Spectacular Phenomena In The Sky. What Is It?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Wookiep

 

Go here:
www.altaposten.no...

Look at #1, #7, and #8 for a better sense of perspective.

Yeah I don't deny that they are in the same frame.. The thing that is weird to me tho is that for example in this pic:

www.altaposten.no...

Theres nothing between the blue "gas" (or whatever) and the yellow streak (erratic missle). The missle streak seems to just kinda stop.. then all of a sudden we pan over to see this completely different event taking place overhead.

yikes double post....sorry, not sure how that happend.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by Wookiep]

I've seen enough episodes of Star Trek to recognize a wormhole when I see one, lol.

reply to post by Phage

Please notice the forum in which this is posted; "Fragile Earth".
Please notice the heading under which "Fragile Earth" is listed: "Science Topics".

Yeah...because there doesn't exist any conspiracies which involve science...it's still a conspiracy forum...and I'm not saying there isn't a scientific explanation for this...there's a scientific explanation for everything...I just don't think it's as simple as a failed rocket launch...I have a feeling it's a little more complex than that...

There is no doubt, what we are seeing in every video is a rocket/missile that went out of control... No doubt... HOWEVER!!! That rocket/missile was not detonated, the bomb was and it was one big ass explosion! Has anyone actually sat down and figured out the dimensions of that explosion yet? Its possible the Russians have one hell of an awesome non-nuclear, yet extremely powerful new weapon. The fact that it was caught on tape and exploded for the whole world to witness, cannot make them happy. The amount of knowledge gained by the west regarding this weapon type if invaluable... If someone figures out the dimensions of that explosion we can actually start to piece together what it was that exploded...

The good news is... I believe I can sleep soundly at night knowing dem ruskie subs aint sneak attacking my country anytime soon...




Or... maybe... if you stare into that spiral long enough you might actually start believing in old evil Communist/Socialist dogma... Hmm... I mean it just happened to exploded near Demark during the Global Hoax I mean Global Climate Change Conferrence? People say they didn't here any sounds because it was all subblimal... that must be it... Oh my god look at that thing in the sky... "Climate gate is not real, Climate Gate is not real... Little Countries won't suffer, little countries won't suffer..."

Now that is a conspricy I can believe in. Well that conspricy is a heck of a lot better then Jesus, Aliens, or Wormholes have exploded onto the Earth...


--Charles Marcello

I read have read up to page 23 so far. Right now the debate is rocket vs HAARP.

there is a picture with smoke that suggests a rocket:
files.abovetopsecret.com...

And evidence of a rocket being fired:

Source: Barents Observer


"
Researcher at the Tromsø Geophysical Observatory Truls Lynne Hansen is certain that the light was caused by a missile launch:

- The missile has probably come out of control and exploded. The peculiar spiral shaped light pattern comes from reflection of the sin in the leaking fuel, he said to Aftenposten. Spokesman in the Norwegian Defense Jon Espen Lien says that the Norwegian Defense does not know for sure what the light was, but that it probably was a Russian missile:

- It is quite normal that Russia uses the White Sea and the Barents Sea as testing grounds for weapons.

According to NRK, Arkhangelsk Radio sent out an advance warning about several missile launches from the White Sea in the period December 7-10.The warning included launches on the night to Wednesday. An anonymous source in the Northern Fleet told Norwegian news paper VG that they had no information about the incident. Press Attaché at Russia’s Embassy in Oslo Vladimir Isupov did neither have any that could explain the light phenomenon over Northern Norway.

On the morning of November 1, another strange light phenomenon was visible in the sky from large areas of the northern parts of Norway. This incident also caused commotion and many creative explanations to the light were given on different discussion boards. The light was caused by a launch of a Sineva missile from the nuclear submarine “Bryansk” in White Sea, as reported by BarentsObserver. According to a warning about rocket launching in the White Sea, navigation is prohibited in the southern parts of the sea until December 15.
"


But why can't it be both. Both HAARP and Starwars have been linked to pattents of tesla's "death ray." If they are they same thing and HAARP is also capable of a directed energy blast it could have been tested on a rocket that was scheduled to be fired. The smoke in the picture is from the first stage of the rocket. The blue light is arora borealis and theare around it is ionized by the blast, leaving the center black when it was turned off.
As por the spiral effect, someone posted a broadcasting technique that "spirals" the signal and could potentialy cause charged ions to move in a spiral pattern.
just some thoughts

[edit on 9-12-2009 by EaterofSound]

reply to post by Phage


Ey Phage, you ever gonna get rid of that avatar? Bugs man, bugs.

Anyways, I've reviewed the just of the 60+ pages....


Missile launch definitely sounds most plausible..... How ever the pebble in the water effect, is a bit far'fetchd for me.

Those emanating black rings aren't natural.

reply to post by Wookiep

The missile was a three stage rocket. The first two stages were solid fuel rockets and the third was a liquid fuel rocket. That would account for the different appearance.

As to the gap between the two? I don't know. A "coast mode"? Or perhaps the exhaust from the liquid stage wasn't visible until the missile reached a high enough altitude and it became ionized and produced the blue glow.

reply to post by Phage


I guess my question Phage, is would the vapor trail of an erratic missle just stop? What would cause that blank "space" between the "missle" and the "blue gas"?

Edit: noticed your post. At least you don't know something! lol. But you give good explanations otherwise.

[edit on 9-12-2009 by Wookiep]

Originally posted by InTrueFiction
It reminds me of this one in 2006:

Spiral UFO in Russia- video

Which was later found to be a rocket as well - apparently if I remember correctly the rocket had three main engines. It lost guidance and started to spiral. (trying to find the news source on it)

the video of the russian rocket is a large three jet behemouth and didn't match the size of the one in norway. if the norway anomaly is in fact a failed rocket, it must have been huge!

anyone know if the large hadron particle accelerator was running that night? if so, maybe we saw a large scale experiment. just a thought.

this is a wonderful thread.

thanks for the post.

-subfab

Originally posted by Wookiep
reply to post by Phage

 

I guess my question Phage, is would the vapor trail of an erratic missle just stop? What would cause that blank "space" between the "missle" and the "blue gas"?

So the missile is high in the atmosphere
and its spinning around because its not working exactly right (yes in a circle with little gravity)

and as it spins it runs out of fuel
and it expands out in space
like a sort of whirlpool effect

(Guessing, I'm not phage)

reply to post by Phage


that doesn't explain the perfect spiral; and not of the 'exhaust,' of the one that emanated from the fore.

reply to post by EaterofSound

HAARP is not a directed energy weapon. It is a radar installation which also has an ionospheric heater which uses HF, VLF, and ELF radio frequencies.

EISCAT, located in Norway has a heater which uses HF radio frequencies and has 1/3 the power of HAARP.

Neither can produce a "death ray".

Thursday morning Moscow papers are reporting on the Norway photos/videos and the speculation it's a failed Bulava launch, but so far no comment from the Defense Ministry. Only one TV channel, RenTV, has mentioned it -- a good indicator that the other state-owned broadcasters recognize the probability (or have received orders) that silence is best for potential military accidents.

Alan Boyle at MSNBC has a commentary on it:
cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...
Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:56 PM by Alan Boyle

Kommersant's ace aerospace reporter Ivan Konovalov reports in Thursday's paper ["НЛО повторил падение "Булавы"]
www.kommersant.ru...
that an MoD source says the failure was in the third stage.

My interview is here:
Rachel Maddow show, Dec 9, 2009-12-09 (5:07 segment)
Dramatic spiral UFO explained
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Originally posted by CSquared288
reply to post by Phage

 

that doesn't explain the perfect spiral; and not of the 'exhaust,' of the one that emanated from the fore.

How doesn't it?
. . .

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a wonderful christmas gang (cheesy)

[edit on 9-12-2009 by '___'omino]

hmm... this is an interesting video... I'm a video graphics effects person, and this looks really interesting.

It behaves realistically spiral and expanding outward, then disapating.

This looks genuine, not faked. The reasons are the altitude in the sky, and proximity to the ground.

If it is faked someone has some video editing skills...

I hate to say it, because I'm a skeptic, but this appears to be somthing either entering our world, or exiting it...

This appears to be some kind of energy signature, or radiation wake. You see the same effects from a Rail Gun or a Rifled Bullet if you examined the air the projectiles were travelling through...

If this isn't some sort of hoax, then damnit this is something here that needs to be explained...

After watching the video a few times, i can't really dismiss it as something explainable, even the graininess of the video is correct, the facts that the video is being shot at night in low light seem even corrrect after having lots of experience with nighttime video camerea recordings... The Camera will have grainy video due to the lens having trouble picking up light particles. You'd get the same effect if you record video from your webcam in a dark room...

Oh and the missile spiral theory, I'm not sure that would be the case with this. I've seen lots of missile failures, and most of them spiral but not with perfect concentric spirials, they tend to be very erratic, and at least a few times in the failed flight straighten out a bit. Also I'd think even at night you'd see a smoke trail plume from the launch site to the event destination. If you watch nightime shuttle launches you see smoke even at night.
Also the video would show something taking off from the ground and leading up to the altitude of the event.

We'll have to see what the Russians statement is.
It's plausible that they WOULD want to deny test firing missiles, because who wants to hear that they are messing around with weapons again... heh





[edit on 12/9/2009 by Brainiac]

reply to post by CSquared288

Maybe this will help.

WTF are you guys blind? look at the freakin video! its A WORMHOLE.... cmon its spining clockwise so that means its going out! I wish I knew which way the central spiral was spinning.

WORM
HOLE


seriously.. If I had a IR camera I bet I would see some sort of craft flying through there.


a rocket?! seriouslly? ... explain the video... how could that possibly happen.. oh and not to mention that the spiral arms are there before the hole expands so its not like it was able to explode 2x in the same place... cmon

reply to post by '___'omino


i'm sorry maybe i misunderstood. what caused the spiral in the op?