Entirely possible, as I really need to sleep...





[edit on 9/12/09 by sotp]

reply to post by Phage


yea it definitely would be cool, but is that as far as your imagination extends? regardless of whether or not you believe something supernatural could happen, wouldn't you want it to? i think life would be vastly more exciting without all the mundanity.

Short of witnessing an exact duplicate event resulting in the exact same effect, OR the bugeyes coming back to find their keys to the front door, we'll never have a - completely - accepted answer.

One thing though, nature can be the best photoshop ever.

I have no idea what it is, despite the evidence for the more plausible given in this saga.

Hope there's another one though, to really give us a kick in the pants!!

(edit to broaden the scope)

[edit on 9/12/2009 by Ha`la`tha]

reply to post by CSquared288

I get pretty excited seeing and learning anything new. Even if it's just boring old science 'n stuff.


[edit on 12/9/2009 by Phage]

reply to post by '___'omino


you seem pretty certain of that.

reply to post by Phage


true that

nice talking to you, my friend.

reply to post by Phage


Phage, I see the rocket debate, but there are some things that need clarity, at least for me. Ok- we're talking about a 3-stage rocket. That's three stages of different behaviour, color. Lets not assume this "test" was a fail or a victory. Would a 3-stage rocket asume it's first stage as erratic and out of control, then dissapear for a minute (the dead space between the yellow and blue) the go straight in stage 2, (the blue vapor trail) then complete a near-perfect spiral in it's third stage before fizzling out?? I'm not saying the rocket theory is out, but do we/you or (anyone?) have a clear example of these 3 distinct stages on record? So far, I'm inclined to believe that *if* this is a rocket, then it's a highly sophisticated one, and one that perhaps is under tight denial because of it's highly advanced nature. It's like trying to explain the stealth bomber in 1977. OR, maybe we are just witnessing something that cannot be explained.


[edit on 10-12-2009 by Wookiep]

reply to post by Phage


That doesn't explain the energy signature though... Smoke from a misguided rocket doesn't "glow".

What kind of smoke was that? Luminecient smoke trail?

My conclusion is energy signature...

I could be totally wrong, but this doesn't match up with the physics i've come to understand.

Too damn bad we don't have better observational and detecting equipment...
If we could some how have "scanned" this phenomenon then we'd know exactly what this was, and not have to jump to wild ideas...

If Rockets could make this, it would be on the internet, and we wouldn't have 60 some odd pages of members saying basically wtf?

True story: 1995 I had an experience that has forever changed me. I'm going to make this as quick as possible: I was born sterile. At 22 years old in 95, I had an episode which, at the time, was thought to be a mental breakdown. I left my house one night because the radio began to talk directly to me at 12 AM. I ran a kilometer or so out of the town, and I looked in the sky and i could see these spirals, I considered them to be more of pinwheels. It scared me so bad, I closed my eyes and continued to run. Running with your eyes closed, not so fun. I ran into a ditch and into a telephone pole. When I hit the pole, I heard my grandmothers voice(She had passed in '84) She told me to hang onto that post for dear life. I did, and a motorist called 911 after asking if I was ok. When the ambulance showed up, I fought them at first, then gave up and let them take me. They took me to the Hospital, where I was taken in to a room that I could describe as an operating room. The Nurse taht was helping the Doctor was my Grandmother! Yes, the one who had died. I said to her"Nana?" She just said "Shhh" and smiled. The Doctor suddenly ripped away my Jeans(Like rip, not cut) but with no real effort. The next thing I knew, I could feel his hands in my pelvis area(Lol! This sounds freakin crazy) but inside, moving the "parts" around. Later, on my admitting sheets, they had admitted me at 5:40 am. 5 and a half hours after I had left my house! I am sure I was abducted by whatever came through these pinwheels, and the aliens(who were with my grandma) fixed me up, because I now have a healthy, happy 1.5 year old baby daughter who looks just like me.

Nobody seems to be mentioning that witnesses have described this as a "sphere" and a "glowing ball" and not flat. This also explains why the spiral appears to be directly facing the camera in every photo.

I don't think a rocket can account for a spherical spiral?